Everyone DOES understand why there can't be an Armed Population?

Originally posted by Homedawg
As long as we are able to be equal,the tyranny can get no stronger

What are your guns useful for.. to make you feel powerful and wait for the NWO to come to your home so you can "wipe their ass"? (assuming that you'll be in big enough numbers to resist a Waco-like raid)

Well look at the facts, many Americans have been posturing like this for decades, and what have you got? One of the worst fascist tyranny on the planet, with unarguably the strongest, well-guarded police/military apparatus.

For you see, it's not guns that can keep these crooks at the city council, or Federal Reserve, or Congress to plot against the people. It's COHESIVE and OFFENSIVE political action.

There's no better thing than civil war fantasies, aside from division politics, to get people into NOT being involved and NOT organizing and supporting each other.

Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with guns and self-defense when it's necessary. It's just that tactics are not strategy, and tools (weapons) are not work (or war).

Guns, by themselves, aren't that much of a big problem. They can be found by other means than legal, even in countries where there is gun control...

Good to see the Americans are arming themselves though. There's definitely a civil war build up, but I hope this will not end with tens of millions in private prisons (labor camps).

over 5million guns a month are being sold nation wide... it seems a lot of people agree.

The OP - as well as a good number of "anti-gun" posters on this thread COMPLETELY miss the argument - the "gun" issue, just like many OTHER issues in the news lately, is about one thing - FREEDOM. I don't care if YOU, the current Administration, or anyone else thinks I don't NEED a gun - I only care if I think so. Why? Because this Country is about the power, exceptionalism, and rights of the INDIVIDUAL. Maybe there are those of you who need a lesson in history - see, about 400 years ago there was this group of people who got tired of a group of "Elites" in Europe telling them what they should be doing/thinking/saying. So this Brave, Intrepid group of people decided that instead of living under this yoke that they would strike out on their own - to be FREE. They set off in ships that carried them to a new world where they could live free of this group of "Elites". About 150 years later, after that "intrepid band of Freedom Lovers" had their perfect new land taken over by the same greedy "Elites" that they had left behind in Europe, there was another group of Freedom Lovers who decided that they had had enough and kicked the Old World Elites out. They crafted a document guaranteeing that their perfect new land and the people that lived there would never suffer the same fate as the people living in Europe. Those people established the United States of America, a Country founded on Life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of Happiness - now all you "progressives" want to dismantle the very system that gives YOU the FREEDOM to post on this forum. You seem to want to take us back 400 years to a system of government where nothing happens except at the behest of the "Elites" who govern you. Newsflash - You are losing YOUR personal freedoms day by day - with a Federal Government becoming more in control of everything that you do. Ask yourself this (since alot of posters seem to be complaining about the current state of affairs in the US), has this Government intrusion made things any better? I don't need to know, and won't be checking back because I don't care what you think about MY views. This is NOT a debate, YOU - as an individual - must decide how YOU want to live your life. If you want to live in a Socialist Country, there are plenty of them out there - go find one that suits your lifestyle. We have the Freedom here to do things you can't do in other Countries. If you decide as an individual to stay here, DEAL WITH IT.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
over 5million guns a month are being sold nation wide... it seems a lot of people agree.

Right.

But how many million are in the streats raising hell about the tyranny?

No action...No hope.

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
So is it safe to assume since for you this isnt an abstract or theoretical argument that you have been brutalised by the police and had to pull out your gun to save yourself?
Didnt think so, the discussion is "abstract or theoretical" for all of us

Your arrogance, demonstrated by the rhetorical statement, and the assumption behind it, is typical.

Though not by a cop, you are correct; but I was lucky to survive living in Sunbury when I did. There was both a strangulation and arson attempt. So I do have practical experience of the importance of being able to defend oneself.

Originally posted by babybunnies
It's amazing to me that every single time there is one of these school, university, workplace or just pure random mass shootings, there is very limited public outcry about Guns in America.

In most other countries when something like this happens, there is mass public outcry for the Government to take action about gun possession laws, almost everywhere else except America.

Have Americans become so ingrained in their "right to bear arms" that even outrageous mass slaughters of civilians by gun toting nut cases won't sway them towards outrage?

We're outraged that you allow mass-murdering nut cases to roam freely among us.

No reason we should give up OUR tools because you can't control your psychopaths.

Let us keep our tools and put a legal bag limit on psychopaths, and we'll control them for you.

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
over 5million guns a month are being sold nation wide... it seems a lot of people agree.

Right.

But how many million are in the streats raising hell about the tyranny?

No action...No hope.

that's the point, and what I said in my last reply. There seems to be a MAJOR problem among Americans with doing the wrong things at the right places, and not doing the right things at the wrong places... that is in their bubble.

Whenever there will be an offensive against tyranny, it will often turn out to be a joke (like most of the Occupy's), while tons of people with the means and will to fight will just stay at home and keep with their regular business, waiting for the troops to come...

Staying on the defensive does no good.

Originally posted by badazz
reply to post by Homedawg

 

i understand homeland secirity just bought 400,000 rounds of ammunition. since they only operate inside the usa, doesnt that mean they purchased the ammo to fire at us?

If that's what they have in mind, they're going to need more ammo.

I burn up 200 rounds just qualifying at the range, and 200 more before that getting sharpened up before the scoring starts. We run usually 20 people at a time through the Q course, so that's 8,000 rounds just getting 20 officers recertified for work, in a single day.

Yup, they're going to need more ammo if they plan on taking on the public.

Originally posted by j2000

Originally posted by badazz
reply to post by Homedawg

 

i understand homeland secirity just bought 400,000 rounds of ammunition. since they only operate inside the usa, doesnt that mean they purchased the ammo to fire at us?

You are a little off on your numbers. It's 450 MILLION rounds in five years.
Think about that for awhile.

That's a start... but they're STILL going to need more ammo!

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff

Do Americans think that criminals dont exist anywhere else in the world? do you not think that everyone else is concerned with assault, murder, theft and rape?
the rest of the world is as concerned as you are but we get by without guns.

Then the rest of the world isn't concerned enough, apparently. It's OK, though - it's YOUR dime, spend it as you will. We've figured out how to spend OURS.

Originally posted by babybunnies
It's amazing to me that every single time there is one of these school, university, workplace or just pure random mass shootings, there is very limited public outcry about Guns in America.

In most other countries when something like this happens, there is mass public outcry for the Government to take action about gun possession laws, almost everywhere else except America.

Have Americans become so ingrained in their "right to bear arms" that even outrageous mass slaughters of civilians by gun toting nut cases won't sway them towards outrage?

I will say again, that it is not until you have been held down and raped in a gutter, or had someone's hands around your own neck to the point of your own vision going dark, that you will cease making the above arguments.

It is for that reason, that I continue to look forward to each and every person on this forum who makes such arguments, having such an experience themselves. It is only when you are in a position where in practical terms, you need a gun or some other weapon in order to go on breathing for the next five minutes, that you will cease making arguments such as the above.

Words alone will not sway you. In order to know why the public must be armed, you must have direct, practical, visceral experience of the reason.

Nevermind this post is useless.

"An armed citizen is a more confident person.He/she feels they can handle things themselves without asking for help and that confidence carries over into all aspects of their lives,thus making them LESS dependent on the Nanny State of the Liberal Utopia.
The Nanny State Ideal requires the people to be more of the sheeple mindset person,weak,scared, willing to go along with anything in the name of safety and the next guaranteed meal/check/handout.
An armed self confident,self aware citizen hardly fits that mold and that's where all the angst on the part of Central Government comes from.Its also why they will seize and capitalize on any new crisis involving firearms to attack the idea of private gun ownership and the "stand your ground/castle doctrine" type self defense laws as well as the Concealed Carry Permits and the easy availability of all types of firearms,allowing the Armed Citizen his/her choice of what to carry or use."€€€££¥¥¥ ........NOW,out of my original post,on this thread,how do you get that I am anti gun,or this is an anti gun thread out what the central core paragraphs I posted above for brevity sake?...READ it please and attempt to comprehend

My only point is: Even if you do have a gun it won't stop or even deter bad things from happening to you.

No I won't think twice about robbing you (if I wanted) because it's known that you have a gun. Just means I'll shoot you on sight.

If someone is coming for you, then they are coming for you. If it weren't the case then drug dealers would never be robbed and killed, and believe me, they are every day.

Unless your gun is surgically connected to your hand you can/will be caught slipping. A guy showed me this when he rolled up on me in the parking lot and my gun was mere feet from my hand. But what good did it do me...NONE! Luckily he didn't really have any bad intentions.

Have any of you ever taken someones gun from them and slapped them in the mouth with it? I have, and that's what happens with a lot of people who think themselves protected because they have a gun! If they're not shot with their own gun. Reason being most people don't have the killer instinct required when the time really comes. Their gun is nothing more than a decorative ornament and false sense of security.

As someone else said, why all the fear that the government is trying to take our guns? I have seen no such indication, it's quite easy to obtain one. And if it were ever a war between the government and regular citizens o you think it's still 1942? They have weaponry to take us out without suffering any casualties. (If there really were a "they", there isn't some conspiracy by our elected representatives to murder all of us :lol We the public are at least 50 years behind our military when it comes to weapons, for all we know they would have lasers or something that would make a cat 18 hurricane wipe us out.

Face it, it just feels good to have guns and imagine what you can do with them. And i'm not someone against gun ownership either, I just realize that it's a lot of dreaming going on in here.

Guns are evil by the same people who support abortion.

Meh

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by babybunnies
It's amazing to me that every single time there is one of these school, university, workplace or just pure random mass shootings, there is very limited public outcry about Guns in America.

In most other countries when something like this happens, there is mass public outcry for the Government to take action about gun possession laws, almost everywhere else except America.

Have Americans become so ingrained in their "right to bear arms" that even outrageous mass slaughters of civilians by gun toting nut cases won't sway them towards outrage?

I will say again, that it is not until you have been held down and raped in a gutter, or had someone's hands around your own neck to the point of your own vision going dark, that you will cease making the above arguments.

It is for that reason, that I continue to look forward to each and every person on this forum who makes such arguments, having such an experience themselves. It is only when you are in a position where in practical terms, you need a gun or some other weapon in order to go on breathing for the next five minutes, that you will cease making arguments such as the above.

Words alone will not sway you. In order to know why the public must be armed, you must have direct, practical, visceral experience of the reason.

edit on 6-4-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)

Your wrong, it as simple as that.
Ive been robbed at knife point and I dont want a gun, A close friend of mine was in Uni was the victim of a violent assault and I dont recall her ever wishing for or wanting a gun.

In the civilised western world gun loving culture is unique to America, sure we get the occasional person elsewhere who has an obsession with firearms but almost without exception they are odd, not the sort of people youd leave your kids with.

Its ironic because most of you on here talking about how you need guns would also be the ones talking about how your government wants to keep you docile and in fear, I reckon a good indicator of how fearful people are would be by checking gun and ammo sales. If I read correctly on this thread earlier gun sales are at record highs, yep sounds like a confident and safe society to me

If your argument held any water America would be safer than similar countries but its not so without any need for argument you should know just from that your wrong, having a gun does not make you safer, Feel safer maybe but actually safer no.

You can all kid yourselves as much as you like that your more safe or more confident or whatever you tell yourselves to justify buying a tool thats sole purpose is to kill, but once again your no safer than anyone else and in most cases in harms way more than the rest of the world due to your cultures obsession with gun ownership.

Or you can just admit you like having a gun for the sake of having a gun or thats its fun to shoot or whatever and discussion is over. Just give up the fantasy of everyone having a gun being a good thing, what you should be wanting is NO ONE having or wanting a gun.

P.s its says something about your mentality when you look forward to people who dont agree with you ending up as victims of rape or violent crime

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


Never heard a person called a victim who was armed which is the choice too many seem to be making.

Evil exists in this world by people not the thing they use.

Here are some of my toys, I LOVE THEM ALL, I'm definitively armed who is going to take them from me? There is more handguns and rifles in the US citizens hands than in the US army, (missiles, tanks, grenades etc is another story) it will be impossible for anyone to take our guns. My collection is crap compared to others that I have seen, if your next door neighbor is not a gun owner the next one probably is, and most gun owners have more than 1. Guns are not going anywhere.

An armed population is a free population. The gun "problem" in America is not a problem of guns, it is a problem with culture. Taking firearms from the law abiding citizen only puts them at the mercy of the criminal. People are people even if you managed to outlaw firearms it will just change to different weapon being used. As someone who has had to use a firearm to defend myself in my own home, I can tell you that it is something that no one should ever have to do. But I can also tell you that without the ability to do so it would have had even more drastic consequences on my life. You want to change the amount of gun related deaths, then address the cultural problems that causes them.

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what is that gun with the scope on top?