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Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers

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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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Senate Bill 1813 was introduced back in November by Senator Barbara Boxer (D-Los Angeles) to “reauthorize Federal-aid highway and highway safety construction programs, and for other purposes” .
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In addition to authorizing appropriations for federal transportation and infrastructure programs, the “Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act” or “MAP-21″ includes a provision that would allow for the “revocation or denial” of a passport for anyone with “certain unpaid taxes” or “tax delinquencies”.
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However, there does not appear to be any specific language requiring a taxpayer to be charged with tax evasion or any other crime in order to have their passport revoked or limited — only that a notice of lien or levy has been filed by the IRS.


Why bother building a fence when the government just flatly says you can't leave? We may be looking at a situation where the IRS is given yet another God-like power to infringe on the rights of American citizens.




posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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Fair trade. They can have my passport...I never pay taxes again....


Des



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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While I doubt that this proposal will be effective in collecting delinquent taxes, I disagree with the concept of depriving people of the right to travel based solely on a claimed debt.

Sounds like it may be time for me to renew my passport one last time.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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It appears they're going after people who owe in excess of 50K in seriously delinquent back taxes. I don't think a lot of people will flee the country for that amount. On the other hand,.you really shouldn't be flying to Aruba for vacation if you owe in excess of 50K in back taxes.

Senate Bill 1813

(Page 1447)


``SEC. 7345. REVOCATION OR DENIAL OF PASSPORT IN CASE OF CERTAIN TAX
DELINQUENCIES.

``(a) In General.--If the Secretary receives certification by the
Commissioner of Internal Revenue that any individual has a seriously
delinquent tax debt in an amount in excess of $50,000, the Secretary
shall transmit such certification to the Secretary of State for action
with respect to denial, revocation, or limitation of a passport ...



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Guess I'll have to swim across the Rio Grande.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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That doesn't bother me. It is the rich slick bastards that will owe the IRS yet jet around for fancy vacations.

And after all, isn't it a basic understanding that paying taxes is a responsibilty of each citizen? And if you have a judgement against you by the IRS, shouldn't you be working to get that settled one way or the other rather than planning a trip to some foreign country?

Oh, I can hear the squealers....
Such protesters are no better than the welfare entitlement folks. All of them want something for nothing.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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In lieu of sending armed IRS enforcers to kick in your front door and shoot your dog?
Or having the national guard camp out around your house for weeks wasting more dollars than they'd collect?

Cool.

It should be painfully obvious how bunk taxation is when the government is willing to spend 10 times the amount of the debt they would collect.

It's not about revenue. It's about you doing what you're told.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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It is the rich slick bastards that will owe the IRS yet jet around for fancy vacations.


The rich, slick bastards generally don't owe back taxes... they figure out how to legally avoid paying their taxes.

I think the 50K level is a bit low, but they want to leave the doors open to mess with the widest population possible.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Aliensun
That doesn't bother me. It is the rich slick bastards that will owe the IRS yet jet around for fancy vacations.

And after all, isn't it a basic understanding that paying taxes is a responsibilty of each citizen? And if you have a judgement against you by the IRS, shouldn't you be working to get that settled one way or the other rather than planning a trip to some foreign country?

Oh, I can hear the squealers....
Such protesters are no better than the welfare entitlement folks. All of them want something for nothing.


The problem is that those "rich slick bastards" you describe aren't the ones that will be impacted, because if they're that rich and slick, they would have gotten around owing those taxes in the first place. You claim that the only reason for people to travel internationally is for vacation, but I'd guess that a huge number of international travelers do so for business... you know the thing that you have to do to make the money so you can get raked in tax debt to surrender to the US government.

If you want to take it upon yourself to be a "responsible citizen" and comply with the tax scam that's your prerogative. I'm tired of compulsory blackmail and theft of my earnings to fund illegal wars and pork barrel spending.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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The part that gets me though is that the IRS doesn't even have to charge you for Tax Evasion for them to get your passport. It can simply say you owe this much and that is that. What kind of accountability is that?



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by FSBlueApocalypse
The part that gets me though is that the IRS doesn't even have to charge you for Tax Evasion for them to get your passport. It can simply say you owe this much and that is that. What kind of accountability is that?


Considering the amount of identity theft these days. I would think this will be as big a boondoggle as Obamacare.

I'm sure there will be many court filings on the Constitutionality of this, seeing as the IRS is not a valid government agency.
IRS is a part of the U S Treasury . yet it was created by the Federal Reserve which is a PRIVATE group of bankers .

Des



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 05:05 PM
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Another thread was posted a few days ago concerning this, but now I'm not sure if it's the same bill:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by mayabong
Guess I'll have to swim across the Rio Grande.


It's not that deep. In most places you can walk across with out even getting your ankles wet.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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This is not a shock to me. It is the evolution of previous legislation. Did we all forget that at first this was done to anyone who owes more than $2000 in child support?



posted on Apr, 7 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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All totalitarian political systems restrict the rights of their people to travel. I look forward to the day when American athletes at the Olympic games or professionals in international conferences defect and beg for asylum in the host country.



posted on Apr, 10 2012 @ 05:11 PM
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This bill has already passed the senate. Please contact your representatives in congress and instruct them to vote no for senate bill 1813 before it is too late.
If you do not act now soon some ignorant socialist congressman will introduce a law to take away your drivers license for some frivolous reason. They may revoke your drivers license if you do not pay your student loan. Seriously it will happen if this bill becomes law.
Also instruct your representatives to vote no for any bill that limits freedom for Americans.
Everyone knows the problem with the deficit is spending. You could take away everyone's passport and driving license and you still would not be able to fix the deficit.

Any snitch or whistle blower can complain to the IRS and cause the IRS to start a dispute, file a lien and now revoke your passport. This government is really turning into a repressive regime against American's right to liberty and the pursuit of justice. This amendment needs to be defeated now.

These soviet style tactics of limiting peoples freedom is going to backfire. As was in the other repressive societies the wealthy and middle class people will just leave the USA permanently and start paying their taxes to another country that does not have soviet style repression. As you should know this is already
happening. Many wealthy and middle class people are already leaving the USA.

This bill is causing stress and strife in the country and polarizing the American people. This is never a good situation.

It is not uncommon for small business owners to have tax disputes with the IRS in excess of the $50,000. With the exorbitant IRS penalties and interest a dispute of $5000 can easily turn into a dispute of more than $50,000 very rapidly. Many American mall business owners with tax disputes need their passport in
order to do their international work to pay their taxes. This amendment to senate bill 1813 giving power to the IRS to revoke your passport takes away an Americans right to fight disputes with the IRS. This amendment needs to be defeated now.

This amendment to give power to the IRS to revoke your passport will damage the already weak travel industry. This amendment affects all people, people will be scared to travel, they will be worried that the IRS will suddenly send a letter in the mail, put a lien on your assets and revoke your passport. The IRS does not give notice of tax liens. The IRS will not give you notice of the revocation of your passport, it will just happen without you knowing it. You could be stranded somewhere and not able to return to the USA. Small businesses could also lose business when their employees are not able to travel.

Please instruct your representatives to focus on the problem of spending and stop these repressive tactics that accomplish nothing but the polarization of the people.

Seriously soon some ignorant socialist congressman will attempt to take away the drivers licenses of the American people for some frivolous reason that will accomplish nothing and further erode American values and pride. I assume they will soon revoke all the driving licenses of Americans that cannot afford to pay their student loans. I am sure this will happen.
There is an ever growing erosion of American pride and an ever increasing embarrassment of being American. Bills and laws that limit American freedom and erode American pride are making the USA the laughing stock of the world.

When I see attachments to bills like the one giving the IRS power to suspend or revoke an Americans right to travel it makes me sick. It makes me feel embarrassed to be an American. Please try to stop the politicians from destroying our country.

Also Instruct your representatives to initiate a bill that makes the ability to travel a right and not just a privilege so the politicians will never be able to do this repressive act in the future. I don't want the government of my country to be able to limit travel and control Americans like other repressive governments. I want to be free and proud of my country the USA.
Also please instruct your congressman to talk to other congressman to stop this bill from becoming law. The links to contact your representatives.
writerep.house.gov... www.senate.gov...



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