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The Vetting - Obama's War on Catholic Church Began at His First Job

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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 07:30 AM
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You seem to have forgotten a few things.... Look beyond Wiki.and you will discover a heretic in Cardinal's robes.




posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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In 1999, then-State Senator Barack Obama invoked the late radical Cardinal Joseph Bernardin, who passed away in 1996, to promote a universal health care law he co-sponsored and which Illinois voters had overwhelmingly rejected.

The bill incorporated language directly from the late cardinal’s 1995 pastoral letter, “A Sign of Hope,” which argued for a “fundamental right” to healthcare, reading, in part: “Health care is an essential safeguard of human life and dignity, and there is an obligation for society to ensure that every person be able to realize that right.”



Supporters of single payer health care, like Dr. Quentin Young of Physicians for a National Health Program, understood Bernardin to be calling for a government takeover of health care. "Cardinal Bernardin wrote on the moral questions we're talking about," Dr. Young told the Palm Beach Post on January 4, 1998. “His concept was that human dignity requires an ethic that assures health care to all people in a society.”


Obama was testing the waters in Illinois before laying waste to the entire nation.


Both Boland and Obama received endorsements for the Bernadin Amendment from some radical priests, including Father Michael Pfleger, who backed Obama in his failed congressional bid in 2000; and Father George Clements, the Black Panther-supporting priest who housed then-Black Panther and future member of Congress, Bobby Rush.

Other supporters of the Bernardin Amendment included the then newly elected Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky and her husband, Robert Creamer, the head of the Illinois Public Action Council (IPAC), who would go on to do federal time for check kiting and write the playbook for passing Obamacare from prison.



When the Affordable Care Act passed, Obama finally delivered on the dream of liberal Catholics--that the state would deliver “social justice” on health care. But he broke his promises to Catholic leaders as his government imposed birth control mandates on religious institutions.

Catholics--both liberal and conservative--now know that the price of faith in Obama: the destruction of the religious liberty in which all Americans, especially Catholics, believe.

www.breitbart.com...

Exploitation of religion for pure political gain. What more evidence do you need to see? We learned about his early training in Chicago. He took what he learned in Chicago to Harvard and then Came back to Chicago to pick up where he left off. This time with a law degree. He learned from the errors in Illinois and crafted the perfect plan for his personal "crowned jewel" according to Pelosi. To bad he stabbed the Catholics in the back in the process.
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posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by windword
What is the "radical Catholic left?"

Pro Abortion. Demand women be priests too (which can never happen). Call God 'mother' instead of 'father' (as Christ said to). They have liturgial 'dancers' during mass ... instead of the mass authorized by Rome. Some of the radical Catholic left are so far gone that they call abortion a 'sacrament'. Really. It's pretty sick.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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This is all just foolish. OP is obviously not from Chicago. Joseph Cardinal Bernadin was a beloved figure throughout Chicago and the suburbs. You want to call him leftist for caring for the least of his brothers? Then Jesus told us all to be leftists.

Obama has so much of the Catholic vote in Chicago that it's even spreading to DuPage county. DuPage is one of the most conservative/republican counties in the US. But thanks to more Catholics progressing and moving up on the economic ladder, it is becoming less of a red stronghold. It was not uncommon to see a $2 million house with a Hope sign in the yard.

No matter how far those people climb in life, they will always take the lessons from the Cardinal and other priests that it is our duty to care for and protect the poor. If and when Catholics lured by the false wedge issue promise of ending abortion (which republicans will never do) wake up, the ones that do vote Republican will leave in droves.

Question, maybe for another thread, but if the Republican Senate, House, President, and Supreme Court (with 5 Catholics) under Bush didn't end abortion then why not? There will never be a legal solution. Government could easily offer incentives for adoption to give women a better choice but they won't because the issue is too useful. Cynical yes, but sadly true.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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A little bit about the dear Cardinal

www.bishop-accountability.org...

An even better source regarding the Bernadin Enigma.
www.firstthings.com...



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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Cardinal Bernadin was certainly not the only member of the Church who supported the liberal reforms of Vatican II as it related to the liturgy. There are many within the laity that supported them too. The Church hierarchy has decided that the Mass was changed too much and that trying to make cultural accommodations confused the message of the liturgy. That's probably true. Many would prefer to see the entire Mass back in Latin. That would be an extremely controversial change too. But don't confuse the liberal vs conservative arguments regarding the Mass and theology with liberal vs conservative arguments regarding our duties to our fellow man. On that issue, even the Pope is in agreement and he was considered very conservative as a Bishop and Cardinal.

As far as the abuse cases go, there is no excuse for what the bishops did to hide what was going on. They and the church deserve all of the pain, suffering, and embarrassment that they have gotten. However, to date, the Catholic Church is to date the only institution that has instituted a systematic approach to uncovering abuse and eliminating it. It is also the only institution that has publicly settled/prosecuted the cases. That doesn't excuse it or make it better but it's a step that needs to be taken in other areas of society.

Are you aware that 95 members of the Orthodox Jewish community were arrested in December of last year? Are you aware of the widespread abuse in youth sports? Are you aware that the Protestant churches in the US that pool their resources to buy insurance report an average of 260 abuse claims a year? These aren't accusations, these are reported numbers that have been determined to be legitimate. That's only the predominately white Protestant churches, predominantly black Protestant churches apparently aren't included under those insurance policies. Just two of the cases against one minister were settled for $69 million.

Why isn't this a bigger issue in the press? I think the good old boys club suppresses this information. Look at the cover up at Penn State and Syracuse. You want more sports examples? Just google junior hockey and abuse. Google sexual abuse and any sport or just youth sports. For that matter, google sexual abuse and public schools.

On the issue of community organizers and cooperation with the Catholic Church, there's nothing inconsistent with the motivation and the teachings of Jesus. You want to call the Catholic Church and its' members who support policies protecting the poor radical? Fine, but then it's a radical idea that's about 2000 years old.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by windword
What is the "radical Catholic left?"

Pro Abortion. Demand women be priests too (which can never happen). Call God 'mother' instead of 'father' (as Christ said to). They have liturgial 'dancers' during mass ... instead of the mass authorized by Rome. Some of the radical Catholic left are so far gone that they call abortion a 'sacrament'. Really. It's pretty sick.


Do you have any evidence, quotes, anything to back up what you're saying? Those are really ugly accusations. I've been a student, altar boy, volunteer, coach, a conference representative, and a parish board member Catholic Churches for 40 years and have never heard anything remotely close to calling God mother or abortion a sacrament. If you hate the Catholic Church that's your choice but be honest, are you making this up to be spiteful? If not, please at least say where you heard it.



posted on Apr, 6 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by windword
What is the "radical Catholic left?"

Pro Abortion. Demand women be priests too (which can never happen). Call God 'mother' instead of 'father' (as Christ said to). They have liturgial 'dancers' during mass ... instead of the mass authorized by Rome. Some of the radical Catholic left are so far gone that they call abortion a 'sacrament'. Really. It's pretty sick.


And that is also fairly consistent with the generally modified Marxist agenda.

Especially in the City-State of Chicago.

They are THEE Masters of combined/reformed/adjusted Marxism/Corporatism.

Much thanks to Alinsky - Ayers/Dohrn - Obama (both) !!

The political machine there has been in place for many decades.



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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People wonder about the radical left within the Catholic Church? The leftist Cardinal Bernadin?

How about the radical leftist nuns?

This is the "social justice" crowd that impacted the catholic church during the Cardinal's tenure and they are still lingering in groups like this


As the Catholic Church takes action to counter the left-wing drift of American nuns, Breitbart.com has learned that hundreds of nuns are involved in the left's campaign to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R)--in favor of pro-choice Democratic challengers.

The nuns who have circulated and signed petitions include sisters from convents and other Catholic institutions across the state.

Over 100 signatures, for example, all of female voters, as verified through iverifytherecall.com, list the same address as a Dominican institution in Sinsinawa, WI, in the southwestern portion of the state. Representatives of that organization could not be reached for comment.

One Catholic official at a school with a large number of signatories stressed that Catholic organizations advocate for the poor and downtrodden, but do not take political positions, and that what their individual members do is up to them alone.

www.breitbart.com...



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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So what exactly has Obama managed to do to the Catholic Church in all this time then? Surely by now his war has enough victories to make him a real threat? This is not all empty bluster from a smear site is it?



posted on Apr, 20 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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I'm a catholic and my response is this, really?

Lemme shed some truth...

The church is a scam. You've been lied to since you were born. The sole purpose of the church is to make money via guilt and performance art.

There was no carpenter zombie, there were no talking snakes, no flaming bushes that talked... it is all excrement.

Derek



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