Owe the IRS? You're Not Going Anywhere (can't leave the country if you owe taxes).

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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 06:19 AM
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Owe the IRS? You're Not Going Anywhere


A new bill making its way through Congress could allow the federal government to prevent Americans who owe back taxes from leaving the country.

The provision is part of Senate Bill 1813, which was introduced by Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) in November and passed by the Senate on March 14 “to reauthorize Federal-aid highway and highway safety construction programs, and for other purposes.”

Those “other purposes” have come to include a little-known amendment recently introduced by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid that would allow the State Department to revoke, deny or limit passports for anyone the Internal Revenue Service certifies as having “a seriously delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000.”

While the provision does make exceptions if the debt “is being paid in a timely manner” or “in emergency circumstances or for humanitarian reasons,” it doesn’t require that a person be charged with tax evasion before having their passport revoked -- only that the IRS has filed a notice of lien or levy against them.

Constitutional Attorney Angel Reyes says that’s a violation of due process and is unconstitutional.


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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 06:20 AM
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Ok have the Democrats gone completely insane or what? What is there deal lately with trying to skirt the US Constitution by making their argument in policy form?

Boxer and Reid need to go, along with any other member of the government who feels the constitution means nothing. Make sure you let your representative know how you feel on this one..

Obamacare.... 2nd amendment.....travel within / across state / country borders....

I don't get it.. We should take up a collection to buy copies of the Constitution and send them to the federal government and tell them to read.
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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 06:56 AM
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Originally posted by Xcathdra
Ok have the Democrats gone completely insane or what? What is there deal lately with trying to skirt the US Constitution by making their argument in policy form?

Boxer and Reid need to go, along with any other member of the government who feels the constitution means nothing. Make sure you let your representative know how you feel on this one..

Obamacare.... 2nd amendment.....travel within / across state / country borders....

I don't get it.. We should take up a collection to buy copes of the Constitution and send them to the federal government and tell them to read


It wouldn't matter, Obama is a supposed constitution law... what exactly.. not professer like the media portrayed...
They all know when they are violating it.. they just don't care.

What should be held true for the citizens should also be for the government... and since the government is 17trillion in debt every member of congress's passports should be revoke.

Its disgusting the way that they are taking this country, next it will be indentured services "slave labor" that they will pass to all those in debt... then truely they will have the class warfare they are looking for.

These are not the droids you are looking for.
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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 07:14 AM
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The IRS is a domestic mafia.

Someone explain to me how this is freedom. You HAVE to pay YOUR earnings to the government. Doesnt matter if they waste your money on endless wars, doenst matter if they buy $2000 toilet seats, doesn't matter if they bail out their banker buddies. Whatever insanity they can think of.

If you decide to stop giving YOUR earnings to THEM, they will seize your assets, seize your bank accounts, garnish your wages and finally strip you of your freedom and imprison you.

That sound like freedom to you?

ONE man wants to end the IRS.





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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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If you owe $2,500 or more in child support, you are not eligible to receive a U.S. passport.

You should make arrangements to pay the state where child support is owed BEFORE you submit your application for a U.S. passport. All questions about your child support arrears or the status of a payment should be directed to the appropriate state child support e
nforcement agency.

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Nothing our reps do surprises me anymore

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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 07:24 AM
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Please, people. Stop slagging off Obama as the originator of your Constitutional woes. That started with Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. Surely you remember them.

Obama may be doing things you don't like, but he's not calling the shots. I daresay it's the same folks during the Bush years that are pulling the strings now. Obama's just having his day in the sun.

And really, think about how much worse things *could* be. Your downward spiral started with the campaign for US Prez 2000 and was replayed for your pleasure in 2004. You didn't catch it then either, did you? And at no point over those eight years did you notice your rights slip away with the Patriot Acts? No? Funny, eh?

Ask yourself now: Who are you going to vote for this time who is going to make things better? When seeking a leader, that's what you should have focused on all along. But you guys are so easily manipulated. Shortest memories ever.

Don't blame Obama. Blame the face in the mirror. That same face can save you, but not until you wake the eff up.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 07:27 AM
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Im not against income tax and being honest I dont really see a problem with this law/bill or whatever its called.

But as the poster above pointed out where they spend the money is an issue, if income tax is going towards universal health care, universal education, road maintenance etc etc its all good.

Going to banks and wars not so good

So to all of you who think income tax should be abolished where should the government get money from?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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How would they plan to enforce this? Someone fleeing the country because of taxes is not going to use a false name to book a flight? Are they planning to review passports when your leaving the country? What if I drive to Mexico or Canada and fly from there?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 07:45 AM
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National defense and infrastructure are OK with me...penis pumps and mosquito nets are not. Import taxes or tarrifs is how taxes should be raised.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by CosmicEgg
Please, people. Stop slagging off Obama as the originator of your Constitutional woes. That started with Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. Surely you remember them.

Obama may be doing things you don't like, but he's not calling the shots. I daresay it's the same folks during the Bush years that are pulling the strings now. Obama's just having his day in the sun.

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It started way before that. Obama seems to be expediting the process.

It is tough to blame the American citizen because we 'voted' these guys in office because elections are anything but fair and too many sheep will simply vote red or blue without doing any research on the candidate. It is an uphill battle to get a decent man or women elected.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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That may be true. But Americans shout "Democracy!!" up and down the corridors while completely and functionally unable to comprehend the concept. Like the cries of "Capitalism!!", they simply do not understand the fundamental responsibilities inherent in these systems.

I had someone here on ATS tell me that I am part of the reason things are going so badly in the US because I don't vote in the elections over there. Well, pardon me but I haven't lived there in a quarter century, though retaining my citizenship (it being my birthright and all). But I don't feel I have the right to influence your daily lives while I sit on another continent for decades on end. Am I being responsible or is this some form of disavowing my duties? I feel that your lives are your responsibility. My life is my own. I will not compound your problems by making choices on your behalf. YOU must do that. I haven't even been back there for a visit in 17 years, so my interference in matters that really do not affect me directly are hands off to me.

We make choices and we must stand by them. If your fellow countrymen cannot and will not take responsibility for their choices and the effects thereof, on whose shoulders does that rest?

You all love your drama, you love your tv shows. You cover elections like some sporting event. You're all about the mudslinging and the crushing the other guy. Just look back at the discussions on this forum of the last elections. Look how your fellow countrymen were talking! Like it's an EVENT, not a matter of life and death. You want your glitz and glamour. You want the silver-tongues, gilded with gold You want the guy who is going to talk trash. You want the guy who makes you feel like America is the final bastion of freedom and you won the lottery by being born there.

Well, if you don't make it so, it's not so. You have all made it what it is. If you vote for someone who stands for what you want your future to look like - minus all the empty promises and the outright lies and the pot shots at his opponents, if you want someone who will recover the dignity and promise that America once stood for and truly was a bastion of, then you will need to elect that person. You will need to raise those people in your communities and help them up through the ranks to that leadership position. But you don't do that, do you? You want that guy to sell you an illusion and you want to buy it! But it's illusion. It's empty and false. You have elected empty and false for how long now? Don't do it anymore. Not this time, not ever again. Don't do it.

If your bike is broken, stop riding it and fix it. Same goes for government. The IRS is part of the problem. Do something about it.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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So to all of you who think income tax should be abolished where should the government get money from?


The so called "Personal Income Tax" was created in 1913. The federal government was created in 1789. Are you under the impression that for the first 124 years the federal government operated on a volunteer basis and no revenue was collected?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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Im aware income tax is relatively new but have no idea of where its money came from before that.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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People tend to forget that any one can be accused of oweing taxes. Not just people who don't pay them. But anyone who has filed a tax return. The way computers are always being hacked anything could be added or erased. This is not about people who owe the government its about impeding the right to travel. They are shutting down the borders just like Russia , East Germany, China and other communist countries have done in the past. What does it take to get through peoples minds that those in charge are total communists following a complete communist agenda. All you communists, socialists are about to find out the hard way this is not about ideas but the hard reality of cold facts. How anyone could actually support after seeing the results around the world of what is to come is beyond belief.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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Perhaps a read of something along these lines might shine some light there for you.

They generate a LOT of other income too. There is no reason for taxes - any taxes - to be as exorbitant as they are now. This shows gross misuse by our "leaders" and government at large. We really must take this matter into hand and make them all accountable for every penny they take, everywhere in the world.

When the little country of Finland had their reconstruction after WW2, the income tax was 5%. There were hardly any people here but that's all it took to rebuild what was destroyed in that war. In a country of such great numbers as the US, and with all the hands and even greater wealth than Finland has ever seen, you shouldn't have much in the way of taxation at all. The fact is your government doesn't play nice. Change that.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
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Im aware income tax is relatively new but have no idea of where its money came from before that.


Congress has the complete and plenary power of taxation and can tax however and whomever they see fit. They do, however, have to simple rules they must follow. Before I tell you these rules, I will first explain there are two classes of taxation; Direct taxation, and Indirect taxation. Direct taxes come in the form of either capitation taxes (Poll tax) or property taxes. Indirect taxes come in the form of some specified activity in the form of tariff's, imposts, or excises.

The rules that Congress must abide by are that all direct taxes must be apportioned among the states, and all indirect taxes must be uniform across the several states.

Because apportionment is difficult, Congress tends to avoid levying this type of tax. It is in the category of indirect taxation that Congress has always been most comfortable.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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If 40 million illegal aliens can sneak in the country, a determined american can sneak out but why should they have to?. They are not the thieves the IRS is
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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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For the first 124 years the revinue was raised therough tarriffs mostly and the Gov was minimal.
I kind of want that again.
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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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Domestic Mafia is an understatement. The IRS has requested an additional 300 million in funding to hire about 4k agents whose job would be to enforce Obamacare....



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
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So to all of you who think income tax should be abolished where should the government get money from?


The so called "Personal Income Tax" was created in 1913. The federal government was created in 1789. Are you under the impression that for the first 124 years the federal government operated on a volunteer basis and no revenue was collected?





Have you been following the Supreme Court arguments on Obamacare? If so whats your opinion about the argument the Federal governments lawyer made? On day one they argued that it was not a tax but a penalty and on the following day they argued it as being a tax and not a penalty.

The reason I ask is I am seeing more and more that the position of the federal government / Obama administration is to argue their actions as being policies and not laws, removing Congressional oversight.





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