i was reading something about the American Revolution some time ago, specifically regarding the opening move of the Revolutionaries.
i just tried to find the document online, but can't, from what i remember, it suggested that in ONE night control of all the government related
institutions in the country were seized by the revolutionaries who at the time would have been lightly armed if at all and non-uniformed.
the entire revolution, then, was one fought in a defensive posture...not offensive.
i don't want to list the implications associated with the revolutionaries being able to accomplish such a thing...but I will say that after observing
what many think of as revolution as reported in both popular and alternative media is that they consider revolution an offensive activity. this stands
in contrast with the American Model.
the American Revolutionary model is not the one being practiced by the would be revolutionaries of today; Occupy Movements, Protests and Psychological
operations, etc. and for this reason I am quite certain that none of you who would like to conduct one would be successful.
you'd fight the entire battle running up hill and then it would be over and nothing at all will have been accomplished.
Am I the only one that believes America needs a second revolution?, page 2
reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 11:42 AM by rebellender
reply to post by frazzle
ok I will be king, I impose I dont have to pay taxes, I impose that anything I do is above all laws I impose that I can take 75% of all wealth of my district, I impose that I get first dibbs on all virgins of the land. I impose I can war with who I wish to challenge other districts for power, I impose that I get what I want and hand out what everybody else gets.
I impose the Laws of King Henry the 8th, his son Edward and Bloody Mary.
after all fair is fair right.
Ron Paul equals anarchy he has shown his colors, the world has shown its inability to live peacefully
Have a Nice Day
ok I will be king, I impose I dont have to pay taxes, I impose that anything I do is above all laws I impose that I can take 75% of all wealth of my district, I impose that I get first dibbs on all virgins of the land. I impose I can war with who I wish to challenge other districts for power, I impose that I get what I want and hand out what everybody else gets.
I impose the Laws of King Henry the 8th, his son Edward and Bloody Mary.
after all fair is fair right.
Ron Paul equals anarchy he has shown his colors, the world has shown its inability to live peacefully
Have a Nice Day
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reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 11:52 AM by frazzle
Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by frazzle
ok I will be king, I impose I dont have to pay taxes, I impose that anything I do is above all laws I impose that I can take 75% of all wealth of my district, I impose that I get first dibbs on all virgins of the land. I impose I can war with who I wish to challenge other districts for power, I impose that I get what I want and hand out what everybody else gets.
I impose the Laws of King Henry the 8th, his son Edward and Bloody Mary.
after all fair is fair right.
Is that how you see Ron Paul's vision of what would make each of us kings of our own lives? If so, you misunderstand him completely, everybody else would be the king over THEIR own lives, as well. So you get dibbs on nothing except what you could earn. You would, of course, be free to BUY all the virgin land you could afford, but all those other kings might decide to stomp on you if you tried to impose anything upon them.
BTW, Paul wants to outlaw the IRS, too, so you do agree with him on one point.
reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:00 PM by JohnCreed777
reply to post by DrNotforhire
I never said anything about war, and why would I want war on my own soil, I'm a 16th generation American myself. A revolution doesn't necessarily mean war, however regretably it's a common result, if we dehercide to rebel or stnd against our government, would they nolt declare war upon us. War is terrible, but lets aproach this from another scenario. Let's say for arguments sake yellowstone caldera was going to erupt today at 6:30 pm central. What would the government do? First evacuate the highest ranking officials to mount hood, and other various top secret super bunkers across the land. Next measures would be taken to contain the situation, which would involve evacuating populated areas, and possibly making sure the info isn't leaked to the press. Eventually the end would be near and many people, desperate to survive would try to over run the gauntlets protecting the bunkers. Would they say " Here come on in and let's have a tea party with the president" No, the civilians would most likely be painted as hostiles and the soldiers would be orderd to fire upon their own countryman.
A revolution could be started by hippi's wearing bunny costumes, but inevidably the end result would be the boodliest war this country has ever seen. You see, we have passed the threshold of peace, we are too deep in the depths od darkenss and tryanny to go back.
I never said anything about war, and why would I want war on my own soil, I'm a 16th generation American myself. A revolution doesn't necessarily mean war, however regretably it's a common result, if we dehercide to rebel or stnd against our government, would they nolt declare war upon us. War is terrible, but lets aproach this from another scenario. Let's say for arguments sake yellowstone caldera was going to erupt today at 6:30 pm central. What would the government do? First evacuate the highest ranking officials to mount hood, and other various top secret super bunkers across the land. Next measures would be taken to contain the situation, which would involve evacuating populated areas, and possibly making sure the info isn't leaked to the press. Eventually the end would be near and many people, desperate to survive would try to over run the gauntlets protecting the bunkers. Would they say " Here come on in and let's have a tea party with the president" No, the civilians would most likely be painted as hostiles and the soldiers would be orderd to fire upon their own countryman.
A revolution could be started by hippi's wearing bunny costumes, but inevidably the end result would be the boodliest war this country has ever seen. You see, we have passed the threshold of peace, we are too deep in the depths od darkenss and tryanny to go back.
reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:08 PM by JohnCreed777
reply to post by NeoVain
Good point neo vain, It appears that is one thing I forgot to mention, what I mean by revolution is an entire redo a start from scratch. As you said just a simple revolution would only help in the short run, and corruption runs deep. Although even in the best case scenario the corruption will always return. Also, i've never heard of the venus project i'll have to check it out.
Good point neo vain, It appears that is one thing I forgot to mention, what I mean by revolution is an entire redo a start from scratch. As you said just a simple revolution would only help in the short run, and corruption runs deep. Although even in the best case scenario the corruption will always return. Also, i've never heard of the venus project i'll have to check it out.
reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:27 PM by JohnCreed777
reply to post by Germanicus
I agree with you on all said ideals except for the CIA. The CIA is no better than the government, it is more powerful than any government in the world. Presidents and administrations have sought to put an end to the CIAs reign, a few of which would be assassinated, such as the Kennedy brothers. The CIA controls the government, mostly because most of it's roots legally don't exist, activities include acts of violence to satisfy corrupt officials include but are in no way limited to: genocide, starting wars, "disasters, assassinations, working with enemy countries, working with cartels and weapon smugglers, etc.
I am sure you were not aware that in the 1970's the government sanctioned the CIA to train Osama Bin Laden and his fellow extremists, we gave them supplies, training, and weapons, all just in case soviet Russia should attack then they would be already close to enemy lines. That fun little fact was quickly swept under the rug after 9/11 happen, wouldn't want the general public to know that we gave them the tools to do it. This all said with the assumption that it wasn't an inside job, if it was then the heavy lifting would've been done by the CIA.
I agree with you on all said ideals except for the CIA. The CIA is no better than the government, it is more powerful than any government in the world. Presidents and administrations have sought to put an end to the CIAs reign, a few of which would be assassinated, such as the Kennedy brothers. The CIA controls the government, mostly because most of it's roots legally don't exist, activities include acts of violence to satisfy corrupt officials include but are in no way limited to: genocide, starting wars, "disasters, assassinations, working with enemy countries, working with cartels and weapon smugglers, etc.
I am sure you were not aware that in the 1970's the government sanctioned the CIA to train Osama Bin Laden and his fellow extremists, we gave them supplies, training, and weapons, all just in case soviet Russia should attack then they would be already close to enemy lines. That fun little fact was quickly swept under the rug after 9/11 happen, wouldn't want the general public to know that we gave them the tools to do it. This all said with the assumption that it wasn't an inside job, if it was then the heavy lifting would've been done by the CIA.
reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 02:35 PM by JohnCreed777
reply to post by frazzle
Well said my friend, unfortunately it appears Romney will win. God, I don't wanna know what him or that lunatic Gringrich would do to this country. I'd might as hand over my happiness and soul on a silver platter.
Well said my friend, unfortunately it appears Romney will win. God, I don't wanna know what him or that lunatic Gringrich would do to this country. I'd might as hand over my happiness and soul on a silver platter.
reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 04:57 PM by rebellender
reply to post by frazzle
absolutely according to your words that every man is King.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian. Its Idealistic Government.
absolutely according to your words that every man is King.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian. Its Idealistic Government.
reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 05:00 PM by CottonwoodStormy
Originally posted by JohnCreed7778th st
reply to post by NeoVain
Good point neo vain, It appears that is one thing I forgot to mention, what I mean by revolution is an entire redo a start from scratch. As you said just a simple revolution would only help in the short run, and corruption runs deep. Although even in the best case scenario the corruption will always return. Also, i've never heard of the venus project i'll have to check it out.
Well if there is going to be a revolution it better be soon, this vid out april 8th stated by a US Military Colonel and should have its own thread is, BREAKING! ATTACK ON AMERICA STARTED!!! NDAA Military Plans.... MAKE VIRAL ! www.youtube.com... it needs to get out there and should be discussed cause revolution is in the making!
reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 06:23 PM by WhoWhatWhy
reply to post by JohnCreed777
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
Enough said really!
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
Enough said really!
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reply posted on 9-4-2012 @ 06:25 PM by frazzle
reply to post by JohnCreed777
I think we probably do have a pretty good idea of what's coming no matter who gets (s)elected. Of course this is pure speculation, but I do think it'll be Obama part two because nobody wants Mitt, other as the candidate who is most likely to lose to Obama ~ or be just like him if he accidentally won. But like the prez told Medvedev (or whichever Russian he was whispering to) he'll have a "freer hand after the election" so it looks like the fix is in.
In the meantime this recent black/white distraction of Travon/Zimmerman has the potential to flare up and that's probably part of the plan, too. They're nudging us in that direction because if we're fighting each other, many people will forget their anger over what's already been done to us and will pull some of them back into O's corner. Or at least it will look like it did when he pulls otherwise unbelievably high numbers in November.
But even if its some other nasty thing sneaking in through the back door, they'd want a fight/distraction in any case that they can control (they think) because we've been nibbling at the edges of some secrets and crimes lately and full exposure is their worst nightmare. And we all know a civil uprising would result in martial law, even if the whole thing was kabuki theater and the actors were hired mercs.
Keep your powder dry, JohnCreed, and hang on to your soul, its the only thing any of us get to take along after we run out of powder. Well, that's speculation, too, I guess.
Viva la R3volution. Ideas can't lose elections.
I think we probably do have a pretty good idea of what's coming no matter who gets (s)elected. Of course this is pure speculation, but I do think it'll be Obama part two because nobody wants Mitt, other as the candidate who is most likely to lose to Obama ~ or be just like him if he accidentally won. But like the prez told Medvedev (or whichever Russian he was whispering to) he'll have a "freer hand after the election" so it looks like the fix is in.
In the meantime this recent black/white distraction of Travon/Zimmerman has the potential to flare up and that's probably part of the plan, too. They're nudging us in that direction because if we're fighting each other, many people will forget their anger over what's already been done to us and will pull some of them back into O's corner. Or at least it will look like it did when he pulls otherwise unbelievably high numbers in November.
But even if its some other nasty thing sneaking in through the back door, they'd want a fight/distraction in any case that they can control (they think) because we've been nibbling at the edges of some secrets and crimes lately and full exposure is their worst nightmare. And we all know a civil uprising would result in martial law, even if the whole thing was kabuki theater and the actors were hired mercs.
Keep your powder dry, JohnCreed, and hang on to your soul, its the only thing any of us get to take along after we run out of powder. Well, that's speculation, too, I guess.
Viva la R3volution. Ideas can't lose elections.
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