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reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 02:44 PM by tsurfer2000h
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Also, did you notice that when she started out the vehicle was toward the other side of the road, they veered into her....


To be honest we cannot see a traffic signal so we do not know who had the right of way. Although there was oncoming traffic that is evident in the video. There was also what looked like a van parked on the side of the road that they may have been trying to avoid,but I can't say for sure as I can only go by what is seen in the video. I will say this again I do not defend their actions but I can't pass judgement on this video alone.


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 02:49 PM by Vasa Croe
Originally posted by GuidedKill
This is what it sounds like to get shot at. I hear none of these sounds in the OP video...



That doesn't do much for the OP's argument. We simply saw a clip of a video, both in the OP and the one you posted. We do not know what happened prior to the clips. They could have been fired on just like in your clip and were trying to get out of the area and back to a base. There are reasons for driving fast in a convoy...your video gives a perfect example for why. While there may not have been shots heard in the OP video, there is no telling what happened prior to the video or if there was a emergent situation they were headed to.

Simple fact is we don't have ALL the facts and are jumping to conclusions on both sides of this argument.


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 02:51 PM by GuidedKill
reply to post by Vasa Croe


Correct we don't have all the facts about the OP video but we do have the fact that the last video I posted they were 100% attacked and even then I didn't see them hit another car and definitely not a person even though both were present and they were trying to escape.


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 02:55 PM by Vasa Croe
Originally posted by GuidedKill
reply to post by Vasa Croe


Correct we don't have all the facts about the OP video but we do have the fact that the last video I posted they were 100% attacked and even then I didn't see them hit another car and definitely not a person even though both were present and they were trying to escape.


There also wasn't the crowded street presence in your video. Different scenario's justify different tactics. I am sure if the streets had been crowded in your video and they were being fired upon, there would be no hesitation to gas it and push cars/civilians out of the way. Let me ask...if you were on a crowded street in your car and someone started shooting at you what would you do? Would you gas it and try to avoid people and cars to the best of your ability or would you sit there and allow them to kill you because you were worried about the safety of the others around you because you are in traffic?


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 02:57 PM by Vasa Croe
Originally posted by GuidedKill
reply to post by Vasa Croe


Correct we don't have all the facts about the OP video but we do have the fact that the last video I posted they were 100% attacked and even then I didn't see them hit another car and definitely not a person even though both were present and they were trying to escape.


It is also quite obvious from your video that those firing on the US caravan could care less about the safety of their own civilians in the street.....


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 02:58 PM by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by GuidedKill




Correct we don't have all the facts about the OP video but we do have the fact that the last video I posted they were 100% attacked and even then I didn't see them hit another car and definitely not a person even though both were present and they were trying to escape.


The only problem is that not every incident is the same. So it is hard to compare one with the other.



reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 02:58 PM by GuidedKill
Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Originally posted by GuidedKill
reply to post by Vasa Croe


Correct we don't have all the facts about the OP video but we do have the fact that the last video I posted they were 100% attacked and even then I didn't see them hit another car and definitely not a person even though both were present and they were trying to escape.


There also wasn't the crowded street presence in your video. Different scenario's justify different tactics. I am sure if the streets had been crowded in your video and they were being fired upon, there would be no hesitation to gas it and push cars/civilians out of the way. Let me ask...if you were on a crowded street in your car and someone started shooting at you what would you do? Would you gas it and try to avoid people and cars to the best of your ability or would you sit there and allow them to kill you because you were worried about the safety of the others around you because you are in traffic?


If it were me I would be there to fight. In that case I would move the vehicle to a position of defense and get out and shoot back. I mean whats the point of going to war if all you do is run at the first sign of a fight. I mean if were all gonna run anyway why don't we run all the way back to the US.


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 03:02 PM by Vasa Croe
Originally posted by GuidedKill
Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Originally posted by GuidedKill
reply to post by Vasa Croe


Correct we don't have all the facts about the OP video but we do have the fact that the last video I posted they were 100% attacked and even then I didn't see them hit another car and definitely not a person even though both were present and they were trying to escape.


There also wasn't the crowded street presence in your video. Different scenario's justify different tactics. I am sure if the streets had been crowded in your video and they were being fired upon, there would be no hesitation to gas it and push cars/civilians out of the way. Let me ask...if you were on a crowded street in your car and someone started shooting at you what would you do? Would you gas it and try to avoid people and cars to the best of your ability or would you sit there and allow them to kill you because you were worried about the safety of the others around you because you are in traffic?


If it were me I would be there to fight. In that case I would move the vehicle to a position of defense and get out and shoot back. I mean whats the point of going to war if all you do is run at the first sign of a fight. I mean if were all gonna run anyway why don't we run all the way back to the US.


I could be wrong but I think earlier you stated you are a marine, and as a marine in a combat situation riding in a convoy this is what you were trained to do? Stop your car, get out and return fire in a hostile environment/situation?


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 03:03 PM by GuidedKill
Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Originally posted by GuidedKill
reply to post by Vasa Croe


Correct we don't have all the facts about the OP video but we do have the fact that the last video I posted they were 100% attacked and even then I didn't see them hit another car and definitely not a person even though both were present and they were trying to escape.


There also wasn't the crowded street presence in your video. Different scenario's justify different tactics. I am sure if the streets had been crowded in your video and they were being fired upon, there would be no hesitation to gas it and push cars/civilians out of the way. Let me ask...if you were on a crowded street in your car and someone started shooting at you what would you do? Would you gas it and try to avoid people and cars to the best of your ability or would you sit there and allow them to kill you because you were worried about the safety of the others around you because you are in traffic?


What are you talking about. In the second video where the lady gets hit there are only three people in the video. The lady who gets hit is one and two others come to her aid. In my video I count at least 15 people in the video. Well more than triple amount of people present then the second video showing the lady get hit.


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 03:04 PM by GuidedKill
Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Originally posted by GuidedKill
Originally posted by Vasa Croe
Originally posted by GuidedKill
reply to post by Vasa Croe


Correct we don't have all the facts about the OP video but we do have the fact that the last video I posted they were 100% attacked and even then I didn't see them hit another car and definitely not a person even though both were present and they were trying to escape.


There also wasn't the crowded street presence in your video. Different scenario's justify different tactics. I am sure if the streets had been crowded in your video and they were being fired upon, there would be no hesitation to gas it and push cars/civilians out of the way. Let me ask...if you were on a crowded street in your car and someone started shooting at you what would you do? Would you gas it and try to avoid people and cars to the best of your ability or would you sit there and allow them to kill you because you were worried about the safety of the others around you because you are in traffic?


If it were me I would be there to fight. In that case I would move the vehicle to a position of defense and get out and shoot back. I mean whats the point of going to war if all you do is run at the first sign of a fight. I mean if were all gonna run anyway why don't we run all the way back to the US.


I could be wrong but I think earlier you stated you are a marine, and as a marine in a combat situation riding in a convoy this is what you were trained to do? Stop your car, get out and return fire in a hostile environment/situation?


I never said I was anything more then recruited by Black Water several years back. You simply asked what I would do and I told you.


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 03:05 PM by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by GuidedKill




If it were me I would be there to fight. In that case I would move the vehicle to a position of defense and get out and shoot back.


Even if you do not know who is the enemy. Remember insurgents blend in with the locals as a way to not be noticed.So how do you tell civilian from those trying to kill you? And I know the obvious answer is the one carrying the AK or RPG.(sorry just a little humor) but really you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.


reply posted on 6-4-2012 @ 03:07 PM by GuidedKill
Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
reply to post by GuidedKill



Even if you do not know who is the enemy. Remember insurgents blend in with the locals as a way to not be noticed.So how do you tell civilian from those trying to kill you? And I know the obvious answer is the one carrying the AK or RPG.(sorry just a little humor) but really you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.


You answered it for me. I would shoot the one shooting at me. Pretty simple really. I mean you hear the shots. We even have technology these days that tell exactly where the shot came from. Wouldn't be to hard to figure out.
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