reply to post by CLPrime
However, the best evidence is in the Book of Revelation itself. John is told that the 7 heads of the beast are 7 kings. At that time, five had
fallen, one was, and one was to come for a short time, to be followed an eighth who would be the "revival" of the beast.
If five had fallen, then those five would have been Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero (the beast that was).
The 8th would have been Domitian (the beast coming up out of the Abyss). The seventh was Titus, who reigned for just two years (certainly a short
The king who was reigning at that time, then, was Vespasian. He ruled from AD 69 to 79. John had to have written somewhere in there. "
If you start with JULIUS Caesar, you can get a different config : Julius / Augustus / Tiberius / Gaius / Claudius & THEN Nero. You don't get to
Domitian for a while (although the book was being copied out by hand during his reign too & was re-doctored at that time - despite the
Deuteronomistic warnings of non-tampering !
Why issue a warning ('to him who adds words to this text, may the plagues listed herein come upon him' etc.) if the process had not started ?
That at least would account for the abrupt marginalia that creep in here and there in the text and ruin not only Aramaic poetic underlay (mainly Qinah
Metre) but also the logic (naturally).
Don't overlook the pause in the fighting in 69CE during the 1st Failed Jewish War against Rome following the death of Nero - even the Dead Sea
Scroll Zadokite Zealots hid their scrolls in caves 1-11 in June of 68 in the first part of the War - so the War Scroll for them had deeper meaning - &
'Revelation' echoes the Warrior Hymns in 1QM (and anti goyim language !)
e.g. New Psalms Singing etc.) & despite the hope in the Book that Rome would be overthrown by YHWH (like the War Scroll says)- a War when the Jewish
Messianic warriors LOST more than 900,000 persons according to Josephus (by 72 CE think of Masada) - 'internal evidence' indicates (from the text)
that the JEWISH WAR is still raging - & about to go into its 2nd & most deadly phase - but that there was STILL hope of Victory of the Warrior Messiah
in White & the book overtly glorifies Jihadist Warrior Male Virgin 'righteous' freedom fighters & martyrs who are bodilly resurrected 'after 3 and
The year 69 CE was the 'year of the 4 - Emperors' ('Nero, Otho, Galba & Vespasian') so one has to be careful about counting horns & getting to
Domitian so fast !
How one slices the list of horns coming-going & wounded & disappearing & reappearing etc is open for debate (off topic, alas !!) &. If 69 CE is the
year the book appeared, at what month in CE 69 was it written / cobbled together /re-written?
Does one include Galba or just Otho? Or do you count BOTH Galba AND Otho ? or do you add Vespasian? do you add Julius Caesar? etc.
The reason we seem to have gone off on a tangent here is not because Revelation is cool in & of itself but because (within the confines of this
threadlet topic) of Revelation chapter 11 - which shows the Martyrdom of the Two Preachy Messiahs which are resurrected & 'exalted' to the right
hand of the Most High after THREE & ONE HALF DAYS (counting a time, two times and half a time of Heb. Daniel) by literally ascending in to Heaven in
front of the 'watchers' (cf: In that Day the Watchers shall quake etc.)
And behold, when the 1260 Days of their Testimony was ended
Behold, the Abba Doq’on rose up from the Smoky Abyss
In order to wage un-holy war against them :
And lo, both of them suffered a cruel Death
Even the horrible suffering of the holy Martyrs
Even at the Hands of him who rose from the botom of the Pit.
And lo, their Corpses lay unburied
Even in the midst of the open Streets of the Holy City
Yea, exposed without their being placed in Graves :
And lo, they lay there exposed to the open air
Even for a set Period of times
Even Three & One Half Days & Nights .
... ... etc.
For the Two Martyrs had pronounced oracles of evil against them
Even during the period of 1260 Days
Which constituted the times of their Combined Preaching :
And behold, after Three & One-Half Days was fulfilled
Behold, the Breath of Life from EL returned to them
And re-entered the Corpses of the Two Martyrs who were slain.
And lo, they both stood up alive breathing
And great Terror fell upon the Watchers
And a mighty shaking seized all those who looked thereon :
And those looking heard a Qol from Heaven :
And it spake saying : Ascend now, My Righteous Ones,
Even to your assigned places in Heaven !
And lo, the Two Martyrs began to ascend
Even high up into the Firmament of Heaven etc. etc.
This thread started out about the 9am, 12noon and 3pm 'liturgical' marking of hours in the 2nd gospel - and has morphed a bit off track with 3
days & nights !