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Originally posted by Gridrebel
YES.....I READ IT. The fact that the democrats have a big fat fail to do anything when they could have turned the whole thing around is the democrats FAIL. The ball was in their court for a heck of a long time and they failed to address this issue along with many others. So now, we get this:
Originally posted by braindeadconservatives
reply to post by David9176
All the talk about Cloward Piven... I think it is the right wing strategy to
engineer failure in the things they don't like, or to create long term situations
that ensure the outcome they are trying to facilitate. As you can see this
won't get any attention here because right wingers don't look at what they do.
Exactly what happened with Bush - "look away.look away..." Then come in
and terrify the once sleeping conservatives, so they will go out protest the
results of the policies the right wing politicians created. It is so simple
it is genius, blame your rivals for the things you do,
this seems to be an extreme case of that.
edit on 6-4-2012 by braindeadconservatives because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Gridrebel
So in 2009/2010, the Democrats maintained control of the U.S. Senate in the 2010 elections for the third consecutive Congressional session. The Democrats maintained controlled of the House until November 2, 2010
H.R. 22 (111th): United States Postal Service Financial Relief Act of 2009
111th Congress, 2009–2010
To amend title 5, United States Code, to reduce the amount that the United States Postal Service is required to pay into the Postal Service Retiree Health Benefits Fund by the end of fiscal year 2009.
Sponsor:
Rep. John McHugh [R-NY23, 2003-2009]
Status:
Died (Passed House)
Maybe my facts are wrong but I see this as a fail by the Democrats. Way back when.
Of course you see it that way, you are trying to create a reason to see it that way in your head so you don't have to challenge your beliefs. Nobody forced the Republicans to do that...
Rolando lays out the real root of the problem: "The problem lies elsewhere: the 2006 congressional mandate that the USPS pre-fund future retiree health benefits for the next 75 years, and do so within a decade, an obligation no other public agency or private firm faces. The roughly $5.5 billion annual payments since 2007 — $21 billion total — are the difference between a positive and negative ledger."
Postal Service management recently claimed: “If we were a private company, we would have already filed for bankruptcy and gone through restructuring—much like major automakers did two years ago.” NALC responded by calling this claim the "Big Lie." If the USPS were a private company, NALC argued, it wouldn't have been subjected to the pre-funding requirement and it would've been profitable, since the pre-funding requirement is responsible for 100 percent of the Service's losses in recent years.
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by braindeadconservatives
Of course you see it that way, you are trying to create a reason to see it that way in your head so you don't have to challenge your beliefs. Nobody forced the Republicans to do that...
Well this thread went no where. Then again, shouldn't be surprised. The character of this website has really gone downhill.
Obama birth certificate threads are far more important.edit on 7-4-2012 by David9176 because: (no reason given)
Exactly, privatize everything and make sure thirty people can make a few billion.
These people are completely clueless to what they really support when it is practiced,
it is truly the lose of any mental competency for the masses. Too dumb to even realize
1+1= 2
GOP
We want to make rich people richer!
Once the rich people get richer and everyone else gets poorer they can't even put it
together, really.
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by braindeadconservatives
Exactly, privatize everything and make sure thirty people can make a few billion.
These people are completely clueless to what they really support when it is practiced,
it is truly the lose of any mental competency for the masses. Too dumb to even realize
1+1= 2
GOP
We want to make rich people richer!
Once the rich people get richer and everyone else gets poorer they can't even put it
together, really.
Amen, and the rich people they're helping aren't doing anything for America, they're extracting their wealth and ferreting it away in offshore locales and not contributing anything back to America, not even their share of taxes. It's like the Mob bosses have taken over and are burning down the business to extract every last dime from it before abandoning it. This 2006 mandate is just another in-your-face dismantling of the working class.
Guarantee that if the GOP forced Exxon-Mobil to pre-fund their employees pensions 75 years into the future, you'd have Exxon looking "unprofitable" too.edit on 8-4-2012 by Blackmarketeer because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by mikellmikell
My thought s why worry about the post office let them implode . They have to make money to survive should we give them welfare we see how well thats worked out with the public
Pre-funding pensions sounds reasonable to me. If you're going to guarantee payments to former employees (give pensions), you should have the money to do so, no?
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer>snip<
In other words, the GOP congressional mandate in 2006 to pre-fund pensions for 75 years was created to force the USPS into the appearance of "not being profitable". Their goal is obvious - privatize the USPS, so we can all start paying $5 to mail a letter across town.
The solution to the current USPS solvency problem is simple. CHANGE THE 2006 MANDATE and make it the same as applied to FedEx or UPS. They aren't forced into such a ridiculous mandate.
Funny thing is that FedEx and UPS do not offer the same services the USPS does, and are prohibited by law from doing so. Only the USPS can deliver normal, regular mail. It is a federal offense for anyone other than the USPS or the resident to access a mail box.
USPS is still a great bargain for mailing a letter compared to FedEx or UPS, and especially when compared to mail delivery in Europe. Americans don't appreciate how cheap our mail delivery is. For-profit services like UPS also aren't saddled with the burden of maintaining an office in every single remote zip code across the states. No matter how 'backwater' and remote a zip code is, there's a postmaster and a post office. UPS and FedEx would never cater to unprofitable locations like that.
Let the USPS charge the going market rate for delivery, end this insane 75-year funding mandate, and watch how quickly the USPS becomes profitable again.
Operationally speaking, the USPS nets profits every year. The financial problem it faces now comes from a 2006 Congressional mandate that requires the agency to “pre-pay” into a fund that covers health care costs for future retired employees. Under the mandate, the USPS is required to make an annual $5.5 billion payment over ten years, through 2016.