Mail Bomb: The Republican Sabotage of the Post Office

reply to post by xuenchen

The 110th Congress (Dem controlled) could have done the same thing with the 1st stimulus in 2008. ????? Where were they ?

They should have done something then...but there is now a movement to change this....led by Bernie Sanders.

www.politico.com...

reply to post by David9176



Thanks for the link, David. I hope Senator Sanders can get the Congressional support he needs to save the Postal Service, (which includes the 200,000+ jobs).

Originally posted by David9176
The GOP purposely tried to make the USPS insolvent. Everyone should be outraged over this....i don't care what side of the aisle you are on.

They are not trying to make the USPS insolvent, to the contrary they are trying to do the exact opposite.
The benefits offered by the USPS are simply to high, as they are for nearly all government jobs. Pretty much every pension fund is unsustainable and will be collapsing soon. They could only work on ridiculous returns that were completely unsustainable in the long run. The banks created the idea these returns were sustainable and sold them worthless crap MBS and other such devices.

The country is dead broke, we are not the shining beacon on the hill, we cannot afford to give every postal worker any more of a retirement package that the average non union worker.

Reality is coming and you will learn the hard way how stupid your emotional appeals for the postal workers who cant get their lavish benefits are soon enough.

reply to post by David9176


The problem with liberals is that they tend to be of the low IQ'ed variety. The Republican attack on the Post Office isn't an attack on the Post Office; it is a direct attack on the American Postal Workers Union. That enables the Republican Party to indirectly attack the Democratic Party, as the Demoncrats receive a nice bit of campaign donations from the American Postal Workers Union.

Originally posted by korathin
reply to post by David9176

 

The problem with liberals is that they tend to be of the low IQ'ed variety. The Republican attack on the Post Office isn't an attack on the Post Office; it is a direct attack on the American Postal Workers Union. That enables the Republican Party to indirectly attack the Democratic Party, as the Demoncrats receive a nice bit of campaign donations from the American Postal Workers Union.

That's rich!

It is also an attack on an American constitutionally sanctioned institution and the American
Economy. It is also a way to illicit bribes, i mean donations, from private competitors.
The rich part is rural small town conservative communities will be the ones who suffer
the most when they have to pay two times more to send the same package dues to
their unfortunate locale.

Engineering failure from the inside, the GOP political mantra...

The Official GOP slogan
"If America is doing good, we aren't doing our job correctly!"

Originally posted by proximo

Originally posted by David9176
The GOP purposely tried to make the USPS insolvent. Everyone should be outraged over this....i don't care what side of the aisle you are on.

They are not trying to make the USPS insolvent, to the contrary they are trying to do the exact opposite.
The benefits offered by the USPS are simply to high, as they are for nearly all government jobs. Pretty much every pension fund is unsustainable and will be collapsing soon. They could only work on ridiculous returns that were completely unsustainable in the long run. The banks created the idea these returns were sustainable and sold them worthless crap MBS and other such devices.

The country is dead broke, we are not the shining beacon on the hill, we cannot afford to give every postal worker any more of a retirement package that the average non union worker.

Reality is coming and you will learn the hard way how stupid your emotional appeals for the postal workers who cant get their lavish benefits are soon enough.

When you learn how to read, read the OP and learn.

The country has been broken because the GOP have done it on purpose, you can starve the,
beast, you can feed the beast and give him a heart attack and you can steer him off
a cliff. That is the reality, we are broke do to purposeful mismanagement on behalf of those
who want humanity to be subjugated by private entities.

the GOP have set up everything so they can reap it from the people who are more vulnerable
in their attempt to "REFORM" and "FIX" things.

The FIX is in, that is for sure.

You better advocate for your neighbors, lest they will be competing against you next.

The GOP will not be happy until we are prying bones from toddlers to save America
from greedy toddlers.

Originally posted by proximo
The country is dead broke, we are not the shining beacon on the hill, we cannot afford to give every postal worker any more of a retirement package that the average non union worker.

So what does the post office have to do with the country being broke?

Reality is coming and you will learn the hard way how stupid your emotional appeals for the postal workers who cant get their lavish benefits are soon enough.

Those "lavish benefits" are paid for by stamps. If you do not want to give your money to the post office, don't.

Isn't that like totally one of those free market ideally thingies you all are always trying to pretend to be for?

Originally posted by korathin
reply to post by David9176

 

The problem with liberals is that they tend to be of the low IQ'ed variety. The Republican attack on the Post Office isn't an attack on the Post Office; it is a direct attack on the American Postal Workers Union. That enables the Republican Party to indirectly attack the Democratic Party, as the Demoncrats receive a nice bit of campaign donations from the American Postal Workers Union.

korathin, remember what this guy said back on page 2?

Quote from aching_knuckles:

Well what do you expect... You can post page after page of proof of the Republicans #ing us and the braindead jackwagons will just say "Oh yeh, well them damn librul Demacrats, its all their fault! U-S-A!"..see post on the first page. Seriously I dont know what to do in America anymore, the ignorance is so rampant.

Seriously, aching_knuckles is correct! You're just making his point and, as someone else said here, there's nothing wrong with a good benefits package.

If it weren't for unions, by the way, this country would've gone down the drain decades ago. Sometimes, conservatives act jealous of the Union worker, as if those people aren't working hard enough to suit you.

Well, they do work hard and should be justly rewarded for it. The vast majority of TPTB are "just barely' working, if at all. Why support the lazy, filthy rich fat-cats instead of the American worker? That's not right, man. I'm just being honest, korathin.

Well the USPS has been inefficient for a long time. If they were a privately run company, they would have been bankrupt and ceased operations long ago.

Consider the fact that in 1995 the postage rate for first class mail was raised from 29 to 32 cents.
At the same time UPS announced that they could deliver a letter for 13 cents. Less than half of the USPS rate.

It almost boggles the mind that a private company whose sole interest is to MAKE A PROFIT would state that they could provide the same service for half the price. When this government agency (that has a complete monopoly over mail less than 1 ounce) was charging twice the amount. Was it price gouging, or simply the fact that did/do not operate efficiently, and as a result are forced to charge more?

This example clearly shows that government in general can't do anything right. Especially when it maintains a monopoly.

It the USPS had some competition, they would operate far more efficiently. Unfortunately that is not the case.

For an example of how this actually worked in practice, do some research on Lysander Spooner and his American Letter Mail Company. His service forced postage rates to go down until it was shut down by the government wanting to maintain its monopoly. After he was forced out of business, USPO rates immediately went up.

I think the following quote sums it up perfectly.

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedies." —Groucho Marx

Originally posted by TheRedneck

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

While this bill was indeed a travesty of justice and an exodus from common sense, what is also an exodus from common sense is to try and blame it on a partisan issue.

HR22, The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, passed the House of Representatives on July 26, 2005 with a vote of 410 yea / 20 nay. Of those 410 yeas, 208 were Republicans, 201 were Democrats, and one was Independent. Of the 20 nay votes, all were by Republicans.

No Democrats voted against this; 20 Republicans did. Nancy Pelosi herself voted for the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act.

It is possible to deny ignorance without resorting to embracing ignorance in the process. Partisan politics is the height of ignorance.

All above data retrieved from the Library of Congress.

TheRedneck

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Thread over. The USPS should be phased out over the next however many years. I get one real piece of mail a week and 300 pieces of junk mail.

The final vote was held in the senate after changes were made.

Last night (12/8/06), at approximately 10:30 p.m., the U.S. House of Representatives passed H.R. 6407 (formerly H.R. 22 & S. 662), the “Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006,” by voice vote. A symbolic attempt to call for a recorded roll call vote was made by Representative Mike Pence (R-IN), outgoing chairman of the Republican Study Committee (RSC), but with virtually no support on the floor for his request, it was disposed of quickly. The legislation was received by the U.S. Senate after midnight today (12/9/2006) and passed by Unanimous Consent (no roll call vote) by the full Senate before that body adjourned sine die (end of session) at 4:40 a.m.

Nice, vote for such an important thing after midnight when all the dick heads have gone home.

Here's the press release from the lobby firm???

www.pinc.org...

Looking into it...

You can pay up to 1800% more, that is 18 times more delivering the same letter
with a private carrier (if you live in a rural area)

Dang

You sound surprised, of course business will charge more!! They spend all their time and efforts coming up with ways to rip people off, how can you be surprised.

Well, you can't blame the republicans

The hell we can't. They are traitors who want to see America become an aristocracy with 98% of us living as slaves. If you think this is bad wait till you see what happens when they get rid of social security.

Originally posted by braindeadconservatives

Originally posted by korathin
reply to post by David9176

 

The problem with liberals is that they tend to be of the low IQ'ed variety. The Republican attack on the Post Office isn't an attack on the Post Office; it is a direct attack on the American Postal Workers Union. That enables the Republican Party to indirectly attack the Democratic Party, as the Demoncrats receive a nice bit of campaign donations from the American Postal Workers Union.

That's rich!

It is also an attack on an American constitutionally sanctioned institution and the American
Economy. It is also a way to illicit bribes, i mean donations, from private competitors.
The rich part is rural small town conservative communities will be the ones who suffer
the most when they have to pay two times more to send the same package dues to
their unfortunate locale.

Engineering failure from the inside, the GOP political mantra...

The Official GOP slogan
"If America is doing good, we aren't doing our job correctly!"

The GOP isn't that creative. But they are observant and probably learned how to "destroy something form within" by watching the democrats. You know the whole rules for Radicals(Psychopaths is more like it)