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Van Jones group plans American’s “Arab Spring” revolt

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posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 08:07 AM
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Having read the article the following can be stated:

This is not going to go well, as they think that they are on a crusade to save the American people, only that they will not. They did not break wall street, nor did they put a stop to the corporations. All they did was become a nuisance, and draw attention from the issues at hand. They want something for nothing, yet when push came to shove, they gave up, due to the weather. They try to link or associate their movements with those before them, yet fail to see that in the past, when there was movements, the people that were apart of that movements, not only stood for something, but stuck with it, through thick and thin, and did not even stop for say the winter or weather.

The OWS movement was used as a political tool a pawn and the reality is that there are very few politicians in office that are good for the country, both sides are rotten, with very few that are there to do their job, or even try to do their jobs. And what will this accomplish, a movement, where it will be organized by one of the biggest special interest groups, namely the UNIONS, for more political power to further harm the country and economy? How does harming another persons job aid in their goal for change? How does having a movement with no stated goals actually succeed where it matters the most, with the 99% that they claim they are representing?

Van Jones, if he is going to lead this group, in an American Spring, leads one to wonder, are they going to be like the other failed groups that he was a part of, say the Weather Underground, that declared war against the USA and use violent tactics to try to promote change again? Would you want to be a part of that group, or any group that would advocate violence or even have it on the table, as a means to an end?

If he is involved, then it is going to fail, it is going to fail, cause he is radical and ultimately is going to further divide the people of the country, cause all he is after is more power and position to try to get his agenda forced onto the country. The OWS group was a farce, if you look at all of the waste coming out of DC, yet they are not up in arms about say one government group spending 4 dollars a shrimp at a function, or wasting time and money to try to find a place to hold a convention. Or even looking at the very politicians that they are backing and wondering, in the case of some, how they could have pretty much been playing by a different set of rules, or lying to the people on how well a government agency is doing when it was going bankrupt. The country needs honest politicians, ones who are going to do something unique, like tell the truth. Not give big campaign promises that they can not keep, or just say things that the people want to hear.




posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 11:33 PM
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Its most recent attempt to co-opt our movement is by scheduling a “99% Spring Training” by a MoveOn front group called “99%Spring” on April 15, 2012 at the same location and time where Occupy the East End has been holding its General Assemblies since the group formed in October of 2011. Occupy the East End delivered an unprecedented unanimous block—every OEE member at the GA issued a personal block—to a MoveOn representative who “asked” OEE to participate—after MoveOn had scheduled the event. The MoveOn rep refused to change the date or time and informed OEE that “you will be taken over [by MoveOn] whether you like it or not.”

We cannot be bought! We will not be co-opted!

Moveon.org is a political lobbying organization that routinely backs Democratic candidates and was originally funded by the billionaire George Soros. MoveOn.org is considered the “lead lobbying group” for Obama’s reelection campaign, and has overt ties to various Wall Street entities.
Occupy the East End is in no way affiliated with MoveOn.org, nor does it wish to become so. The attempt to take over OEE is a hostile takeover attempt to capitalize on the Occupy movement as a whole. Occupy Wall Street and Occupy the East End as a movement rejects the political system as a broken structure that needs to be overhauled from the bottom up.


source

occupy has nothing to do with lobbying or politicians,
take another look

xploder



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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I did, if the Unions are involved, the it is nothing more than a political tool.
Most Unions are tools and pawns of the political process, and by the Unions coming out in support of the OWS, along with the countless others who are heavily involved in politics, or special interest, then there is always that specter of it being used for political maneuvers. Oh right now, they may say no, but the reality is that the stated goals are all political in nature. The OWS protest is like the medical system, it goes after the symptom, but not the cause. The OWS is protesting against the very economic engine, yet the same engine that drives the economy is governed by the rules set up by: The State and US governments, local and federal rules and legislation.

When Political figures and well known lobbist, along with the UNIONS got involved, it ceased to be a protest against economy to become a political tool and pawn.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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your view of the situation is EXACTLY why they are trying to use the tactics of occupy
OCCUPY is not political in the govering sence,
you are CORRECT to be sceptical of the politicians and maby the unions,
but occupy is above that.

they will not be subverted.

NON POLITICAL
try as they might they will NOT prevent the exposure of union politics and political motives behind van jones.
he is not acociated with or has any favour with occupy

they are desperate for control to the point of looking desperate.
thing is in a democracy ANYONE can protest.

protected in the founding documents of the country is the right to protest,
this is as much as a media attack to provide people with an excuse to BELEIVE this is co-option

DONT fall for the tactic of deceiet from van jones he is trying to devide and concour

occupy is unity

these are my own humble thoughts and dont represent occupy is any way shape or form

xploder



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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I do not trust the occupy group, nor should anyone. This protest, this group of people who have no goals, have no support from the majority of the people that they are trying to help. They have no goals, and those goals that they put out, well all of such goes back to the problems in the Government, and the laws that are enacted. They seek to punish the successful, and at the same time reward those who do not deserve it. And ultimately, they lost the PR war when the first act of violence came out that they threw the first punch. They were not fully innocent or angels, none of us are. A leaderless and movement without goals, is doomed to fail from the get go. They try to link with other movements in the past, yet fail to understand that those in the past, those great movements had 2 things that they refuse to have, an actual viable goal and a leader who speaks with one voice for all in the movement. And to make matters worse, those who are involved in politics are ultimately involved in the OWS movements, thus leading to more suspicion that it is just a political movement, and further adding into the division of the country.

If this group, this OWS had a leader or even several leaders, and viable goals, as well as a willingness to take responsibility of the entire group, and that it is proven that it is peaceful, where they do not raise a fist, throw an object and at the same time observe all of the laws, then it would gain the support that it needs.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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Nothing like a good ol commie plan to overthrow Capitalism.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Nothing like a good ol commie plan to overthrow Capitalism.


at least you agree with me,
those commie politicians socialistic bailout of the 1% is the most anti democratic thing i have ever seen,
and occupy points this out to people,
so who are the socialists?

xploder



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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considering you are parroting the MSM naritive i will not ask you why you dont think the message is clear
OCCUPY WALL STREET TILL THE CRIMINAL BANKERS ARE PROSICUTED.

its right there in the fracking name
OWS till arrests are made

lol
nice1
xploder



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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you are so used to politics,
cant you see this is not about running like a political campain for politicians,
its about the people


If this group, this OWS had a leader or even several leaders, and viable goals, as well as a willingness to take responsibility of the entire group, and that it is proven that it is peaceful, where they do not raise a fist, throw an object and at the same time observe all of the laws, then it would gain the support that it needs.


it is gaining support as we speak, the "we need a leader" crowd are not really understanding what the difference between a movement and political party is

the individuals are the leaders, the establishment WANTS a leader to try to buy them or silence them,

OCCUPY WALL STREET TILL THE BANKERS WHO CRASHED THE ECONOMY ARE JAILED.

xploder



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Nothing like a good ol commie plan to overthrow Capitalism.


at least you agree with me,
those commie politicians socialistic bailout of the 1% is the most anti democratic thing i have ever seen,
and occupy points this out to people,
so who are the socialists?

xploder


Well Jones is a self-avowed communist who turned to communism in jail. That is well known since it was exposed in the media. There are tons of socialists and communists running around the various Occupy groups. They talk about overthrowing Capitalism over the open mic. Ive heard it. They talk about direct democracy which would usurp our Republic. They want to change our country to a socialist democratic model.
Of course Van Jones was once part of the Obama admin as an unelected czar. That should be so comforting to the Occupy people.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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I'm sorry, I'm lost in the sauce here. What is wrong with Van Jones & what's his agenda.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 11:16 PM
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Well Jones is a self-avowed communist who turned to communism in jail. That is well known since it was exposed in the media. There are tons of socialists and communists running around the various Occupy groups. They talk about overthrowing Capitalism over the open mic. Ive heard it. They talk about direct democracy which would usurp our Republic. They want to change our country to a socialist democratic model.
Of course Van Jones was once part of the Obama admin as an unelected czar. That should be so comforting to the Occupy people.



you do realise that in a democracy in a free assembly, you cant PICK AND CHOOSE who attends?
do you realise that not everyone is a socialist?
have you seen the decision making procedure?

is it democractic?

you are worrying about democracy userping the bought and paid for congress?
or the justice system the refuses to even CHARGE a single bank CEO?

is democracy really whats important here?

the republic nature of america is DEMOCRACTIC and not as in the party,

at the moment 1% of the population has bought your reps,
and they dont give a toss about democracy ONLY POWER AND MONEY.

xploder



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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Its just someone trying to smoke us out.Nothing serious or effective.Maybe it'll make some people feel good.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 08:26 PM
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Funny how you claim the bankers are the problem, yet fail to see the root cause of the problem and that being the politicians, the unions, community organizers, and ultimately we the people were the cause of this problem.

Business require the permission of the government, and bankers require the permission of the government and is highly regulated. Funny how there was a cry that there was not enough credit and the regulations that were there to govern the running of such were removed to allow for an easier time for people to get more credit and those who should not have been given loans were. This lead to an inflation of the housing markets and the credit card industry. All of this cause there were those that thought it was unfair that people who should not have qualified for any loans or credit cards, were not able to get access to such. And then there were the people who were already paying for houses, automobiles and other things that decided that they wanted more. All along every one was spending, and not worrying about the future. Now the bills are due and the consequences for their actions are coming to fruition.

So how is it that an industry that requires, oversight and regulation, from the government, how is it that they are at fault for following the law? After all if they break the law, they go to prison, so that is pretty much written into the law.

No it is not business, as all businesses have to follow the laws that regulate and govern them, ultimately it is not their fault. We can not punish those who are successful as they are the drive of the country. While it may seem to be unfair that the CEO’s make more money than anyone else, as they have more responsibility than anyone else in the different cooperation’s. And they answer to the share holders who ultimately hold the power to either fire or keep a CEO in power.

So if the bankers are corrupt, then based off of the laws, the government is definitely corrupt and those who are suppose to be regulating them are equally corrupt if not more. And if they are wanting change, then they have to go after the root cause, the government, not the bankers, not the ceo’s but the very people who are making the laws that allow for this to happen. And as the OWS group fails to do that, they are nothing more than following a political party.

It was ironic, that when both of the federal government agencies that offer mortgages, went belly up, that the OWS group did not go and protest or do an occupy on those agencies or the senators that were there to run them. These were the same senators who claimed not more than a few months early that they were good to go. Kind of makes you wonder, why such was ignored.

And the meaning and goals were never clear, as I did not take such from any news agency, but the very websites that were set up by the OWS.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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Nonsense. How many "Americans" comprised the loyalists during the revolutionary war? History teaches us it was about 20%, with some periods of as much as 30% or more, and up to a THIRD undecided. Oddly -- these numbers are very similar to the current paradigm of D's versus R's with independents in the middle. The American revolution was successful, from the point of view of the patriot / revolutionaries -- no? Ergo -- the only thing that changed are the names of the teams themselves and the brand of hot dogs sold at the ballpark.

There has never been a moment in the history of the US where representation was so effectively bought and sold by a power elite -- except for the moments leading up to the revolution. What you don't understand is that 30% KNOW FOR SURE that we are NOT being represented by the current paradigm, and 30% of the rest aren't very sure (they never are!)

The fact that the rest of them think they are "in" and on the path to full participation at the crooked table notwithstanding. The other 2/3 are always going to be arrayed against them.

Once you grok that -- then you can ask "who profits?" from the patronage system as designed. The answer to THAT question will demolish your belief in the fake "R" versus "D" paradigm altogether, to everyone's benefit -- save the one tenth of one percent who own everything, and manipulate the rest against each other for fun and profit.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Well lets take a look at that:

Lets take a page from history, and see what a movement can do to the political arena:

When Ghandi was working towards freeing the people of India, there was already a movement with no real leader, that the people backed or supported. He came onto the scene, and the people of India followed him, and his ideas on how to force the British out of India. He followed what the people wanted, but at the same time, leading the country to be free, against all odds, even working against his own people.

But lets look at something closer to home. Martin Luther King Jr, had an effect on the people. He was not well known, but saw injustice, and lead a movement, speaking for everyone who was oppressed to gain civil rights and the removal of the laws that were unjust.

In each case both leaders were willing to die for their cause, willing to take the praise and accept responsibility for those in the movements, even when others did not think that they should. The goals were very clear cut as were the leaders, who were willing to give everything to see it through to the end. And the world is a better place for it.

The OWS is misguided and does not represent anyone but themselves, ultimately will fail again, cause there is no leader, no goals, save that which is misguided as they go after the symptom, not the cause. Like a poor marksman, they keep missing the target. They want to improve the economy and things, then go after those who really caused this problem, the very government that is suppose to keep tabs on this and who are suppose to govern wisely, instead of following the special interest group.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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I got a bad feeling about the occupy movement. Somohow I think it is supposed to be like th Arab spring. Everybody has good intentions, but the chaos that insues can be directed at de-stablizing the government. Just keep in mind the goal of the Elites is to collapse America.

Just look at Greece and the middle east. Everybody rioting in the streets, smoke bombs, # getting broken. Then next thing you know we get Marshall law.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but this occupy makes me nervous about what it can turn in to. Not what it is supposed to be ideally.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Planning, training and "financing" is not needed.

Unless people haven't been paying attention, America is in the worst economic decline since the great depression, millions are unemployed, millions are either homeless or on the cusp of becoming homeless, millions are without hope for the future. The "American Dream" is long dead.

That is all the motivation the people need.

When you throw in the fact that the insanely wealthy are running everything from your cities to your government, and not facing any of the problems the people are, and getting richer by the day, you have a revolution in the making.

Bring it on, I look forward to this organic movement growing stronger and finally destroying the ridiculous two headed corrupt monster running the USA. Hopefully once they are defeated the military coup that took place in America decades ago will finally be exposed and something can be done to remove the generals from running the show and destroying the planet for their own insane greed.

Now all we need is the same kind of movement in the UK, and we're very nearly there. Unless our government changes course in the next six months I imagine that we will follow this model and have our own English Spring.




posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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I'm not real worried about Martial Law, honestly. I mean -- the most powerful army in the world is having a hell of a time "containing" Afghanistan, and Afghanistan is slightly smaller than Texas. Do you honestly believe every single Military person plus about 500,000 cops could constrain the entire nation under Martial Law for any length of time?

Because I think they would be sitting ducks with huge supply line problems, to be perfectly honest.



posted on Apr, 11 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by jim3981
I got a bad feeling about the occupy movement. Somohow I think it is supposed to be like th Arab spring. Everybody has good intentions, but the chaos that insues can be directed at de-stablizing the government. Just keep in mind the goal of the Elites is to collapse America.

Just look at Greece and the middle east. Everybody rioting in the streets, smoke bombs, # getting broken. Then next thing you know we get Marshall law.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but this occupy makes me nervous about what it can turn in to. Not what it is supposed to be ideally.


The chaos only ensues when the government tries to end peaceful protest.

And when you look at those other countries, you are seeing a microcosm of what is happening on the ground. There might be riots on the streets of Athens, but elsewhere in the country tourists are still enjoying the ruins, locals are still on the beaches, people are still going about their business and protesting in their own ways. The entire country is not in melt down.

All political movements face challenges, but those challenges only really become violent when the government tries to change the rules and becomes an authoritarian regime.

And if that is the case, would you rather bury your head in the sand and let things continue to be run by corrupt cartels of corporations, constantly robbing you until there is nothing left for them to pick from your bones, or would you rather suffer a few months or years of instability?

I would rather face the latter and have the hope of finally living in a true democratic nation where our elected work for the people rather than their military generals and corporate backers.



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