Everyone DOES understand why there can't be an Armed Population?

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

yes.....as you said....we have detected that something IS wrong with our society......also, when I take the brood to bearcountry for a hike or hunt.....I keep grizz killing hammerhead loads designed for dangerous african game.
maybe you never like to hike....huh!

reply to post by Homedawg

The idea of an Armed American Citizenary is drawing more and more attention.

Friend, you speak as though an armed population is only an idea, in reality, it is a truth, we already are an armed populace, and have been sine the inception of the American Homeland.

"For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so,
a well organized and armed militia is their best security."
(Thomas Jefferson)

An armed citizen is a more confident person.He/she feels they can handle things themselves without asking for help and that confidence carries over into all aspects of their lives,thus making them LESS dependent on the Nanny State of the Liberal Utopia.

Exactly so. I know I feel more confident with a big gun on me, and I have never liked the idea of a Nanny State, even thought my entire income comes from such a State. I would much rather have a job, and work every day. I miss those big paychecks on Friday, and the things I could have with that money. I miss that great insurance too, paid for both my kids, and over a million dollars in operations for me.
So, I am dependent on the State, and yet it is a love/hate relationship.

You know, I was holding off the purchase of my next gun....until I saw this post. I'm going out today to buy a taurus 9mm with a 15 round magazine......and I think I'll pick up a couple of hundred rounds of ammo.

The only good outcome here is; when the revolution starts, we'll (those of us with the guns) be able to easily dispose of all those who don't have any.....

Here is my thought on this. The laws are mostly about saving people from themselves.

Their are many here on ATS that have grown up with guns, or because of employment or military duty have learned how to handle a firearm safetly. But the average citezen has no clue. Face it our socialty has changed. Through the years we have depended on government security to protect us.
Then when you get people who think there rites are being taken away, pick up a gun. More than likely they do not really understand how to handle a gun or what the laws are.
Understanding the law does not mean a person knows how to properly handle a gun safley.
Understanding how to handle a gun safely does not mean a person understands the law.

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
The whole culture of guns being acceptable needs to change, its no longer the wild west, you no longer need to protect yourself from Indians and cattle rustlers.

Step into the 21st century guys

The ignorance expressed in this post is unbearable.

Starting with perpetuating statist memes.

There's nothing 21st century about going back 21 centuries. If the freedom of individuals to commerce as they please without looking for permission from the tribe frightens you then i'm sure there are services that provide cushioned rooms with no windows and pictures of rainbows and bunnies carefully tacked on the ceiling so as not to offend your overly-sensitized psychologism concerning the physics of the natural world.

Originally posted by crappiekat

Then when you get people who think there rites are being taken away, pick up a gun. More than likely they do not really understand how to handle a gun or what the laws are.
Understanding the law does not mean a person knows how to properly handle a gun safley.
Understanding how to handle a gun safely does not mean a person understands the law.

I find most law abiding citizens who own guns do get trained and training is encouraged whenever you purchase a new gun - in most places. This goes hand in hand with learning the laws of gun ownership and proper legal use. It is more likely the criminals will not get this training or understanding of gun laws.

If you pick up a gun for the first time and refuse to learn the law and get trained then your just Stupid.

reply to post by crappiekat


I have a license to carry conceal a handgun.I had to
take classes,pass a written test,pass a shooting test
and pass a background check.
I know how to safely handle a firearm!

reply to post by JohnPhoenix

AGREED!
Good grief there are parents out there that are giving their teenagers guns without any proper training. ( Because they grew up with guns and it's there right?) Kids killing kids.

Come On!! Where is common sense?

Yes law abiding citizens. But do they really understand how to handle a gun or how to train someone else.

reply to post by crappiekat


My 15 year old grandchild has been using hunting rifles
for a long time.

Lets not forget that the local police forces that are there to protect and serve us are not always on the street corners like they used to be.
Police forces all over are being reduced leaving more and more citizens to take up the slack. In our area if you have a break in or some vandalism that happens the police will not even respond to take a report.

I myself have patrol our small area of the world when I get a call of a stranger has been seen (mainly after dark).
I haven't had to pull my gun or shoot at anyone yet, thank God, but if needed i would do what is needed to assure that I and my family would not be harmed.

We live in a very rural area so strangers stick out like pimples on your nose. So anyone that is not family or a friend of our families become person of interest, not a threat until that situation arises and will be faced by whatever force is needed, if any.

But, just because I own guns and am a Marine vet, doesn't mean I want to shoot someone, but just want to assure that in the time it would take for the police to show up, if they show up, no one dies on my watch unless my gun is pointed at you.

reply to post by mamabeth


I learned how to shoot when I was 12. But I did not have open access to any firearms or amo. And I had no clue of the depth of the gun laws until I was over 18. My family was very safety alert when it came to guns. However when it came to teaching my own boys how to shoot and handle a firearm I went to the pro's We went through extensive training with boy scouts, and law inforcement.
There are too many people out there that think they know everything and don't think getting outside training is a must.

Being the teacher of anything is a very important one.

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff

In every country criminals have access to guns easy enough yet no where else in the world do gun deaths come anywhere near the total that they do in the US.

That is so incorrect.

There were literally hundreds of thousands of gun related deaths in Iraq in the last 10 years.
Same in Afghanistan.

There were thousands of gun deaths in the revolutions throughout the Muslim world this last year.

There were millions of deaths throughout African nations off and on throughout the last few decades.

We could go on and on. The USA may have some gun violence but it's no where near as widespread and horrific as places like Liberia have been recently.

How could the USA be more dangerous than a place like Liberia or Somalia?

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


The member abecedarian refuted your post with actual facts. Murder rates are higher in Countries with strict gun control.

You have yet to refute that member.

Americans are killed by lone gunmen because Americans refuse to arm themselves. That recent college campus shooting would not have happened if both faculty and students alike carried firearms.

I am a college student. If I am ever on campus when someone decides to start shooting up the school, I will have no means to defend myself because I do not carry a gun. Even if I did, I would not be allowed to carry it on campus.

I do not care about what you think, I have every right to defend myself. Every human being on this planet has the right to defend themselves, but we have been convinced that if a person even attempts to they are some sort of criminal.

That's absurd. People train in martial arts for the same reasons that they train with, and carry firearms, but I have never once heard of legislation to ban martial arts.

Honestly though, if guns were wiped off the face of the Earth, I would just begin carrying a sword instead.

abdicating to a 'higher power' - not a good idea.

Brits - care to weigh in?

for myself - 'an armed society is a polite society.'
should rocks be outlawed.

if you want a good laugh watch the Brit movie 'Take back the Block' or something like that - the kids are supposed to be weaponing up - so they put knives into their backpacks.

You know before guns became widespread in Europe, that war still existed and that it was quite widespread.

Since they didn't have guns, what they did was get axes and swords and chopped each others arms and heads off. They used bows or crossbows to fire arrows indiscriminately into large bodies of men. Etc.

Look the problem with murder isn't guns, because it existed before guns were invented.

The problem is the human entity, the inner workings of the mind. It is within us.

It is not an object, it isn't cultural either. It's human nature. And that is what we have to come to grips with, our own nature.

Claiming that 'guns are the problem' is extremely simplistic and will never solve the real problem, that humans go nuts and make really stupid choices in bad situations. I don't really even think there is a legitimate way to prevent all murders, that would be impossible. You cannot control every human all the time...

We might as well try and cope with our own nature and just try to educate others about the follies others have made and hope that they can learn from the mistakes of the past. That is the best we can do. Getting rid of guns will achieve nothing positive, killing will still happen just with different weapons.

Originally posted by dalan.
Honestly though, if guns were wiped off the face of the Earth, I would just begin carrying a sword instead.

Or a bow and arrow, until someone creates another weapon that fires projectiles, re-name it, market it, and then we get another thread about the same thing with a different name.

The problem isn't to do with guns, it's the psychology concerning guns. When the citizen-dictator can't handle conflicting information, unpredictability, or uncertainty, there will be a direct correlation with the size of the biggest gun on Earth, the State. The more uncertainty/lack of knowledge in a particular market, the larger the probability of a bigger state presence in that particular market.

It's the economic equivalent of god of the gaps (or, in this sense, government of the gaps).

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
And yet we still have tyranny.

Oh, I'm not saying we shouldn't continue to be able to bear arms. I'm just saying they found a loophole and established a big, fat fascist tyranny anyway....

At least with an armed population you can fight back when things get way too bad which does not seem that far off now.
And i say this as a person who lives in a "socialism paradise" country called Norway where even cops don't wear arms.

Gun owners always exhibit one or both of the following behaviors:

1. Scared out of their minds of being robbed/jumped/stabbed/assaulted/shot/maimed/mauled/bludgeoned/terrorized
2. Eager to kill someone (Even if its just self-defense fantasy)

What did they do to be so afraid? Can't fight? Live on the most dangerous block in the world? Got beat up in school? Who are you so afraid of?

reply to post by DaTroof

You paint with a very broad brush my friend. There are many people in the world that know how to use a gun and are knowledgeable in the the laws. It would be the one's that fail in the common sense area that I would be refering too.

Remo Williams don't need no guns!