Eric Holder: Attorney General of the United States PWNED =)

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posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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A quick Google search revealed the truth.

Voting is not a right but a privilege granted or withheld at the discretion of local and

state governments.

Currently convicted felons cannot vote.

Santorum wants to change that.


Bingo Eurisko... you are correct...

If I may add:

en.wikipedia.org...


The Nineteenth Amendment (Amendment XIX) to the United States Constitution prohibits any United States citizen to be denied the right to vote based on sex.

The Constitution of the United States allows the states to determine the qualifications for voting

So, the 19th Amendment guarantees a legal Citizen of the United States shall not have their right to vote refused on the grounds of discrimination, and that each state shall determine the qualifications of a citizen wishing to exercise their right to vote.

A few of the qualifications determined to meet voter eligibility are, a citizen wishing to vote then is required to have reached at least the age of 21 years, to be a fulltime resident of the voting district, and in some states criminality, known as felony disenfranchisement affects the citizen's right to vote.

Then to complete the function of voting, each citizen must prove themselves to meet the criteria legally set forth by their state of residence, i.e. by identifying themselves.

The arguement that requiring a citizen to identify themselves is a discriminatory act, when this simple and routine requiremnt is required by countless everyday functions, displays itself as unsubstantiated.

Then to me, it is irrelevant whether the video is a portrayal or real as it identifies the need for a legal identification requirement for each US citizen to exercise their right to vote.

In this, to insure each person receives the individual rights conferred by the Constitution each citizen must simply meet the qualificaitons set forth and conferred to each state by the Constitution.

Little to ask for the privlege to vote.







edit on 10-4-2012 by OldCurmudgeon because: Correct grammar...




posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
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No it's not. It's not proof of anything at all.


Sure it is.. unedited video. The poll worker was agreeing to give this guy Eric Holder's ballot. That proves that fraud is easily attainable.

Deny all you want, it doesn't change the video. But that's the liberal way, isn't it? Simply deny what you don't want known to be true.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
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No it's not. It's not proof of anything at all.


Sure it is.. unedited video. The poll worker was agreeing to give this guy Eric Holder's ballot. That proves that fraud is easily attainable.

Deny all you want, it doesn't change the video. But that's the liberal way, isn't it? Simply deny what you don't want known to be true.


Yes, deny there is any voter fraud and then of course SHOOT THE MESSENGER!


Find James O'Keefe and arrest him!!!!


Arrest him? Well, what about all these dead people voting???



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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The reality is if Eric Holder went in to vote he could easily challenge someone else using his identity. The other reality is that every time anyone audits the system, there's no proof of widespread attempts at this sort of voter fraud.

The final reality is that O'Keefe is a POLITICAL OPERATIVE.

He and the people that pay him know that a voter ID law would primarily, overwhelmingly, affect poor people, and minorities. A voter ID law would, in practice, act as yet more right-wing voter suppression.

That's the point of this.

Not protecting anyone. . . well, protecting rich write candidates and their corporate backers.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Are you saying poor people and minorities don't have IDs?

Or that poor people and minorities can't do something as simple as carry an ID them with when they vote?

I wonder what poor people and minorities do when they want to purchase beer and alcohol?

edit on 10-4-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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The other reality is that every time anyone audits the system, there's no proof of widespread attempts at this sort of voter fraud.
I can't say that I would trust the results of a government audit.

Kind of like trusting the GSA to make sure government money is spent appropriately.




posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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James O'Keefe is only effective - and only "got a job" because he's a useful tool from the same people who want to reduce the number of people voting.

O'Keefe has never been accepted in "legitimate" circles as anyone credible.

I really don't know what you want to "win" with corrupt shills. If Republicans get more power via people like O'Keefe -- they won with dirty tricks and lies. That means you get a MORE CORRUPT politician regardless of which party he is hanging out with.

O'Keefe and the hordes of other shills like him, are not talented, nor insightful -- they merely promote the CORRECT messages.

>> It's kind of the same thing as the Pepper Spraying Cop, or the Sheriff in Texas who likes to humiliate prisoners by putting them in Pink. These people aren't arrested, and in fact have good paying jobs -- because they make people angry -- and it sends a message that it's OK.

For instance, there is some Neo Nazi group now "patrolling streets in case their is some violence" after the Zimmerman case. Yeah -- that's a great idea. Highly armed skin heads walking the street are the best way to ease tensions -- right? What an inspiration the "stand your ground law" has been. I'm just waiting for the hubbub when black youths decide to patrol the streets looking for any old men who are afraid of kids in hoodies -- to preemptively protect themselves and shoot first -- since so many people are getting inspired to "secure the neighborhoods."

If more people were to "POWN" like O'Keefe, and to protect neighborhoods like Zimmerman, I think we'll get this anarchy and nonsense whipped into a frenzy!

>> In Australia, they fine you for NOT voting -- much like the Ancient Greeks would put a red died cloth around the necks of people who didn't show up to vote and shame them. You get a lot more moderation when the people who aren't upset and extreme show up.

I'm sorry, I need to remember not to get too complicated and nuanced here -- after all, I'm talking with people who are fans of Breitbart and O'Keefe -- such things as integrity, honesty and making sense aren't going to be appreciated.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
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The reality is if Eric Holder went in to vote he could easily challenge someone else using his identity. The other reality is that every time anyone audits the system, there's no proof of widespread attempts at this sort of voter fraud.


That's exactly right - there's no proof, BY DESIGN. The video proves that it can be done very easily. What if this guy had the names and addresses of 50 people in that registration book and voted Republican under all 50 people's names? Would you have a problem with that? Oh, I guess it's okay if democrats do it, and illegals do it.

You don't need an ID to register in most states, and you don't need an ID to vote. So tell me, genius, how does that prevent illegals from voting?? It DOESN'T, which is exactly what you and yours want - votes from wherever you can get them. Why? Because the whole lot of you are corrupt, and you think it's okay to be corrupt, as long as you don't get caught.



The final reality is that O'Keefe is a POLITICAL OPERATIVE.

He and the people that pay him know that a voter ID law would primarily, overwhelmingly, affect poor people, and minorities. A voter ID law would, in practice, act as yet more right-wing voter suppression.


See above. The only reason you THINK it would suppress votes is that it WOULD prevent illegals from voting, which in and of itself is ILLEGAL. You have a problem with preventing crime?? Or are you just fine with criminal activity as long as it benefits you...

Poor people have the ability to vote. There is public transportation, all sorts of public services they can use. Is that not enough for you liberals? Perhaps you should assign every poor person a limousine and driver so they aren't "disenfranchised" at the polls. Did you ever think maybe they just don't give a crap and simply don't vote?
edit on 10-4-2012 by AwakeinNM because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by narwahl

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by narwahl
How about no voting below a masters degree then?
Or Business owners only?
Both criteria should fit your founding fathers idea pretty well.


No. Lets remain honest.

The law is the law. Just look it up. I did. It's easy.


Yet if you are honest you would propably object to any restriction that would effect you.


The current restrictions sound like common sense to me.

I don't have a problem with them.

Why are you such an alarmist?


You want to prevent a crime that would in a best case scenario leave 1000 witnesses behind?

Yet I am the alarmist?



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by AwakeinNM
 



He and the people that pay him know that a voter ID law would primarily, overwhelmingly, affect poor people, and minorities. A voter ID law would, in practice, act as yet more right-wing voter suppression.



No, it would only effect non-american citizens that can't obtain IDs because they aren't citizens. How are poor people and minorities unable to get IDs as you imply?



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 05:43 PM
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Dude, you're being a racist. Of course, only "rich white people" can go and get a generic state ID, only ALL rich white people are conservative, right? Even Bill Maher.
We even have generic state ID's here in Oklahoma. They aren't driver's licenses, they're just photo ID's and they're less than $30. There is quite literally no excuse to not have some form of photo ID. None. Sorry, I don't care how poor you are, you can attain one if you want to vote. Complete bleeding heart bs.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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lol....That fool said "I'll be back FASTer than you can say FURIOUS..."

lmfao!!!



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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I won't repost my post from above... suffice it to say again,

There is absolutely no reason for every 'citizen' of the United States to furnish an acceptable form of ID to vote.

The only affect the requirement for every citizen wanting to vote to have an approved ID might have on the vote is to keep those who are not "legal citizens of the United States", who btw have NO right to vote in the first place, from voting.. if so then requiring an ID will have a desired affect.

ONLY legal US citizens are eligable to cast a vote.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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I think you have to be careful of any organization trying to prove a system does not work. I sense a hidden agenda in the Project VERITAS plan. The issue they are not revealing is that the imposter would not sign the card. Anyone know why? It has a very severe penalty for just one vote in the name of fraud. I am a big believer in no taxation without representation. I believe that if you pay more taxes than benefits received, you should have the right to vote. Ever wonder why political parties in this country bus homeless and non-tax payers to the polls? They circumvent the systems to get elected and that is the problem, their agenda. How to solve it? There are three things that should be done.

1. Set term limits on elected officials in the House and Senate. It should be the Senate for only 2 terms and the House of Representatives to 4 terms. That is it. No more. They exhaust the chance of being reelected to any seat.
2. Campaign finance reform. Do not allow big corporations to buy this wonderful country. Both political parties have grown fat off the backs of all the citizens. It is time to stop this.
3. Allow Supreme Court Justices to serve only one 10 year term and limit the amount of justices to nine.

If these three acts are done it would change the landscape of this great country. It might even change it forever.
I would also add remove the two party system and allow any party as long as they register in all 50 states and territories the right to be on the ballot.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 07:29 PM
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Santorum is out of the primary



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by Surfrat
reply to post by OldCurmudgeon
 


Santorum is out of the primary


"I" didn't mention Santorum...



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


James O'Keefe is only effective - and only "got a job" because he's a useful tool from the same people who want to reduce the number of people voting.

O'Keefe has never been accepted in "legitimate" circles as anyone credible.

I really don't know what you want to "win" with corrupt shills. If Republicans get more power via people like O'Keefe -- they won with dirty tricks and lies. That means you get a MORE CORRUPT politician regardless of which party he is hanging out with.

O'Keefe and the hordes of other shills like him, are not talented, nor insightful -- they merely promote the CORRECT messages.

>> It's kind of the same thing as the Pepper Spraying Cop, or the Sheriff in Texas who likes to humiliate prisoners by putting them in Pink. These people aren't arrested, and in fact have good paying jobs -- because they make people angry -- and it sends a message that it's OK.

For instance, there is some Neo Nazi group now "patrolling streets in case their is some violence" after the Zimmerman case. Yeah -- that's a great idea. Highly armed skin heads walking the street are the best way to ease tensions -- right? What an inspiration the "stand your ground law" has been. I'm just waiting for the hubbub when black youths decide to patrol the streets looking for any old men who are afraid of kids in hoodies -- to preemptively protect themselves and shoot first -- since so many people are getting inspired to "secure the neighborhoods."

If more people were to "POWN" like O'Keefe, and to protect neighborhoods like Zimmerman, I think we'll get this anarchy and nonsense whipped into a frenzy!

>> In Australia, they fine you for NOT voting -- much like the Ancient Greeks would put a red died cloth around the necks of people who didn't show up to vote and shame them. You get a lot more moderation when the people who aren't upset and extreme show up.

I'm sorry, I need to remember not to get too complicated and nuanced here -- after all, I'm talking with people who are fans of Breitbart and O'Keefe -- such things as integrity, honesty and making sense aren't going to be appreciated.


Actions speak louder than words.

James O'Keefe succeeded in changing the status quo in New Hampshire.


I want the Photo ID requirement in all 50 states.



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by AwakeinNM
 


The reality is if Eric Holder went in to vote he could easily challenge someone else using his identity. The other reality is that every time anyone audits the system, there's no proof of widespread attempts at this sort of voter fraud.


That's exactly right - there's no proof, BY DESIGN. The video proves that it can be done very easily. What if this guy had the names and addresses of 50 people in that registration book and voted Republican under all 50 people's names? Would you have a problem with that? Oh, I guess it's okay if democrats do it, and illegals do it.

You don't need an ID to register in most states, and you don't need an ID to vote. So tell me, genius, how does that prevent illegals from voting?? It DOESN'T, which is exactly what you and yours want - votes from wherever you can get them. Why? Because the whole lot of you are corrupt, and you think it's okay to be corrupt, as long as you don't get caught.



The final reality is that O'Keefe is a POLITICAL OPERATIVE.

He and the people that pay him know that a voter ID law would primarily, overwhelmingly, affect poor people, and minorities. A voter ID law would, in practice, act as yet more right-wing voter suppression.


See above. The only reason you THINK it would suppress votes is that it WOULD prevent illegals from voting, which in and of itself is ILLEGAL. You have a problem with preventing crime?? Or are you just fine with criminal activity as long as it benefits you...

Poor people have the ability to vote. There is public transportation, all sorts of public services they can use. Is that not enough for you liberals? Perhaps you should assign every poor person a limousine and driver so they aren't "disenfranchised" at the polls. Did you ever think maybe they just don't give a crap and simply don't vote?
edit on 10-4-2012 by AwakeinNM because: (no reason given)


Lets stop all of the illegal voting. - Photo IDs in all 50 states -

No more dead people voting. No more convicted felons voting.

Just check the obituaries. When someone dies then - remove- them from the list.



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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Because everyone that dies is in the obits and IDs can't be faked.

Perfect system.



posted on Apr, 13 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
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Because everyone that dies is in the obits and IDs can't be faked.

Perfect system.


It's not perfect but i'll take it.

We have to start someplace.





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