Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And Waiting For A Western Attack Read more: h

Originally posted by bjarneorn
Again western media, play a Russian card (commie card) to gather people into wanting war. The FEAR GAME.

The Russian defence minister is absolutely correct, in his assumptions that an attack on Iran, is a threat to Russia. He is correct, on ALL accounts.

However, his motives are not to *attack* the US, nor Israel. Although, and this is just to inform you people about reality ... the longer you allow US and Israel to play this game, the closer you get to people deciding you need to lose. This logic, should be evident, even to a child.

If the US attacks Iran, there will be movement of Iranian people to the northern border, and they will seek refuge in the Russian republic, and possibly causing Russian intervention, with guerilla forces trying to work out of Russia.. The movement Russia is making, is for the purpose of "closing" this gap.

What is wrong with you guys, don't you have a brain of your own? Can't you even see the obvious???

IF either Russia or China, EVER wanted the US or Israel dead ... the US and Israel ... would BE dead, plain and simple. Russia and China, are their "non-de-facto" allies ... after all, it's the US that GAVE these guys their military capability ... and whatever else, is wishful thinking, and not reality. And just to give this logic, a FINAL kick into your mentality. What is the US doing in Afghanistan, if not "fulfilling" what Russia failed to do in the 80's?

Has it ever OCCURRED to you, that these guys do NOT disagree on dividing the world among them ... but only in HOW to accomplish it?

Has it EVER occurred to you, that ALL of these nations, use the 5 star devil worshippers star, in their flags? (except for Israel, that uses the 6 star)

edit on 10/4/2012 by bjarneorn because: (no reason given)

You are absolutely correct on all counts. It really all depends on what the guys at the very top of the food chain (pyramid) decide. You are evidently well aware of how they misuse the Hegelian Dialectic, which is ingenius in itself.

Little do they realize they are serving a Divine purpose in the evolution of humanity. There can be no progress without evil, and they supply the evil abundantly.

reply to post by bjarneorn


We certainly are not sharing the brain you brought to the table, if that's what you mean. That would make for a pretty boring debate.

I wouldn't assume that Russia would protect Iran for the sake of Iran, but I see no indication that they've been aggressively seeking a foothold there, either. The US should not attack Iran for the same reason that neither the US nor Russia should invade Canada. It's just a little too close to disrupting distance.

Russia doesn't even need to have territorial ambitions, but threatening to invade a country to put Russia in check is like an invitation for Russia to expand, and fortify.

Much like the US policy for ostracizing countries devloping nuclear power is an invitation to covertly get the bomb as quickly as possible. Once you have it, they don't seem to stick their noses in as much.

You dont gear up for war for a good part of a century and just walk away from it. It was more like a matter of When then If. Just hope it goes quick and fast like war should be and not a prolonged suffering. Besides they could just be setting up to make a territory grab if we did go to war with Iran. Just like in WW2

Get ready for the draft boys, I didnt plan on living forever!

Just because America is no upstanding citizen, so to speak, in international affairs does not mean that Russia is. Russia is not some knight in shining armor coming to defend Iran from the evil globalist dragon; Russia is protecting its own interests, and, trust me, if they had the means to stand in Americas shoes from an imperialist and globalist perspective, they would in a heartbeat.

It's good that Russia is steadfast in its claim to defend Iran, but being dragged into war against Russia AND Iran is not something we're ready for. We haven't had much trouble in Iraq and Afghanistan because after the obliteration of their armies, the war dissolved into Guerrilla tactics; those who are familiar with Guerrilla warfare know that its purpose is not to win by force but by starvation, and it seldom fails. Look at how effective it's been thus far in terms of draining our piggy bank. Regardless, we've been fighting against Guerrilla warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan; as a result, our troops may not be familiar with combat against an actual army like that of Russia's.

Anyways, conflict with Iran is not desirable. I'd rather risk them getting a bomb than risk nuclear war with Russia and the death of the dollar from China. We're not in a very powerful position, we cannot fight this war for Israel. If Israel wants to fight Iran and Russia, let them send their sons and daughters to be slaughtered, not ours.

reply to post by StratosFear


America is getting so desperate for soldiers that they are offering greencards to anyone who joins the military. Even our own citizerny does not want to join the military only to be killed by a goatherder in afghanistan with a 77 cent IED when you could be home on your playstation collecting your welfare check

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


Precisely it will be a real war. Not like on COD MW or something. There will be expert russian air defense commanders sneakiing and popping up in the middle of your air raid smoke your aircraft out of the sky just in time to have a bottle of vodka. There will be heavy armor coming in. There will be sophisticated missles taking out US bases and support groups and logistical supply lines. It comes down to home base advantage. US ships everything from overseas. Kill all the logistics and US troops would die of starvation and disease.

Remember the battle for stalingrad when the Soviet commander held the germans back and then flanked them from the sides with a pincer move, and then from the back and starved them to death.

Originally posted by bjarneorn
IF either Russia or China, EVER wanted the US or Israel dead ... the US and Israel ... would BE dead, plain and simple. Russia and China, are their "non-de-facto" allies ... after all, it's the US that GAVE these guys their military capability ... and whatever else, is wishful thinking, and not reality. And just to give this logic, a FINAL kick into your mentality. What is the US doing in Afghanistan, if not "fulfilling" what Russia failed to do in the 80's?

Has it ever OCCURRED to you, that these guys do NOT disagree on dividing the world among them ... but only in HOW to accomplish it?

Has it EVER occurred to you, that ALL of these nations, use the 5 star devil worshippers star, in their flags? (except for Israel, that uses the 6 star)

edit on 10/4/2012 by bjarneorn because: (no reason given)

This is simply not true. Russia does not have the power to single handed strike and destroy America. It can be argued that they can fend off an American attack, but unless we're talking MAD, America is a nation which is very difficult to invade. They would have to creation an occupation in Canada or Mexico which they could use to easily send resources to their offensive. Sending resources overseas is very expensive and very draining. For this reason, America is very hard to invade unless it is invaded through neighboring territory.

China can end America without setting a foot on our soil through systematic financial collapse. We owe china so much money that if they decide to collect our dollar will collapse and we'll plummet into hyperinflation. This is much more devastating to a country than physical warfare.

Also, the Baphomet star is upside down, not pointed upwards. School children draw stars, are they Devil worshipers? As long as the stars are not upside down, they are not a reference to Baphomet. The reason why the stars around the large star in the Chinese flag have different angles is that they are all pointing to the center, to symbolize that the Chinese people are part of the greater star.

There is no star in Russia's flag.
The stars in the American flag represent the 50 states, the thirteen stars in the old flag represented the thirteen colonies. They don't represent 50 Baphomets.

Seems to me that putting troops on Russia's border in case of a military strike against Iran is a smart move for them. If someone invaded Mexico or Canada, you can bet we would do the same thing. I don't see what the big deal is. It is smart planning.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


Well the world has not yet witnessed modern warfare. The last all-out war we had was really WWII; new technology has not displayed its devastation since. While we could get our asses kicked, Russia and Iran will also suffer massive casualties. The American military industrial complex is not something to be underestimated.

The biggest problem will be resources. It is much easier to defend a country than invade one because of the cost of transporting food, ammunition, gear, and soldiers across the ocean. Russia and Iran will basically be fighting on their own turf, thus the cost of resources will be minimal compared to ours.

Things really are heating up aren't they...I can't remember the last time so many potential flashpoints popped up at the same time.

I'd be interested to know how China is reacting to this situation.

It all just seems so inevitable - almost like it's a hopeless endeavor to even try to avoid war. We don't know when WW3 will happen; all we know is who will be involved...and that the losses will range from tragic to apocalyptic.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
China can end America without setting a foot on our soil through systematic financial collapse. We owe china so much money that if they decide to collect our dollar will collapse and we'll plummet into hyperinflation. This is much more devastating to a country than physical warfare.

This isn't exactly true - a common misconception of how international government debt works...it wouldn't be China coming to 'collect' our dollar - that's not really how it works. China could stop buying our debt (in the form of treasuries), if they think it's no longer a worthwhile investment. However, since we are their number 1 customer (and they may be currently experiencing a 'hard landing'), they have a pretty big incentive to keep buying our debt - so we can keep buying their stuff.

In the unlikely event that they do stop buying it, the slack would most likely be first taken up by foreign investors of other countries - largely because the US dollar is the reserve currency for many of those countries, so they have an incentive to make sure the dollar doesn't 'tank'. Until another currency can come along and supplant the US dollar as the world reserve currency (which would probably require OPEC to disband or kick the US out), it won't happen.

If it gets to the point where China isn't buying our debt anymore, you'd most likely see other countries not buying it as well, as it would represent a global loss of trust in US credit ratings. That is when you'd begin to see hyper-inflation as the Fed begins to monetize massive amounts of US Treasury debt to fill the monetary holes created by the deficit.

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


China owns nothing. So the US owes them 1.1 Trillion. The US also owes Japan 1 trillion. Then the US owes itself about 13 Trillion or so. Who do you think the first Lien on America is being paid to?

reply to post by MrStyx


China owns all our walmarts and iphones and clothes....

reply to post by BiggerPicture


I was called paranoid in a thread yesterday for suggesting that the Martin case was stealing the light away from Israel going into Azerbaijan and noting that the Martin story is just like every other non sense story that gets interrupted by war.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Exactly, this zimmerman story is a distraction to keep the peasants fighting amongst themselves while the leaders set up to go to war to Iran for the benefit of Israel.

an attack on iran can certainly spark world war 3.

especially if n.korea decides to use that time as cover to launch a war of unification.

if an attack on iran will involve russia, an attack by n.korea would bring china into the fold.

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


You got that mixed up you see they make products for the walmarts, they make our iphones and they make are clothes. You know kinda like picking of the cotton, cooking of meals, and tilling of fields what were they called again. Oh yeah slaves. How many of those slaves owned the plantation they worked on or for?

It feels like all the pieces are stacking up and everyone is waiting for that one move that brings the Jenga tower down

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


Hey I tried a few months ago for the Army was going for an AP mechanics for rotary winged aircraft(helos), the same standards are still there. You have to have a HS diploma or a GED with 15 college credits. But installing windows part time beat the hell out of telling someone else what to do intheir own country anyday. Figured we`d have learned that after Vietnam but guess not.

There is one problem with this theory.

In all other major wars, the Bankers financed both sides and built the war up for profit and to further the goals of a small group of incredibly powerful, incredibly wealthy old men. Russia is NOT in the pocket of the Bankers and is directly opposed to the idea of a Central Bank, and the ideology of doing what these men in power (we all know what they are called) are about.

So while Russia DOES have the military power, wealth, and people power to do exactly what is purposed, they don't have the Bankers pulling strings so I simply don't think it will happen.

My two cents.

reply to post by CALGARIAN


i honestly hope we see how serious russia is over this iran situation and leave them alone. something's are worth dying for, i.e. my children and so forth, but the military industrial complex is not on my list. i will NOT die for there blood thirsty cause.