Super Delegates: Romney is the nominee

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Some people just need to wake up and see that this is the way of the WORLD.

Originally posted by intrepid
reply to post by Erongaricuaro

 

2 other huge states out there. Penn.(71 delegates) is Santorum's home state, right? He has to win that. Texas(155 delegates) will probably go with Gingrich. Either of those go to Romney and it doesn't matter what the other states vote.

Yeah, I don't think Gingrich has a shot either. I would have liked it if he kept on bashing the liberal media. But he has no money left and no more donations coming in from the rich or other supporters.

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Yes he is the nominee, Romney will secure the delegates before the end of the primaries. I think many republicans, especially those hard core tea partiers, Paul supporters, evangelicals, are kicking themselves in the heads wondering how the hell they ended up with Romney as the nominee? Or how the heck did they end up with three very poor choices?

Alot to think about.

Originally posted by Indellkoffer
reply to post by NeoVain

 

Actually, no, Ron Paul doesn't seem to be doing that well in Texas. In his home district, perhaps, but for the rest, most folks are supporting Santorum or Romney. And when I look at other polls from Texas, I don't see that he's been terribly popular in the state itself. Unless things change, it looks like Santorum will end up with at least half the Texas delegates.
www.realclearpolitics.com...

Yup RCCP has been one of the many resources that can be trusted in this political race, even though sometimes they lean to the left. What a surprise! But it's not part of the DailyPaul or other obscure news sites so obvious troll is obvious!

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
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Yes he is the nominee, Romney will secure the delegates before the end of the primaries. I think many republicans, especially those hard core tea partiers, Paul supporters, evangelicals, are kicking themselves in the heads wondering how the hell they ended up with Romney as the nominee? Or how the heck did they end up with three very poor choices?

Alot to think about.

If you know anything about politics, it's really quite simple. Romney ran in 2008. He's the only one with name recognition and that can appeal to all Republicans. I honestly think Romney has been taking it really slow and easy and that's why he is seen as a "people pleaser."All I can say is just wait until the fall!

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by Erowynn

So you agree with me that most people vote along party lines. We differ in that you seem to think that is a good thing, while I've already stated multiple times that this is exactly the reason nothing ever changes and we get the same old crap politicians over and over again. Different party, same BS. Ron Paul represents the antithesis to this way of thinking. His supporters will not vote along party lines because for them it was never about the party, but rather his ideas. Get it? Got it? Good.

And I have made no such assumptions about all delegates going to RP. If anyone has made any assumptions it's you. Projection much?

edit on 7-4-2012 by Erowynn because: (no reason given)

There IS a huge difference between Romney and Obama. I have said, time and time again that Paul cannot win alone on his message only. He needs to do something to appeal to both parties, not just talking. If he was as good of a talker as Obama, sure he might shake up the parties more than he has this time. But he didn't even win a state yet...He just yelled conspiracy. Not going to get many votes that way, especially if you don't trust the very foundation of the American Voting system. That's why it's generally referred to as a trust system. If you don't trust the system, in politics you are generally considered crazy. Even if you want the most simplest change you are considered crazy. Look at the Tea Party, OWS, and the republicans hatred against Obama claiming he is a socialist not born in this country....Status Quo is how politics is run. That's how it is. It's going to take a lot more than a man talking about it, to change it into whatever you want it to be changed into.

Lots to address here. First, there is no huge difference between Romney and Obama. They have the same corporate backers, and neither has a plan to get us out of this huge debt mess we are in. With either of them we'll get more of the same. What is this huge difference you speak of because I just don't see it?

Secondly, the fact has been beaten to death here on ATS but it's the truth. There is a blatant media bias against Ron Paul and anyone who's been paying attention can see it, regardless of who they support. The voter manipulation is also well documented. And it is all for one reason, which I believe we both agree on, Ron doesn't represent the status quo, the establishment, the way "it is" as you say. In their attempt to keep things "as is" they have lost this trust you speak of. They've shown their hand and it's ugly. In my opinion those who blindly trust a corrupted system are the crazy ones.

Furthermore, RP does appeal to people on both sides of the aisle, more so than any other politician in recent history. It's a truly wonderful thing to see. Once again, it's less about the man and more about the message. Liberty is universal and timeless. We have strayed far from the principles that this country was built on, but now we are slowly, but surely returning. The way "it is" just ain't cutting it anymore. Take a look around.

And now to my final point, you are correct. It is going to take a lot more than just one man talking to change anything, that's why I roll my eyes when most politicians speak because it's a lot of hot air. True change begins on the ground with everyday people like you and me, and that's what Paul represents, the power of the people, the foundational principals of this nation's founding. RP's message has lit the fire within thousands of young people, and guess what, they ain't going anywhere, nor will they back down with the further erosion of our civil liberties, the mounting debt and the perpetual wars. The status quo does nothing but fan the flames of revolution, and for that, my friend, I thank you for playing your role.

Have a great day, and fear not change. It's the only constant.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77 80% of the American Public either don't know who Ron Paul is or don't care. This includes the liberals and the democrats.

You might be surprised how many people DO know about Ron Paul and don't want to vote for him. I won't vote for him because of his environmental record, because he wants to do away with government programs that help school children (so almost no school teacher is interested in voting for him) and for statements like his saying that the tornado victims didn't need government assistance -- that the state should do it and the US government giving back assistance in exchange for their tax money is actually "welfare."

It's why no democrats are running against Obama.

Actually, a few have registered but they've gotten no support. We like our President, thank you.

Paul supporters are always wondering where Republican supporters are on this message board, it's because the Paul supporters shut them up.

I suspect that it's because "Dr. No" keeps voting "no" on a lot of issues that Republicans care about and really isn't supportive of the RNC platform (if you've compared his campaign platform with the RNC one, you've seen how different they are.) So for them, it'd be as unreasonable to vote for Paul as it would be Obama -- niether represents the Republican Party Platform.

I suspect the Ron Paul delegates who have gotten in will be shocked to find out at the National Convention that on the first ballot they are obligated to vote for the candidate that their district elected and if they announce "Ron Paul" on the first vote they will be ignored.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by Darkinin

This nomination process is going all the way to the convention. As already mentioned, anyone saying other is just blowing around propaganda.

And you aren't doing this same thing? really it's quite laughable to think anyone else even Santorum has a shot at this. I love the double standard of Paulites.

edit on 7-4-2012 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)

You attack me stating that this thing still isn't playing into Romney's hand after my analysis, yet you ignore my reasoning, and give no logical rebuttal?

I'll accept that you can't prove anything, then. Please come back with the intent to seriously debate this thing.

Originally posted by Erowynn
Lots to address here. First, there is no huge difference between Romney and Obama. They have the same corporate backers, and neither has a plan to get us out of this huge debt mess we are in. With either of them we'll get more of the same. What is this huge difference you speak of because I just don't see it?

Actually, you can easily look up Romney's message and see how he is different than Obama. He generally loves capitalism, the constitution, legal immigration, a smart military, and he uses Paul Ryan's budget. A lot different from Obama who hates the free market especially oil, does not ever mention the constitution, illegal immigrants vote for Obama, hates specific wars for personal reasons, and doesn't have a budget.

Originally posted by Erowynn
Secondly, the fact has been beaten to death here on ATS but it's the truth. There is a blatant media bias against Ron Paul and anyone who's been paying attention can see it, regardless of who they support. The voter manipulation is also well documented.

The voter manipulation is faked or very over exaggerated. The media doesn't talk about last place candidates which is what RP was going into this race.

I don't know what change you want, can you please explain the change, and how Ronnie will stop all corruption in its path?

Originally posted by Darkinin

You attack me stating that this thing still isn't playing into Romney's hand after my analysis, yet you ignore my reasoning, and give no logical rebuttal?

I think you read it wrong, I agree with the super delegates that Romney will win. His only minor challenger is Santorum. I didn't need to give you a "logical rebuttal" for such a stupid statement.

Originally posted by Indellkoffer

Originally posted by jjf3rd77 80% of the American Public either don't know who Ron Paul is or don't care. This includes the liberals and the democrats.

You might be surprised how many people DO know about Ron Paul and don't want to vote for him. I won't vote for him because of his environmental record, because he wants to do away with government programs that help school children (so almost no school teacher is interested in voting for him) and for statements like his saying that the tornado victims didn't need government assistance -- that the state should do it and the US government giving back assistance in exchange for their tax money is actually "welfare."

While we do not agree with our political beliefs we do agree with our dislike of Ron Paul. You give a very clear and precise view of the democrats to the Paulites and I thank you for continuing to spread that message as I spread the republican one.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Actually, you can easily look up Romney's message and see how he is different than Obama.

Much more similar than you think. These 2 are the best POLITICIANS from their respected sides. Hell, Obama beat the Clintons. Mitt is beating his own party. This is going to be a telling election for America. I hope there is a good voter turn out.

I'm still writing in Ron Paul. Not wasting a vote for Romney.

Either way, looks like I should start loading mags..

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I just found this comment on his page on facebook, thought it was interesting so I wanted to bring it over to this thread.

"The software that is used to tally votes in U.S. elections is owned and operated by Goldman Sachs former executives Tim Bunting, Mark Evans.

It seems that Balderton is a venture capital company which made a significant investment in Syctl, a Spanish corporation which is a leader in secure electronic voting technologies. Balderton is operated by Tim Bunting and Mark Evans, both Goldman Sachs veterans. Tim Bunting was an 18 year veteran of Goldman Sachs and in 2004, he was promoted to vice-chairman of Goldman Sachs. Tim Bunting was one of Goldman Sachs' most senior European executives.

Additionally, Rob Moffat, who is also an executive with Balderton, was a former Bain Capital executive for five years.

Goldman Sachs Mitt Romney's biggest campaign contributor.

Knowing that former Goldman Sachs veterans have an ownership interest in the very software that tabulates votes in the United States is very concerning!"

The Florida Department of State commissioned a review of SCYTL’s voting software and concluded, in part, that:

The system is vulnerable to attack from insiders.
In a worst case scenario, the software could lead to
(1) voters being unable to cast votes;
(2) an election that does not accurately reflect the will of the voters; and
(3) possible disclosure of confidential information, such as the votes cast by individual voters.

The system may be subject to attacks that could compromise the integrity of the votes cast"

I guess he should win the nomination if him and his pals own the voting machines huh?

Voting for Obamney in 2012 only ensures ONE thing. We are that much closer to an armed revolution of the people. The people used the venerated method of voting for their 'change' back in 2008. In 2011 we seen those same people that had lost 'hope' in their 'change' begin to protest with the Occupy movement, only to be pushed aside and made to move on. If we cant vote and get results, and we get silenced for exercising our constitutional rights of assembly and free speech, what do you think is next? Our next step is simply to 'TAKE' the things that we are wanting and needing from this corrupt government. It is too late to right this ship and is now just a matter of time until each and every one of us will have to decide whether to stand up for our freedoms, or just keep laying down and taking it. I will fight for my life and freedom, would you?


Since you ignored this originally I will direct it to your response dealing with this matter. Perpetuating the 'as is' sentiment is only ensuring one thing: the people getting that much closer to an armed revolution.

Check these links to see exactly how 'different' these guys really are

Romney: www.opensecrets.org...

Obama: www.opensecrets.org...

By your own words earlier you said something to the effect that money rules everything, then clearly if those big banks dont see any difference in these candidates. Why should we be expected to? Romney and Obama are both seen as allies by the big banks and corporations, but just keep believing they are 'different' the banks sure dont, and have ensured their man is in the White House either way.

I hope mit romney wins even tho i do not like him. Just like all the others, he will dissapoint you, just like obama. have fun with those choices there. he,he I forgot, what choice was that?

Oh, by the way, we deserve what we get.

Originally posted by zroth


Our two best options are Obama and Romney.

No wonder the destruction of this nation continues.

This is a punt by the GOP. They don't want to win. Bush and Obama have screwed things up so bad that the GOP is afraid that if they win the next presidency that they will be blamed for all the other crap that is coming. It takes years to implement bad policy, decades to undo it.

So, they are OK with Obama winning so he can screw things up so bad that they can't possibly be blamed and they can blame him, like he blames Bush, in perpetuity.

So, we are screwed. It doesn't matter who wins because they are all just playing politics, one-upmanship. The GOP doesn't care about us any more than the DEMs do. They only care about who gets to say "Gotcha" to one another. They will both continue to spend us into an unrecoverable debt and get us into needless wars until the country collapses.

Sad.

Originally posted by babybunnies


Oh well, I guess there's always 2016. It's always been a mystery to me why Condi Rice wasn't put forward as a candidate. She's sane,...

And that is why she is not running. Also I think she wants to distance herself from the Bush presidency which as time passes does not seem to be the great debacle that the left wingers said it was, especially when you look at Obama's willingness to wipe his *** with the Constitution.

After Romney won Florida, I considered the race over.

Originally posted by Erowynn

Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by Erowynn

So you agree with me that most people vote along party lines. We differ in that you seem to think that is a good thing, while I've already stated multiple times that this is exactly the reason nothing ever changes and we get the same old crap politicians over and over again. Different party, same BS. Ron Paul represents the antithesis to this way of thinking. His supporters will not vote along party lines because for them it was never about the party, but rather his ideas. Get it? Got it? Good.

And I have made no such assumptions about all delegates going to RP. If anyone has made any assumptions it's you. Projection much?

edit on 7-4-2012 by Erowynn because: (no reason given)

There IS a huge difference between Romney and Obama. I have said, time and time again that Paul cannot win alone on his message only. He needs to do something to appeal to both parties, not just talking. If he was as good of a talker as Obama, sure he might shake up the parties more than he has this time. But he didn't even win a state yet...He just yelled conspiracy. Not going to get many votes that way, especially if you don't trust the very foundation of the American Voting system. That's why it's generally referred to as a trust system. If you don't trust the system, in politics you are generally considered crazy. Even if you want the most simplest change you are considered crazy. Look at the Tea Party, OWS, and the republicans hatred against Obama claiming he is a socialist not born in this country....Status Quo is how politics is run. That's how it is. It's going to take a lot more than a man talking about it, to change it into whatever you want it to be changed into.

Lots to address here. First, there is no huge difference between Romney and Obama. They have the same corporate backers, and neither has a plan to get us out of this huge debt mess we are in. With either of them we'll get more of the same. What is this huge difference you speak of because I just don't see it?

Secondly, the fact has been beaten to death here on ATS but it's the truth. There is a blatant media bias against Ron Paul and anyone who's been paying attention can see it, regardless of who they support. The voter manipulation is also well documented. And it is all for one reason, which I believe we both agree on, Ron doesn't represent the status quo, the establishment, the way "it is" as you say. In their attempt to keep things "as is" they have lost this trust you speak of. They've shown their hand and it's ugly. In my opinion those who blindly trust a corrupted system are the crazy ones.

Furthermore, RP does appeal to people on both sides of the aisle, more so than any other politician in recent history. It's a truly wonderful thing to see. Once again, it's less about the man and more about the message. Liberty is universal and timeless. We have strayed far from the principles that this country was built on, but now we are slowly, but surely returning. The way "it is" just ain't cutting it anymore. Take a look around.

And now to my final point, you are correct. It is going to take a lot more than just one man talking to change anything, that's why I roll my eyes when most politicians speak because it's a lot of hot air. True change begins on the ground with everyday people like you and me, and that's what Paul represents, the power of the people, the foundational principals of this nation's founding. RP's message has lit the fire within thousands of young people, and guess what, they ain't going anywhere, nor will they back down with the further erosion of our civil liberties, the mounting debt and the perpetual wars. The status quo does nothing but fan the flames of revolution, and for that, my friend, I thank you for playing your role.

Have a great day, and fear not change. It's the only constant.

You seem to get it, these people continually voting for Republicrats are the ones about to force this country to do something radical. They dont even see it, and whats funny to me is they think its the 'safe' thing to do. Its only edging us closer to a real revolution. We tried the peaceful route by way of voting for Obama (i didnt, but his platform was hope and change and so I get that), we tried peaceful protests to get peoples attention, only to be brutalized by the police and have our rights stripped away, no peaceful gathering or right to assemble, so whats next. I mean you guys tell me, cause the next logical step i see is an outright revolt about to form. Like the poster above me said, I welcome it. I am ready, willing, and prepared to fight to the death for my freedoms and security, as well as my childrens and believe it or not, ill be fighting for your freedoms too.

My only hope at this point is that I am wrong, but I sincerely doubt it. They never listen