SHTF...Real guns VS. BB Guns.. lets end this!, page 6


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reply posted on 11-4-2012 @ 09:00 AM by Mustard2243
reply to post by RickGrimes



In the UK it can be quite hard work to get a firearms license, so 9/10 air rifles and pistols would have to suffice. However as much as i love my air rifle i would feel much better off with an actual firearm, both ways of doing things have their merits.


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 01:56 PM by TKDRL
reply to post by AGWskeptic



Really? That looks like something worth looking into. No moving parts to service, making usable darts is probably easy too.


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 02:23 PM by Gazrok
reply to post by captaintyinknots



I'm totally with this poster.

And, if it's a cost issue, consider the cost of .22 ammo. Pretty cheap. You could likely get around 550 rounds for under $20. Also, you're not factoring in the cost (or availability) of those CO2 cartridges.

We used to use BB guns as kids to play guns (we wore a couple of jackets, and yes, we were pretty stupid), so I have ZERO fear of being shot by these things. And yeah, if it was pointed at me (so I could see the opening of the barrel), I'd tell the BB gun from a real one in a second. MAYBE you could kill someone with an eye shot (not me, I wear glasses a lot), but I wouldn't bet my life on it.


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 02:49 PM by AGWskeptic
Originally posted by Homedawg
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post by indigo21



HE calls them pros...I don't see them that way over a 12ga and,again,what will you do with it when you can't get gas any longer?Throw it at a quail?


While I agree that a .22 is better than a BB gun, it is only marginally better than a pellet rifle, which you can get in .22 caliber. A CO2 rifle would be foolish, as the cylinders tend to leak out once punctured and you need to use that cylinder up before it leaks out. The single pump good quality air rifles ($300 and up) will last a very long time, and the ammo is much lighter than .22 ammo.

My full bug out kit has both, and .22's are well represented. I even have one that is accurate up to 500 yards.


i86.photobucket.com...


Granted my full bug out kit is my RV, so it's bigger than most.
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reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 02:58 PM by AGWskeptic
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to
post by AGWskeptic



Really? That looks like something worth looking into. No moving parts to service, making usable darts is probably easy too.


I bought mine 15 years ago at Northern Hydraulics, think it was $20 for the 72", $15 for the 48". But I see them all over now, lots of sporting goods stores are carrying them. The selection of darts is pretty good, from cheap pointed steel tine to tungsten with little broadheads.

Not much good against a person, but good for small game if you practice enough.

We played around with making homemade darts, but the store bought ones were so cheap it didn't pay. I'm sure a good homemade replacement could be found in a survival situation though. We had pretty good luck with heavy copper wire and mini marshmellows.


reply posted on 12-4-2012 @ 04:53 PM by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by indigo21
reply to
post by captaintyinknots



You completely ignored all pros of BB guns offered by OP


I didnt ignore them, there simply isnt one single pro of a bb gun that cannot be had by another, more universal, weapon.

Ill gladly address any points brought up.


reply posted on 19-4-2012 @ 03:39 PM by daskakik
reply to post by RickGrimes


I think that an air gun is a good idea. You may not have take down large game or fend off looters regularly but you will probably have to take small game on a daily basis.

One of the things that I learned while checking out what would work best is that people hunt large game with handguns. Pistol Hunting For Whitetails is a story of someone who has had better luck than many with a rifle. He uses normal .357 Mag rounds and keeps the shots under 20 yards.

I started looking around for what that meant and this is what I came up with: CCI .357 has a 158 grain bullet and a muzzle velocity of 1150.This is around 456.5 fpe at the muzzle and at 20 yards it has 449 fpe. That is less than half of the 1000 fpe cited as the least for a humane kill. This gentleman says that all but one of the deer he has hunted dropped on the spot. The runner got to 60 yards and dropped.

Having a S&W .40 I was interested what its numbers would be. I went to ballisticsbytheinch.com and using a Trajectory plotter I figured that the handgun I have could be called upon to do the same, as long as I do my part. A .40 hunting round out of a gun with a 6 inch barrel has 450 fpe at 145 yards.

I also came across a guide for modding a Crosman 1322. A $55 dollar multipump pellet gun. Modded and using heavy pellets it can put out 13 fpe. According to Field use of an airgun 8 fpe at the target will take jackrabbits. That would be 60 yards with the modded 1322.

A Crosman 1322 with 2000 25gr pellets weighs 9 lbs. The ruger 22/10 alone weighs 9.5 lbs and with the same number of rounds would weigh 24.5 lbs

I think a large caliber handgun with 50 rounds and an air pistol would cover both small and large game. Finding a way to shoot arrows with the airgun would cover mid sized game without wasting handgun ammo.
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