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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 03:46 AM
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Questions.


When you dream, do you just hear vivid noises?

And people that used to have sight and now dont, do you still see your dreams or do you just hear them now?




posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 03:54 AM
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...:.::.:...:::.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:04 AM
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reply to post by Frankenchrist
 


Erm, is this a joke?

Cause if it is, it is in bad taste.

vvv



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:10 AM
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reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


Why would it be a joke?

Its a honest question.


I know there is software for blind people that enables them to surf the web.



ATS has become over sensitive.

Forget it.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:15 AM
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reply to post by Frankenchrist
 


Sorry man. they cant hear (read) you.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:16 AM
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For real.


I want to know.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:23 AM
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Originally posted by Frankenchrist
For real.


I want to know.


How would a blind person use this site? How would they navigate the forums and compose posts? Unless they have someone there to read the posts for them and help navigate the site?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by Frankenchrist
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


Why would it be a joke?

Its a honest question.


I know there is software for blind people that enables them to surf the web.



ATS has become over sensitive.

Forget it.


This is a fact!

I used to work for a company that makes assistive technology for the blind, and YES, THEY CAN surf the web just like you and me!

Source:



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:26 AM
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Originally posted by IrVulture

Originally posted by Frankenchrist
reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


Why would it be a joke?

Its a honest question.


I know there is software for blind people that enables them to surf the web.



ATS has become over sensitive.

Forget it.


This is a fact!

I used to work for a company that makes assistive technology for the blind, and YES, THEY CAN surf the web just like you and me!

Source:



Word.

I knew it.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:31 AM
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reply to post by Frankenchrist
 


I think this is a very valid question derived from curiosity deserving of an answer.

Those of you ridiculing should be ashamed of yourselves. Contribute something worthwhile to the conversation why don't you?

As for me, I'm off to some search engines to see if I might find some answers to this question and bring them back.


Thank you OP. This is an interesting question.
In regards to some of the responses to this thread already, it would seem the answer to at least one of your questions, at least partially so, is 'YES' there are indeed blind people on ATS.
They can see with their eyes just fine, but it would seem there's a disconnect somewhere in the processing where whatever it is they see may as well be considered 'functionally blind' similar in some ways to those people that can read, but are functionally illiterate in the extent that they're incapable of understanding anything they read.

I'm off now to go find some sources about physical blindness and dreams.

Edit: I found this:

People who are blind do dream. The dreams of people who have been blind from a very early age (called “congenital blindness”) tend to be different from those who are blind now but had sight before. Those who are congenitally blind often have dreams that include more instances of sounds. Both groups experience dreams as imaginatively rich as those of sighted people.

Whether or not congenitally blind people dream in images has been studied, but the findings have been mixed – some studies conclude that congenitally blind people do not dream visual images, while other reports conclude that they do.


additionally, here's a paper done on the subject:
The Dreams of Blind Men and Women ...

As I understand it too, Hellen Keller addressed this topic at one point in one of her books discussing the topic of her condition. I'm still looking for a source on that.

Edit/update: Here's another paper on blindness and dreams with some quotations from Helen Keller:
Dreams of the Blind

Here's one quote from Helen Keller:

"My dreams have strangely changed during the past twelve years. Before and after my teacher first came to me, they were devoid of sound, of thought or emotion of any kind, except fear, and only came in the form of sensations. I would often dream that I ran into a still, dark room, and that, while I stood there, I felt something fall heavily without any noise, causing the floor to shake up and down violently; and each time I woke up with a jump. As I learned more and more about the objects around me, this strange dream ceased to haunt me; but I was in a high state of excitement and received impressions very easily. It is not strange then that I dreamed at the time of a wolf, which seemed to rush towards me and put his cruel teeth deep into my body! I could not speak (the fact was, I could only spell with my fingers), and I tried to scream; but no sound escaped from my lips. It is very likely that I had heard the story of Red Riding Hood, and was deeply impressed by it. This dream, however, passed away in time, and I began to dream of objects outside myself"


This is some very interesting stuff. Thank you again OP for bringing this topic up. It's been quite quite informative for me in engaging my naver sated curiosity.



edit on 7-4-2012 by nineix because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:41 AM
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In regards to some of the responses to this thread already, it would seem the answer to at least one of your questions, at least partially so, is 'YES' there are indeed blind people on ATS. They can see with their eyes just fine, but it would seem there's a disconnect somewhere in the processing where whatever it is they see may as well be considered 'functionally blind' similar in some ways to those people that can read, but are functionally illiterate in the extent that they're incapable of understanding anything they read.
reply to post by nineix
 


That passive aggressive stab was totally unnecessary really.

Furthermore, if the op stated in his opening post that systems might have been used to read the site, that is another matter. However, asking if blind people read this site, well really, that is just a little absurd.


vvv


edit on 7-4-2012 by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by nineix
reply to post by Frankenchrist
 


I think this is a very valid question derived from curiosity deserving of an answer.

Those of you ridiculing should be ashamed of yourselves. Contribute something worthwhile to the conversation why don't you?

As for me, I'm off to some search engines to see if I might find some answers to this question and bring them back.


Thank you OP. This is an interesting question.
In regards to some of the responses to this thread already, it would seem the answer to at least one of your questions, at least partially so, is 'YES' there are indeed blind people on ATS.
They can see with their eyes just fine, but it would seem there's a disconnect somewhere in the processing where whatever it is they see may as well be considered 'functionally blind' similar in some ways to those people that can read, but are functionally illiterate in the extent that they're incapable of understanding anything they read.

I'm off now to go find some sources about physical blindness and dreams.

Edit: I found this:

People who are blind do dream. The dreams of people who have been blind from a very early age (called “congenital blindness”) tend to be different from those who are blind now but had sight before. Those who are congenitally blind often have dreams that include more instances of sounds. Both groups experience dreams as imaginatively rich as those of sighted people.

Whether or not congenitally blind people dream in images has been studied, but the findings have been mixed – some studies conclude that congenitally blind people do not dream visual images, while other reports conclude that they do.


additionally, here's a paper done on the subject:
The Dreams of Blind Men and Women ...

As I understand it too, Hellen Keller addressed this topic at one point in one of her books discussing the topic of her condition. I'm still looking for a source on that.



edit on 7-4-2012 by nineix because: (no reason given)


If you think I was ridiculing, my apologies. I spent wonderful years volunteering for my local special Olympics, and studied (and practiced) Sign language in college. I do not yet know of a technology to allow full participation for the blind online, and I agree it is a shame.
But do not try to equate "functionally blind" to blind. That's more disrespect than I gave. My dad is legally blind, but is still allowed a drivers license and can read every thread on ATS I send him.

The Blind dreaming has nothing to do with this subject



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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reply to post by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
 


I'm pretty sure the statements and comments I was referring to were even less called for.
Of course, if you're not concerned about the quality of topic discussion, there are other forums around should that be something you prefer.

Please consider that on top of my criticism of posts offering nothing constructive to this topic, I have given a fair bit of contribution in answering the question.

Please feel free to make some valid contributions yourself.
edit on 7-4-2012 by nineix because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:56 AM
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reply to post by nineix
 


Thank You!!!


Im gonna read more.


Im a Polysomnographic Sleep Tech. I can tell when someone is dreaming by identifying brain waves and eye movement.

But I have never had a blind patient.

I would love to ask them personal things about this subject. Like nightmares, and the sence of evil in dreams.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Unless I am missing something the software you provided dose not allow for real time reading, but relies on printed braille?
Not the same as being an active member of this site. Sorry, but true.



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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Hello FrankenC!

To begin, I'm sorry that you are getting bashed for asking such an innocent question. Genuine people understand your question though, and realize that it was in no way meant to be mean. I don't know why people automatically assume the worst. Please don't be discouraged and think that you were at fault, you weren't. The fault lies with those who jump to conclusions. Having to continually walk on eggshells gets old really quick.

As someone has already mentioned, Yes, there are programs that allow a Blind person to interact with the internet. Actually, there is already a program on many computers which read websites out loud so that blind people can hear what is being written by others.

In regards to your question,I have wondered the same thing about Blind People and dreams. I have heard others wonder about it too. I am looking forward to hearing the experiences and answers from those who know. Thank you for posing such an interesting question!
edit on 4/7/2012 by Inconceivable because: Just being overly cautious to word things exactly so as not to be misunderstood by others...



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 05:24 AM
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Blind peeps can surf the web. There are a lot software interfaces out there that allow this and the OPs question is valid...



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Yes, if I take off my glasses, I can compete in the para Olympics! Without, I have to close 1 eye and hold my phone about 5cm away from my face. In the mornings I have problems finding them. Serious!
When I dream, I can't see properly, can't see peoples faces properly, no detail on anything. That though might be happening in everyones dreams.
Your question is not rediculous!



posted on Apr, 8 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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this is a curious question, there are no blind people that will read this thread of yours, but i have a my dad, that have a sight before and i honestly ask him, and he say yes,

conclusion:

if you are inborn blind person, you saw something in your dream but of course you hear voice,sounds. When a people was not a blind before they do see things that they already saw before.



posted on Apr, 8 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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reply to post by randomtangentsrme
 


Actually, some of the software available will read the text of the posts, and speak it out loud via synthesizer.

Then they could post with their braille keyboard...



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