Jesus and God and/or the Son and the Father are certainly not the SAME.
Jesus asks God (Eli or Elah, not Abba) why he had forsaken him.
Jesus prays to the Father to let the cup pass his lips, but if that is not the will of the Father, then he will follow the Father's will.
Jesus says that it is evident to those who do God's will, that the doctrine he teaches is of God (Theos, not Pater), and not his own.
Jesus speaks about the Father that sent him.
Jesus says that there is some knowledge only the Father knows (such as the exact Day or Hour)
Jesus says that the Father is greater than him (in fact, he also says that the Father is greater than ALL).
Jesus is referred to the SERVANT of God.
Paul says that Jesus was a man approved by God (Theos again, not Pater), and God did miracles through him.
Most tellingly, and giving a clear picture of the relationship between himself, his brethren and God/Father, Jesus tells Mary Magdalane to tell the
others that he will ascend to his Father, and their Father, and his God and their God. Is Jesus ascending to 2 different people?
Now I suppose one could attempt (you'd really need to twist some verses to do it) to weasel their way out of this by using metaphorical passages to
claim the absurd "Jesus is the ARM OF GOD", but then...Paul would disagree... According to Paul, God (Theos again, not Pater) is the head of Christ.
And if one were to take THAT literally...well, you end up with a very strange anatomy. I'd suggest that you're trying to liken God to one of those
asexual plants (where you can make a cutting, plant that cutting somewhere else, and it'd grow into a new plant- in this case Jesus), but I'm worried
you'd actually take up that analogy seriously and run with it :O, which would be troublesome, because it STILL doesn't fit with the rest of the
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