Oh Canada! Imposing austerity on world's most resource-rich country (from Pravda dated 2 April 2012

Da Canadians out of money.

Seems to be happening to all countries. Are there any countries that are not drowning in debt?

Says that they will no longer make pennies as they cost more than a penny to make. We should do that...

There is a chart, shows pretty stable debt until 1974. Looks like as long as they were borrowing from the Gov bank all was ok, only when they started getting loans from private banks did it all go to crap. It was all interest free before 1974.

The debt shot up only after 1974. That was when the Basel Committee was established by the central-bank Governors of the Group of Ten countries of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS), which included Canada. A key objective of the Committee was to maintain "monetary and financial stability." To achieve that goal, the Committee discouraged borrowing from a nation's own central bank interest-free, and encouraged borrowing instead from private creditors, all in the name of "maintaining the stability of the currency."

This is interesting. Road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The presumption was that borrowing from a central bank with the power to create money on its books would inflate the money supply and prices. Borrowing from private creditors, on the other hand, was considered not to be inflationary, since it involved the recycling of pre-existing money. What the bankers did not reveal, although they had long known it themselves, was that private banks create the money they lend just as public banks do. The difference is simply that a publicly-owned bank returns the interest to the government and the community, while a privately-owned bank siphons the interest into its capital account, to be re-invested at further interest, progressively drawing money out of the productive economy.

Source Pravda

By Ellen Brown

Even the world's most resource-rich country has now been caught in the debt trap. Its once-proud government programs are being subjected to radical budget cuts-cuts that could have been avoided if the government had not quit borrowing from its own central bank in the 1970s.

Last week in Ottawa, the Canadian House of Commons passed the federal government's latest round of budget cuts and austerity measures. Highlights included chopping 19,200 public sector jobs, cutting federal programs by $5.2 billion per year, and raising the retirement age for millions of Canadians from 65 to 67. The justification for the cuts was a massive federal debt that is now over C$ 581 billion, or 84% of GDP.

An online budget game furnished by the local newspaper the Globe and Mail gave readers a chance to try to balance the budget themselves. Possibilities included slashing transfer payments for elderly benefits, retirement programs, health benefits, and education; cutting funding for transportation, national defense, economic development and foreign aid; and raising taxes. An article on the same page said, "The government, in reality, doesn't have that many tools at its disposal to close a large budgetary deficit. It can either raise taxes or cut departmental program spending."

It seems that no gamer, lawmaker or otherwise, was offered the opportunity to toy with the number one line item in the budget: interest to creditors. A chart on the website of the Department of Finance Canada titled "Where Your Tax Dollar Goes" showed interest payments to be 15% of the budget-more than health care, social security, and other transfer payments combined. The page was dated 2006 and was last updated in 2008, but the percentages are presumably little different today.

Penny wise, Pound Foolish

Among other cuts in the 2012 budget, the government announced that it would be discontinuing the minting of Canadian pennies, which now cost more than a penny to make. The government is focusing on the pennies and ignoring the pounds-the massive share of the debt that might be saved by borrowing from the government's own Bank of Canada.

Between 1939 and 1974, the government actually did borrow from its own central bank. That made its debt effectively interest-free, since the government owned the bank and got the benefit of the interest. According to figures supplied by Jack Biddell, a former government accountant, the federal debt remained very low, relatively flat, and quite sustainable during those years. (See his chart below.) The government successfully funded major public projects simply on the credit of the nation, including the production of aircraft during and after World War II, education benefits for returning soldiers, family allowances, old age pensions, the Trans-Canada Highway, the St. Lawrence Seaway project, and universal health care for all Canadians.

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The government successfully funded major public projects simply on the credit of the nation,...universal health care for all Canadians.

Amazing what was done when money wasn't being sucked out of the economy (robbed) by private banks. People often argue the "free healthcare" issue, but Canada has had a world class system for many of years. Unfortunately, I think it's been in decline for a few years, and will continue to. But, that isn't a debate about healthcare, it's a debate on "why the hell can't we just have our own money?"

This isn't helping either...

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USA has similar issues but with the Fed reserve.

Some think Kennedy was killed to preserve the status quo and prevent the USA printing it own money rather than borrowing from the Fed. Complicated, still learning about how this works...

Why are governments paying private financiers to generate credit they could be issuing themselves, interest-free? According to Professor Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton's mentor at Georgetown University, it was all part of a concerted plan by a clique of international financiers. He wrote in Tragedy and Hope in 1964:

The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations.

Each central bank . . . sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.

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The government successfully funded major public projects simply on the credit of the nation,...universal health care for all Canadians.

 

Amazing what was done when money wasn't being sucked out of the economy (robbed) by private banks. People often argue the "free healthcare" issue, but Canada has had a world class system for many of years. Unfortunately, I think it's been in decline for a few years, and will continue to. But, that isn't a debate about healthcare, it's a debate on "why the hell can't we just have our own money?"

This isn't helping either...

Who gets free healthcare in Canada?...I certainly don't

I don't care anymore.

In 5 years, if everything goes reasonably close to plan, I'll be more or less self-sufficient and won't need much to live on.

Yes, the government here isn't really any different than any other that is underfoot of a central bank. So inevitably, we will suffer the same fate.

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Yup, make sure to check out the Survival threads... ATS Survival Topic

Looks like, as we have here people trying to fight against the machine and fix what is wrong. They have little chance because the general public is uninformed and apathetic.

n December 2011, this charge was echoed in a lawsuit filed in Canadian federal court by two Canadians and a Canadian economic think tank. Constitutional lawyer Rocco Galati filed an action on behalf of William Krehm, Ann Emmett, and COMER (the Committee for Monetary and Economic Reform) to restore the use of the Bank of Canada to its original purpose, including making interest free loans to municipal, provincial and federal governments for "human capital" expenditures (education, health, and other social services) and for infrastructure. The plaintiffs state that since 1974, the Bank of Canada and Canada's monetary and financial policy have been dictated by private foreign banks and financial interests led by the BIS, the Financial Stability Forum (FSF) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF), bypassing the sovereign rule of Canada through its Parliament.

Today this silent coup has been so well obscured that governments and gamers alike are convinced that the only alternatives for addressing the debt crisis are to raise taxes, slash services, or sell off public assets. We have forgotten that there is another option: cut the debt by borrowing from the government's own bank, which returns its profits to public coffers. Cutting out interest has been shown to reduce the average cost of public projects by about 40%.