reply to post by yoyoyoyo
Long time guest first time posting- this is a hot topic for me.
First: "Big Picture." ...
Nature - - across the board - wants more fertility that the environment can sustain - the whole purpose of is to continue the experiment and we are
just the vessels for our genome's expression....nature always employs gross overfertility whether its dandelions, bees, cockroaches, cats or people,
so a small percentage can survive. Since we are not in a 'natural' environment where disease and predators take us down to reasonable levels as they
once did, the idea of EVERY human conception coming to term would make our now already monstrous numbers swell even more.
Morally: No woman relishes terminating a pregnancy, even if its an accident, result of a one night stand or incest or rape-- or just something that
financial and emotional resources can't sustaint.. its not a pleasant or fun procedure. I understand the upset by 'pro lifers' if they believe the
zygote is 'ensouled' immediately - but I have never seen the same passion translate when the fetus becomes a living child - where are the services
and support to the single mothers? Adoption you say? Have you read the statistics on social and psychological issues with adoptees, especially in the
classically closed method? If the fervor were spread equally to the humans a few years after they leave the womb, their arguments would have more
Practical, real life: At least 75% of the women you know right now - over age 35 have had at least one abortion (either legal or if they are past 60,
probably illegal or in one of the few places you could get them pre 1972). Yes I mean your religious grandmother, your aunties, your sisters, your
mothers. No matter what they say. In every family, there is a woman who has terminated a pregnancy. Guaranteed. They just don't talk about it,
especially if they are religious or over a certain age. Most of them (including myself), never had any ill effects, went on to have more children or
stopped having children. A great number of them who had to terminate were married women who already had other children but no resources to support
Spiritual, biological: "Humans" are not born 'done'. We are born basically premature and helpless because of the size of our heads and brains, we
need intense nurturing for many years to turn us into what is commonly accepted as a normal person. Without the intense bonding and nurturing, the
devotion of one or more caregivers, that person will be dysfunctional, even feral or psychopathic. Therefore to propose that the fetus at 6 or 8 weeks
is a miniature human is untrue. (I am not saying infanticide or late term abortion is an option - only giving context).
Historical: throughout the ages, family planning when natural death didn't take care of it (typically only a few children might survive out of a
dozen born)- was infanticide - in ancient times (including bible times), up to the late middle ages. Had it been 'verboten' the bible would have
decried it, but as it was a natural part of life, it went unmentioned. Read 'the kindness of strangers' on this subject. Our beloved fairy tales
with themes of of abandoned children, and identify replacement (orphan becomes king, etc), all spring from the common abandonment of children who
couldn't be cared for (parents hoping a kindly aristocrat would pick their child vs the elements taking them, or more likely someone looking for
Finally - there is as yet no perfect method to control our fertility. Nature, God, whatever you want to describe it as, wants most of all for the
genome to survive. Thus sexual reproduction, which shuffles the deck each time egg and sperm collide, and through the interplay of environment and
mutation, to adapt to all kinds of conditions. Who knows we may have mutationss occurring now that will allow us to process the plastics and pollution
as well as the high amounts of radioactive isotopes we're not inundated with. Those without the mutation will die off, but it may not be pretty, or
easy, or quick. If you think "god doesnt make mistakes' and its all a perfect laid out plan - then explain vestigial tails, the appendix, the blind
spot, infants born without brains, with such gross disabilities that they wouldn't appear human if you saw them, yet they can survive.
And on the most intimate, personal , realistic level - every child deserves to be wanted and cared for. Bearing and rearing a child is an all
consuming process, on every level. At the end of the day, even a happily married woman with support knows that the greatest burden is on her, and only
she knows what she can handle.
A huge cause of the misery we witness in the world, and talk about here is because people had children for the wrong reasons or didn't want them at
all. There are absolutely positively worse things than being born.