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Originally posted by Maxmars
Originally posted by mee30
reply to post by usmc0311
Can i just ask you something? Did you not know that you were going in and attacking another country that had done nothing to your own? Please I don't want to come across as though I'm attacking you. I just genuinely want to understand why soldiers go to a war most other people know is unjustified and immoral.
Couldn't you have just told them to stick it? Couldn't you of refused?
I do want to commend you for doing the right thing now though and I'm glad you got off the drugs and are feeling better for it.
Please forgive me for interjecting my own personal answer, as I know you meant to ask another member.
Some people don't know, or have never experienced this; other refute it as irrelevant; but their is such a thing as a "warrior culture" and frankly, those who have lived it understand that it is not the serviceman's place to question whether a military deployment is, or is not "just."
This is a powerful generalization, and the more egregious the circumstances, the more likely it is that there will be some form of resistance from within. But disobeying an order to go into an area and securing it; or defending a position and holding it is not something that command 'justifies' to the soldiers themselves.
Sure, you can always tell them no...but those who do so are not only breaking their promise, their word, that they will serve obediently and loyally; they are also endangering all the other comrades in arms who depend on them to do as they are told. Also they are breaking the law. You had best me more than casual about any decision you make to disobey the orders you are given. It's quite a dishonor... and worse still, the media loves to eviscerate such people who - rightly or not - the military tells them are criminally disobedient. This is why the military has it's own judicial system - it is not swayed by public opinion, political theater, or media theatrics - again this is a generalization.
For all rules there are exceptions. But generally speaking, no one is interested if someone within the ranks of the troops objects to their orders.... theirs is to comply... not make policy.
Commissioned officers have it a little better... at least they can resign their commission (quit)... enlisted folks just get to go to jail... or worse.edit on 9-4-2012 by Maxmars because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
Bull crap! When you enlist, you take an oath to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, *then* you swear to obey the President. Going to war without a declaration of war from the Congress is breaking that oath. If the Congress declared war, and then a soldier believed said war to be immoral, your stance would have some logical foundation. As it stands, our President, and all who engage in these illegal, unconstitutional wars of senseless aggression, are domestic enemies of the constitution. They deserve no pity, only enough medication to numb them from the dishonorable atrocities that they commit under the cloak of, "just following orders". The only thing that surprises me about the statistics contained in the OP is that there aren't more troops in need of getting doped up enough to forget about their shame.
The only thing that surprises me about the statistics contained in the OP is that there aren't more troops in need of getting doped up enough to forget about their shame.