Americans Bombed Pearl Harbor With Airplanes Designed To Look Japanese

reply to post by blocula


military aircrafts that crash in enemy territory are generally cordoned off, predominantly to preserve as much of the craft as possible. why did the russians take the u-2 spy plane? now imagine if the average joes got there, what would they do?

makes sense wouldnt it?? to know for certain without spying what the enemy is running? you dont know much about tactics do you?

its the similar to a crime scene, when you want to know more about the enemy what do you need? info on the enemy, now what good is info from the enemy if its been tampered with? you dont know what was taken you dont know what was altered, good luck learning false information.

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by choos

 

Did the russian military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,german airplanes that were shot down by russians?...No...

Did the american military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,german airplanes that were shot down by americans?...No...

Did the german military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,russian airplanes that were shot down by germans?...No...

Did the italian military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,american airplanes that were shot down by italians?...No...

Did the british military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,german airplanes that were were shot down by britains?...No...

Did the french military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,german airplanes that were shot down by the french?...No...

Did the chinese military police cordone off under armed guard and conceal from their own troops,japanese airplanes that were shot down by the chinese?...No...

Of course not,they all went out of their way to try and show off their accomplishments to their own military personnel and to their own public...

Except when it came to the bitterly suspicious american military police,who,following orders,cordoned off under armed guard and concealed from their own troops and their own people,supposedly japanese airplanes, supposedly being flown by japanese people from japan,supposedly shot down by americans...

Wow...Hmmmmm?...It doesnt take a rocket scientist...Does it?...

edit on 2-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Actually a fairly simple google search will get you lots of nice pictures of crashed German planes in the UK in WW2 being guarded by the police or the armed forces. Why? Because they contained bangy things called ammunition. You don't want kids getting their hands on that stuff. And there's also the chance that the planes contained the bodies of the crew.
By the way, your theory about the small number of Japanese planes is likewise rubbish, as has been pointed out. Planes contain a limited number of munitions. You cannot cause the horrendous amount of damage that happened at Pearl Harbour with a limited number of planes. There. See? LOGIC. Plus proof. There's a rising tide of laughter by the way.

Blocula, give us some specifications on the amount of ordinance a Japanese Zero can carry and still fly and it's fuel consumption while loaded. How many miles can it fly and how long would a round trip for each plane take?

Please be specific and give all the details. How many Zeros would it take to do the damage that occurred at Pearl Harbor?

reply to post by choos
There was one top secret u2 spy plane shot down...

During world war-2,there were hundreds of airplanes being shot down all the time in france, germany, england, russia, italy and elsewhere and none of them were cordoned off and placed under armed guard...

All those shot down airplanes were openly displayed and proudly shown off to their countries military and civilians,for self esteem and for propaganda...

But at pearl harbor,those supposedly japanese airplanes that were supposedly shot down,while supposedly being flown by members of the japanese military from japan,were cordoned off,were placed under armed guard and no civilians,not even american servicemen,were allowed to examine them...Why?

To conceal any damning evidence that would reveal the american government and its military high command were the ones who fabricated and staged the entire attack and bombing,for massive war profit,for helping to usher in their new world order and for power and control...

reply to post by blocula


they did cordone off examples of planes in ww2 the problem was.. do you realise how many were shot down?? how many were shot down in the ocean? how many shot down in enemy territory?

they cant protect everything.

its funny what they do with captured me 262 isnt it blocula?
militaryhistory.about.com...

who would have thought capturing the enemies technology would help them??

speaking of captured technology:
en.wikipedia.org...

During the attack on Pearl Harbor, nine Zeros were shot down.[14] From these wrecks, the Allies learned that the Zero lacked armor and self-sealing fuel tanks, but little else about its capabilities.[15]

the civilians probably stole it eh bloc?

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
In the top picture the tail code is not shown but we are told this is "A1-154".
In the bottom picture shows American made equipment in the cockpit. I wonder how easy it would be for the Imperial Japanese Navy to get a hold of one of these. It even has a serial number on it.

Fairchild Radio Compass Model RC-4, serial # 484.

to add:

The interesting thing about the Type 1-3 is that it was a copy of the Fairchild Aero Compass, manufactured in New York by the Fairchild Aerial Camera division of Fairchild Aircraft Company. The Zero coded AI-154, which was shot down at Fort Kamehmeha during the Pearl Harbor attack had a Fairchild-built direction finder Model RC-4, serial number 484 installed in it, as did the Zero, which was captured in the Aleutian Islands seven months later. Source www.j-aircraft.com...

edit on 4/15/2012 by SayonaraJupiter because: to add

just wanted to add a better set of pics for "AI-154" from the memorial website of a Pearl Harbor vet, Jacques Fuselier.

carol..._fus.tripod.com/army_hero_jacqfus.html

edit on 4/15/2012 by SayonaraJupiter because: add jacques pics

The japanese airplanes of 1941 (or anyother time) were not "that" good and were not really advanced beyond our own.Its not like the americans were flying around in broken down pickup trucks and the japanese were flying around in porsches.Both countries aircraft were "very similar" and so there would have been no "normal" reason for cordoning off the wreckage of japanese airplanes and then placing them under armed guard and why exactly were those guards armed? In case someone walked too close to a downed japanese airplane,close enough to see that some of the vital parts of the aircraft were actually american,for one thing and those armed guards would have shot people dead on the spot and not a leg or arm wound either,but a head or heart shot...bastards...

Power...Profit...Prestige...Propaganda...Politics...Those are the five main reasons why our elite and evil world leaders and industrialists always start,but never directly involve themselves in perpetual war.Our elite and evil world leaders and industrialists sit around and are driven around,safely and securely far away from their fabricated battlefields,while smoking cigars and drinking wine with their yes yes trophy wives,while the regular nobodys,the expendable janes and joes,under direct threat of court martial,prison and death if they dont robotically comply,are the ones who are commanded to do all the fighting and are the ones who are forced to do all the dying...

reply to post by blocula

I already explained that these planes at pearl Harbor would have been the AMONG THE FIRST EVER examples of this plan that , and the Americans had no other examples before these of the technologically advanced Japanese planes. I'm sure by 1945, when a Japanese plane was shot down, it was much less of something that needed to be studied -- but the first WOULD be something worth studying.

Studying the Japanese Zeros were a matter of major importance with the American Military. A month prior to Pearl Harbor, two crashed in Chin. The Chinese farmers who found them destroyed one, but the other was able to be salvaged (in pieces) by the Chinese Military, who -- realizing the prize that they had -- promptly took the pieces away for further study. This was so important to the Americans that they sent a team to China in 1942 to see this plane. That American team was able to transport the pieces of that plane back to the U.S. for study.

If the Americans thought a crashed Japanese Zero it was important enough to send a team to China to see one, I would think one crashed in Pearl Harbor would be of equal interest.

Link to source: www.j-aircraft.com...



In 1942, a fully intact Zero made a hard landing in Alaska and was captured. This was a major coup for the Americans to actulayy have a flyable Japanese Zero that they could study. This is seen as a huge intelligence victory for the U.S.

Link to source: en.wikipedia.org...
This next link opens directly to a PDF file: thevillagesaviation.com...



Another early example of a Zero was crash-landed in New Guinea in 1942, where the Australians attempted to quickly procured the plane for further study, but unfortunately souvenir hunters got to it first, and stripped it of much of the valuable intelligence information it may have contained. This prompted the Australians to create stricter protocol for shot-down planes:

After intelligence officers inspected the plane at Brisbane, it was shipped on to Melbourne to be studied further for whatever could be learned. But it was not in condition to be easily rebuilt after the the souvenir hunters had done their work. It was a mean lesson for the Technical Air Intelligence officers to learn. In future crashed planes were guarded vigorously, and souvenir hunting was discouraged with new regulations and procedures designed to preserve valuable enemy aircraft and equipment for intelligence studies.

[emphasis mine]

Link to Source: www.pacificwrecks.com...


So, it wasn't only the Americans who knew how valuable a crashed Japanese Zero was to military intelligence -- the Chinese and the Australians knew this, too, and they learned to work quickly in securing crash sites for intelligence-gathering purposes. Securing the crash site of a Japanese Zero in early WWII was simply S.O.P. for the countries fighting the Japanese.


These were all EARLY examples of captured Japanese Zeros -- a plane that the Allied forces had yet to have a chance to study. Therefore, every early crash was a chance to gather important intelligence information about these advanced aircraft. Going back to the U2 spy planes and Russia: One U2 spy plane shot down in Russia is something worth cordoning off. If (hypothetically) 500 more U2s were shot down, those later planes would not be as interesting/worthy of close inspection.

Originally posted by blocula
The japanese airplanes of 1941 (or anyother time) were not "that" good and were not really advanced beyond our own.Its not like the americans were flying around in broken down pickup trucks and the japanese were flying around in porsches.Both countries aircraft were "very similar" and so there would have been no "normal" reason for cordoning off the wreckage of japanese airplanes and then placing them under armed guard and why exactly were those guards armed? In case someone walked too close to a downed japanese airplane,close enough to see that some of the vital parts of the aircraft were actually american,for one thing and those armed guards would have shot people dead on the spot and not a leg or arm wound either,but a head or heart shot...bastards...

edit on 3-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

your knowledge of history is very worrysome...

the mitsubishi zero was at its time the best fighter around.. nothing the allies had could match the dogfighting abilities of the zero.

its range and maneuvrability was vastly superior to anything the allies had.

In 1940 Claire Lee Chennault, leader of the Flying Tigers, wrote a report on the Zero's performance. However, United States Department of War analysts rejected it as "arrant nonsense" and concluded the performance attributed to the Zero was an aerodynamic impossibility.[12] Early in the war, the Zero outclassed any Allied fighter it encountered. According to American flying ace William N. Leonard, "In these early encounters and on our own we were learning the folly of dogfighting with [the Zero]"

en.wikipedia.org...

im sorry but you are just so wrong, the kill ratio early in the war of the zero versus allies was predominantly lopsided at 12-1

In early combat operations, the Zero gained a legendary reputation as a "dogfighter", achieving the outstanding kill ratio of 12 to 1

en.wikipedia.org...

did you know how important the akutan zero find was to the US??

The Akutan Zero has been described as "a prize almost beyond value to the United States",[3] and "probably one of the greatest prizes of the Pacific war".[4] Japanese historian Masatake Okumiya stated that the acquisition of the Akutan Zero "was no less serious" than the Japanese defeat at the Battle of Midway, and that it "did much to hasten Japan's final defeat"

en.wikipedia.org...

nah mate nothing special about the zero at all.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by blocula

 

Thats the most stupidest conspiracy I've heard of all time!

Sorry, but I can't agree with that. You really need to check threads titled


World Governments Allow Evil Aliens To Capture Millions Of People In Exchange For Secret Technology

Was The Titanic Destroyed By A German Submarine?


Not surprisingly, they all come from the same source.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by blocula

 

I already explained that these planes at pearl Harbor would have been the AMONG THE FIRST EVER examples of this plan that , and the Americans had no other examples before these of the technologically advanced Japanese planes.

Let me play the devil's advocate (or the moron's advocate, if you prefer) --

The US developed the Zero before the war in complete secrecy, with the purpose of bombing Pearl Harbor. Once this was achieved, there was no further production of the Zero in the US, but the plans were secretly and intentionally transferred to the Japanese who immediately seized the opportunity to produce a superior fighter. And they did. Thus, all tracks were covered.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People
reply to post by blocula

 

I already explained that these planes at pearl Harbor would have been the AMONG THE FIRST EVER examples of this plan that , and the Americans had no other examples before these of the technologically advanced Japanese planes.

Let me play the devil's advocate (or the moron's advocate, if you prefer) --

The US developed the Zero before the war in complete secrecy, with the purpose of bombing Pearl Harbor. Once this was achieved, there was no further production of the Zero in the US, but the plans were secretly and intentionally transferred to the Japanese who immediately seized the opportunity to produce a superior fighter. And they did. Thus, all tracks were covered.

Another great hypothesis that is within the realm of possibility, but which has as much evidence as blocula's various hypotheses.

All hypotheses that are "within the realm of possibility" ≠ The Truth, necessarily.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


Oh, I forgot to add -- the US would have to also completely infiltrate the Imperial Japanese Navy to fake or modify all the numerous records, including personnel and plans for the attack. The US also possessed the capability of remote mind control, so Admiral Yamamoto was acting as a drone with his plan for the attack.

All of this is completely plausible and in fact likely, right?

Let's take this "theory" one step further and say that it was the US who attacked the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. American forces dressed in Nazi uniform. Great stuff, isn't it?

Originally posted by buddhasystem
reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

 

Oh, I forgot to add -- the US would have to also completely infiltrate the Imperial Japanese Navy to fake or modify all the numerous records, including personnel and plans for the attack. The US also possessed the capability of remote mind control, so Admiral Yamamoto was acting as a drone with his plan for the attack.

All of this is completely plausible and in fact likely, right?

Let's take this "theory" one step further and say that it was the US who attacked the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. American forces dressed in Nazi uniform. Great stuff, isn't it?

Gasp! Them nefarious Americans! Who didn't they attack???

reply to post by blocula
Whether we knew they were coming or we created the whole thing, it had to happen. We had to get into the European war to stop Hitler. The V3 was an intercontinental missle. If Germany had had the time & resources to develop it without us bombing the hell out of their factories, they would've been firing those things over the Atlantic with nukes on top. We'd all be speaking German right now if not for Pearl Harbor.

reply to post by nodoubt
Imagine what would have happened to europe and other parts of the world if stalin or hitler had obtained multiple atomic weapons before the united states did...

Those planes were Japanese Zero's - I know because my step dad was there. and they found a few that got shot down. you can say alot about him - but a liar he wasn't - they were already at war with Japan long before the attack on Hawaii, he was in it.... he was a real American - he started me on my quest for truth way back in the 60's.

reply to post by 1BornPatriot
Theres no reason why he or anyone else would'nt think they were japanese planes.But,i think they were either purchased from japan before the war,or they were secretly built by americans in hawaii or wherever,using japanese blue prints,obtained through direct purchase,or by means of espionage...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by nodoubt

 

Imagine what would have happened to europe and other parts of the world if stalin or hitler had obtained multiple atomic weapons before the united states did...

you don't get it first you say the elites of the world are to blame and they control outcomes, then you say what if what if ...

are you now saying the united states are "not" in on it when it suits you explain master blocular please?
are they in on it or out of it.. ?

i see a contradiction here does anyone else see it .. well yes they do and i do not need to be telepathic like you now bloc to know that this thread was debunked ages ago as i have debunked it from the start and others have good story though good fantasy story

P.S there is no what if because as you say they controll everything and all the outcomes, it is decided who gets what when and where so there is no what if then to your question about what if stalin or hitler got the bomb etc

Originally posted by nodoubt
reply to post by blocula

 

Whether we knew they were coming or we created the whole thing, it had to happen. We had to get into the European war to stop Hitler. The V3 was an intercontinental missle. If Germany had had the time & resources to develop it without us bombing the hell out of their factories, they would've been firing those things over the Atlantic with nukes on top. We'd all be speaking German right now if not for Pearl Harbor.

I think you mean the planned two-stage version of the V2. The V3 was a kind of long-range gun that was supposed to obliterate London. Fortunately they got their sums horribly wrong and it never fired a shot.