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Their giving Nobles to ex-SS now?Wth?No Skyfloating i did not know that.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Has anyone mentioned that Gunter Grass was once a member of the elite Nazi SS?
I reckon not.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Has anyone mentioned that Gunter Grass was once a member of the elite Nazi SS?
I reckon not.
Grass was born in the Free City of Danzig on 16 October 1927.
Grass attended the Danzig Gymnasium Conradinum. In 1943 he became a Luftwaffenhelfer, then he was drafted into the Reichsarbeitsdienst. He volunteered for submarine service with the Kriegsmarine "to get out of the confinement he felt as a teenager in his parents' house" which he considered - in a negative way - civic Catholic lower middle class.[3][4] in November 1944, shortly after his seventeenth birthday, but was not accepted and instead was drafted into the 10th SS Panzer Division Frundsberg [5]. With the Panzer Division he saw active combat from February 1945 until he was wounded on 20 April 1945, captured in Marienbad and sent to an American prisoner-of-war camp. His homecountry was taken over by Soviet and Polish administration and he thus was not able to return home, finding refuge in western Germany.
Originally posted by nusnus
reply to post by longjohnbritches
Perez was probably one of the most peace loving Israeli president (and PM) in its entire history. Thats why they gave him the peace price in the first place....edit on 6-4-2012 by nusnus because: (no reason given)
Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai declared Sunday that German Nobel laureate Gunter Grass has been banned from traveling to the country. Last week Grass published a poem critical of Israel and its policies.
Nobel prize winner means nothing. It doesn't make his/her views any more valuable then any one else's. Obama winning a nobel prize pretty mush seals any validity/nobility the prize had. IMO
Originally posted by thinks
Israel declares Gunter Grass persona non grata
Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai declared Sunday that German Nobel laureate Gunter Grass has been banned from traveling to the country. Last week Grass published a poem critical of Israel and its policies.
HAHAHA
What a bunch of egotistic spoilt brats...
They obviously can't handle criticism very well.
One little truthful poem about Israel and he's banned from the country.
Originally posted by Siddharta
There is nothing in that poem, that sounds "anti-semitic" at all.
It is about the political situation in these days and the problem that nobody dares to speak out the truth.
It is an important discussion for Germany, I think, because more than others Germans are denied to critizise anything that has to do with Israel.
Grass even says this in his poem and the reactions show that he was right. Now there are voices from all parties, saying he is an anti-semite, an all-time nazi, trying to change the roles of victims and aggressors.
Nothing of that is the case. Grass always was known as an author who "writes against the neglect". Now he suddenly is the opposite? I read a few of his books and they all were very clear about the German past. Nothing of what they try to make of him now.
It is still the problem, that Israel may not be critizised. And Germans have no right to talk about Israel at all.
The question is, how long shall this be the status quo?
Originally posted by yourmaker
I can't believe we are still arguing over whether they are good or not...
OF COURSE they are a threat to world peace...they claim to be god's chosen people while the rest of us are just considered goyim. on top of that they hold a nuclear arsenal with no oversight, which they feel they can use at any moment and be 100% justified in their actions BECAUSE they are god's people...
Originally posted by nusnus
reply to post by longjohnbritches
Well I'm not talking from assumption here. He WAS the most peaceloving since he tried so hard to establish peace between Israel and Palestinians and thats why all three, Yaser Arafat, Peres and Yitzhak Rabin received the same peace prize.
On that same wikipedia page of him you can see that he is against a military action in Iran, that he is an optimist and not a pessimist and that he distanced himself from West Bank settlers.
So these are all facts that lead me to believe he truly wants peace. But I suppose he could be regarded as an exception to the hard liners of Israeli politics. The majority of them do not compromise when it comes to settlers or land.