Global Warming sweet spot, where the temperature changes rapidly.

This is from an article about global warming, but most of the article doesn't talk about this specific point, it just kind of mentions it. I think this alluded to point makes this an important item to post here on ATS.

news.yahoo.com...

"Then our climate models show if you have permafrost and you warm the temperatures slowly, there is sort of a sweet spot in the model: When you cross it, the whole thing just goes," Pagani said.
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These ancient hyperthermals are described by the researchers as intense bursts of warming, but nowadays the planet is warming more rapidly. Scientists anticipate that the melting Arctic permafrost is likely to exacerbate things.

Add this to news pointed out on another thread, about the discovery of methane plumes on the Arctic continental shelf, it leaves one to wonder if we are going to hit this sweet spot soon.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I always looked at the whole 2012 thing very skeptically, but this situation with Arctic Methane makes me wonder if it could be for real.

I stopped reading at this point "Then our climate models show"... You can not predict the complexities of the earth with a computer program! There are many things we still do not even understand about our planet! But these jokers can know all with a computer? Nah...

The uk has a super computer system to predict the weather, guess what? It's quite often wrong! What makes you think the global warming models are any better?

It's all a scam in my opinion as well as a distraction!

"The government will save us! They care about us and our planet!"

Do they hell!

If all this man made climate change was really true, the ever loving government would put a BAN on companies 'polluting' the earth... But no, they tax them instead! Which of course will be passed on down to us, eventually!

I'll keep my eye on the true threat to humanity! The very ones professing to save us!

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Calm down, the OP said nothing about governments coming to help anyone. This is interesting and worth exploring in my opinion.

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Predicting the weather, and figuring out weather patterns of the past are two completely different things.

Computers are just tools to help science.

I guess you don't believe in science. Don't believe the Ice Ages ever happened? Dinosaurs couldn't have existed because the Earth is only 10k years old?

Weather patterns from the past are based on the study of the Earth, which leaves behind very solid evidence that can be verified by numerous studies around the globe.

Originally posted by poet1b
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Predicting the weather, and figuring out weather patterns of the past are two completely different things.

Computers are just tools to help science.

I guess you don't believe in science. Don't believe the Ice Ages ever happened? Dinosaurs couldn't have existed because the Earth is only 10k years old?

Weather patterns from the past are based on the study of the Earth, which leaves behind very solid evidence that can be verified by numerous studies around the globe.

Not when you are using computer models! I believe that SOME science is legit, but just like everybody else scientists can be bought! They are not infallible and they also do not agree with each other! There are scientists that say we had no ice age and some say we did! That's my point! I have no idea how old the earth is and neither does anyone else.

I don't doubt that some evidence is left behind... But certainly not all! And also data can be manipulated! Just look at climategate to see that!

I think these models are very dangerous, I also see faith in scientists as being dangerous too, especially when they are making predictions or evaluating data... Science can tell us a certain amount, undoubtedly and I do not dismiss it in it's entirety but I am cautiously skeptical of their findings.

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I didn't say he did, and that is clear to anyone that reads the op, I was just putting that line for effect! Oh and I'm calm as a cucumber!

I do however have a tendency to push the exclamation mark a bit, can't help it, just habit!

My post in no way detracts from your ability to explore the topic, so perhaps take some of your own advice and calm down?

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You don't believe in using computers? Computing modelling has made many major tech advances. Sure, I guess at some point computer models might be dangerous, like a shovel can be dangerous, but mostly they are effective tools.

Sure, there are people who fudge the evidence. Most of them are paid by big corporations to fudge their data and deny global warming.

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Not when you are using computer models! I believe that SOME science is legit, but just like everybody else scientists can be bought! They are not infallible and they also do not agree with each other! There are scientists that say we had no ice age and some say we did! That's my point! I have no idea how old the earth is and neither does anyone else.

I don't doubt that some evidence is left behind... But certainly not all! And also data can be manipulated! Just look at climategate to see that!

I think these models are very dangerous, I also see faith in scientists as being dangerous too, especially when they are making predictions or evaluating data... Science can tell us a certain amount, undoubtedly and I do not dismiss it in it's entirety but I am cautiously skeptical of their findings.

Scientists can be bought, but science cannot be. One person or a few might try to fake something, but other repeating the experiment do not get the same results and cry foul.

The fact that scientists do not agree with each other is normal. It does not mean that science is wrong. It means that new ideas are being contested and challenged which is what makes science so strong. There are those that make the false claim that all scientists refuse to buck the system. That is false as you point out yourself.

Any scientist that says there are no ice ages is not a real scientist. There is a tremendous amount of evidence for many ice ages in the last billion years.

I read somewhere, link might be on another thread, that ocean levels could rise 10 meters, in a few decades.

Is that what we would see with such a tipping point?

They have found a highly improved method of measuring methane levels over the oceans, and they have found out Antarctic emission are equivalent to total emissions from all the worlds oceans. -

www.laserfocusworld.com...

The data obtained from the LGR instruments showed that total annual flux for methane emissions from ESAS (8 teragrams, or 8 Tg) is nearly equivalent to the total estimated emissions from all the world’s oceans.

All though this could be explained better, and leaves room for interpretation.