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Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by XPLodER
Lets take a page from history, and see what a movement can do to the political arena:
When Ghandi was working towards freeing the people of India, there was already a movement with no real leader, that the people backed or supported. He came onto the scene, and the people of India followed him, and his ideas on how to force the British out of India. He followed what the people wanted, but at the same time, leading the country to be free, against all odds, even working against his own people.
But lets look at something closer to home. Martin Luther King Jr, had an effect on the people. He was not well known, but saw injustice, and lead a movement, speaking for everyone who was oppressed to gain civil rights and the removal of the laws that were unjust.
In each case both leaders were willing to die for their cause, willing to take the praise and accept responsibility for those in the movements, even when others did not think that they should. The goals were very clear cut as were the leaders, who were willing to give everything to see it through to the end. And the world is a better place for it.
The OWS is misguided and does not represent anyone but themselves, ultimately will fail again, cause there is no leader, no goals, save that which is misguided as they go after the symptom, not the cause. Like a poor marksman, they keep missing the target.
history has lessons to be learnt when the beast is "hidden" wall street runs the govenment and the govenment has special standing to concider,
ant to improve the economy and things, then go after those who really caused this problem, the very government that is suppose to keep tabs on this and who are suppose to govern wisely, instead of following the special interest group.
Originally posted by sdcigarpig
reply to post by XPLodER
Here again, you point out the symptom, yet fail to see the root cause of the problems.
The reality is that you can not do business in the United States of America, without the approval of the county, city, state and even the federal governments. They call they shots, they set the rules and dictate how business must be done. They have done such for years, far longer, close to over 100 years.
Taking your points:
1) Insider Trading: That is not only against the law, but those who are caught are subject to prosecution. However, there are a few in congress, senators and US representatives (Who have been caught and were not prosecuted)
2) Last time I checked, all legislation requires that some one in government actually sign off on such. Playing to the constituents who donate and or vote seems to be the order of the day. Perhaps if politicians were not so worried about such, then just maybe they might be able to get something done.
3) Draw attention and education to how the financial crash was for profit? There is nothing in the law that says that banks have to back those who were given loans. They are entitled to hedge against said loans. That is of course federal law.
4) So are you saying those who should not have been given credit or a loan, should not have been? Seems like that at the time, the pressure was on Washington, and the regulators to loosen up the rules to allow for those who could not afford and should not have been given loans, were pressured into doing such.
5) State banks and all banks that run in the US have to deal with a set of rules and laws the govern them, or they can be shut down by the government.
6) Yes it was the very same government that allowed this to happen, however, in the end with all of the facts in, there are a few that was not accounted for:
The facts that the best minds can come up with is that this was caused by the deregulation of the banks and easy credit. People who should not have been given loans or that easy credit. This causes inflations and ballooning of the different markets, that later started to collapse and burst. Combine that with competition among the lenders and it further led the problems.
You mention cooperation’s, yet fail to mention those who are multinational, and do not pay taxes, could that be a problem as the tax code allows for such?
DOD, DOJ and DHS, yet there is no indication that any of those has any real impact on business, save that the DOD is one of the largest employers, and keeps some industries and communities alive with paying a civilian work force to do tasks, that further leads to an economic stability and upturn in the local communities, the DOJ has to take the time to prosecute and investigate criminal activity, and the DHS, well who knows about that.
Ironic that while the symptoms of a bloated government are pointed out, there seems to be no mention of some of the current policies that have come out where the salaries of some of the department heads have skyrocketed up to obscene levels in the federal government, where that of the private sector doing the exact same job, is less. There is no outcry over the waste on the part of the government, shall we go back to the days where the oversight is not so diligent and the various organizations can get away with say, the 50 dollar hammer and 40 dollar screw driver?
All of the problems that are mentioned go back to the legislative body in the various levels of governments, as they do set the rules and hold the purse strings for the country. If they are corrupt, and set the rules, is it wrong that a company or a bank plays by those rules?
Originally posted by beezzer
We, as a culture, haven't reached our "breaking point" yet. To artificially promote such an action is irresponsible and doomed to failure.
there is no greater tyranny than that which is perpetrated under teh shield of law and in the name of justice
congress shall make NO LAW abridging the right of the people pieceably to assemble
Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.
Outside legal spheres, the word "traitor" may also be used to describe a person who betrays (or is accused of betraying) their own political party, nation, family, friends, ethnic group, team, religion, social class, or other group to which they may belong.
Yes it was the very same government that allowed this to happen