Newt Gingrich's one great idea..and was shunned., page


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Topic started on 4-4-2012 @ 04:56 PM by SaturnFX
Heya folks

ok, disclamer: I am a liberal democrat lefty pinko communist..probably a vegan devil at that and just not aware of that part...but point is, do not think me of a Newt fan by any stretch of the imagination..I would rather follow a literal eggplant than him.

In saying that. I wonder why the one damn good idea he had, that made me highly interested, got such bad press...it was nearly insane the way he was laughed at over this:



What a freaking awesome idea, and more importantly, what a critically necessary step in getting back into space and not having all our eggs in one basket!

Why was this laughed at? I agree with him 100% on pretty much everything he said in this video. If this was his main platform and he was moderate (centerist) in the rest, I would totally vote for him and encourage all my friends to.

Where has the innovation and desire for progressing our entire civilization gone in our leaders? Why is such a desire to go the extra mile and not only make us wonder again, but take a step towards long term survival of our species laughed at? Can someon explain this to me rationally

Yes, we can't afford it..we can never afford it..I disagree...I would rather put a colony on the moon and mars than go screw around in Iran for a trillion bucks! Return on investment verses accomplish nothing and murder people. We are doing the war thing...its not a we shouldn't do either..its a we are almost definately doing one part, have done it with iraq, and we get nothing out of it.
To hell with that..shift the money, get us in space...get humanity refocused on colonization race of the solar system verses arms race for nobody but the very elite on earth as we outgrow our resources.
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reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 05:11 PM by speculativeoptimist
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Why was this laughed at?

Successful conditioning coupled with lack of promotion in the main stream o things? Your thread immediately reminded me of We Stopped Dreaming by Neil DeGrass Tyson. I feel that many folks think we should not invest interests and money for space endeavors becssue we have too many problems here, or they do not see any value in space exploration.
Whereas there are many of us that see this as paramount in our growth and duty as cosmic residents. It is interesting Newt was the only candidate to mention such endeavors, and yea, I too cheered a bit within.

What I think is one of the greatest values of things as moon colonies is the uniting of humanity factor. I think Newt recognizes this aspect too, and maybe he was trying to bring us all together, even though he is a republican , and instill us with pride.
Here is the vid We Stopped Dreaming:

More:


Peace and make it so....dammit!
spec

ETA: Remember the dreaming:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 05:17 PM by Swills
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I don't like Newt, I don't support any of his policies but dammit if I didn't agree with him about a Moon base!

Damn you Gingrich, I never wanted to be in your corner.


reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 05:27 PM by arbiture
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A liberal democratic and a communist are a contradiction in terms. Anyway, yes I do believe we must get back into space ASAP and get to the moon and set up a permanent base there. Obama cancelled the Orion rocket that would have gotten us back into space and I had a screaming crying tantrum. Until I checked into why he did cancel it and what he did afterward.

More then any other President Obama has pushed hard to promote private industry in making and launching rockets including manned ones, with the help of our deep space tracking capability and NASA. I have always believed the only way to truly open up space is for private companies to do things they can do better then bloated government programs.

Sure the US space program had lots of private contractors but if you just want one example of a bad idea and very dangerous space craft just look at the thankfully retired US space shuttle. A bloody death trap and no way to get the crew out if something went wrong before, during and post launch.

That was supposed to be a fully reusable two stage vehicle, and take off vertically and or take off/land horizontally. So many corners were cut that thing should never had been used, until we got it right. Now were much closer.

But Gingrich is in la-la land if he has any delusion, and seems to have quite a few that we would ever fund a government program like this. Where will we get the money? As things are going now a lot of that money is not coming from tax payers but private investors who believe in a flexible and robust American Space Program. I'm someone who has put my own money as an investor where my beliefs and what I think is a vital need are.

The US government is paying these companies to build rockets to launch multiple payloads, including up-coming NASA probes that will knock your socks off when people see what they can do, and get where ever at a reasonable price. Why? Because several companies are getting in the act and that competition is very good for all, mostly tax payers.

There is also the largely unknown but very impressive military space program. Rumor has it they're looking at several new advanced launch rockets for their own needs. It is also rumored that the military has had advanced aerospace planes, including specialized anti-satellite and antimissile fighters and "satellite snatchers" that have been in the inventory for some time. But thats just a rumor...

But Gingrich? Why doesn't he just go to Tiffanies and leave the rest of us alone...


reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 05:45 PM by Maslo
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then Newt says to spend god knows how much to build a moon base.


Around 0.5 % of federal budget.
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