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Property owners, would you be ok with "affordable housing" in your neighborhood?

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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Freenrgy2
Where I live, Section 8 = crime, drugs, prostitution, gang violence, etc.

So, no, I would not agree with this where I live.

I believe there should be "affordable housing" but how it's done is key to how its run. Anything controlled or managed by the government usually looks like a trash dump. If a private company provided such housing, perhaps it would be held to a higher standard.


Those things you listed there is just another name for Multiculturalism and the reason is because low income folks have a different set of priorities.

If they won the lotto they would spend ALL their winnings on liabilities or on things they feel they need today.
It's the live for today,and only today, mentality.
Where as a responsible home owner would spend most of his lotto winnings on investments while focusing on tomorrow.




posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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I agree with you 100%. And there will be people who think we are wrong in thinking that way, but I don't care. My husband and I work 3 jobs between us to live in the nice quiet neighborhood we live in. We don't have money to go on vacations, or go on shopping sprees. But we DO live in a neighborhood that I feel me and my children are safe in. That is what is important to me, and that is why we work our butts of day after day. So No, I don't believe it would be fair for section 8 housing to be integrated into our neighborhood. I do realize that bad stuff can happen anywhere, but you can't tell me that the crime rate wouldn't go up if that were to happen.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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the only reason areas of affordable housing are high crime is because of the society around it... mass amounts of affordable housing creates the idea of no escape and creates that criminal activity around them... think about the schools in those areas and the people that run the area...

now if you mix it in with midde class people, through school, and the society around them, you can create a nice atmosphere where kids will be friends with other kids that aren't out in the streets all night...

it'd be a good influence and would stop the creation of gang activity and criminal activity due to a good natured society around them...

the reason the hood is so full of criminal activity is because its all around them and impossible to escape, but with this they can...



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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There is low cost housing all over the country and even in the finest neighborhoods.
It is called "Foreclosure-Rental". Look around at forecosed homes abandoned by the owners and not taken care of by the banks. They will rent to anyone that applies and get the rent money from the Government. They just collect the money and abandon the property until the renter defaults and then they just re-rent at a lower price.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by MicDiesal37
the only reason areas of affordable housing are high crime is because of the society around it... mass amounts of affordable housing creates the idea of no escape and creates that criminal activity around them... think about the schools in those areas and the people that run the area...

now if you mix it in with midde class people, through school, and the society around them, you can create a nice atmosphere where kids will be friends with other kids that aren't out in the streets all night...

it'd be a good influence and would stop the creation of gang activity and criminal activity due to a good natured society around them...

the reason the hood is so full of criminal activity is because its all around them and impossible to escape, but with this they can...


No, wont work. The majority of sec 8 people have been part of the system for so long through so many generations they just dont care.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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Re read the thread and my little contribution was a little embarrasing so i deleted it
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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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House prices are too costly for most people so why does this bother you?

Because you can afford a £350,000 house?

Even one bed flats cost over 160,000.... why? Its only bricks, water and cement and you don't even own the house anyway.... the Banks do unless you can pay straight up cash without borrowing....

If you borrowed the cash.... you don't own the House!!

But back to point.... i do realize you saying that crime rate goes up in areas of low cost housing... maybe in some cases it does but this depends on whether people are bought up to respect the area they live in or not....

Anyhow, people in leafy suburbs do get burgled too and thats before low cost housing comes there....

And if it werent for the guys at the top bringing the drugs and offers to those in the inner cities, you wouldnt get the druggies needing a fix!!

But having said this.... if i one day get a place in a great area for me then i guess i wouldnt want certain aspects of where i live now to follow me there....


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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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you can't really say that.. most people caught up in the hood # won't leave their "hood" due to gangs, family, culture, and pretty much their own straight ignorance.

the people looking for the affordable housing are usually trying to escape that lifesyle somehow someway. i mean maybe the kids they bring with them might have issues depending on age, and some of the adults might have their own issues, but i think for the most part it will be people trying to escape the crime in the cities...

also a lot of foreigners or starter families use these housing... why push them into criminal societies?



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 06:21 PM
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my town already has 5 neighborhoods filled with black criminals that were built when the city council took payola from the fed - it think thats enough.

anyone who thinks its any different than that is frankly lying to themselves.
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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Yes, there is already "affordable housing in our neighborhood".

It is for mentally challenged, new immigrants and elderly people.

I also love our neighborhood because, while we are in a suburban setting, we have many different cultures, races and a melting pot of very nice people.

We walk our dogs and have met many of the people we live around and the people in our area are very nice.

The ones that live in the "affordable housing units" are very grateful for the affordable housing and the ones I've met are friendly people.

My neighborhood is not a "prestigious" suburb - but I got a ten room house for almost half the price of the suburb next to ours that is prestigious. We have lived in our current home for 26 years and don't plan to leave other than feet first.

Again though, this is a suburban neighborhood and our Village President has worked very hard with our police to not be tyrannical but very quick to nip in the bud gang or criminal activity.

When we go walking our dogs we do carry a cell phone and mace just in case, but have never had to use it. A couple times we have ran into big dogs running loose and a couple times they were aggressive but my husband was able to shoo them off without resorting to the mace.

We are a old couple so just to be on the safe side. I don't foresee us ever having to use this.

Where we are at the police are quickly responsive and so far very polite.

I love having multiple culture grocery stores near me.

The Mexican one near us serves the very best burritos and milk cake (Tres Leches cake) and Flam. My son speaks Mexican / Spanish and I am learning. It's hard for me because I have a severe hearing loss.

Our other store, has a Mexican woman that runs the bakery that makes a Foccicia bread with Jalapeno Peppers that is to die for - heat and put Tostitos Spinach Dip on top
(Yum).


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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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Great Post! S&F

First of all, if you or anyone in this thread are Christians, then you know it is a SIN to join or support diversity. God created borders, bounders, rivers and oceans to keep us separate. Living close together in houses that touch is also anti-biblical, but not as bad as being a supporter of diversity.

Second, NO ONE on earth likes nor wants diversity if they are honest with their self. White people PREFER white people and would rather live/work/marry/ and commune with other white people.

The same goes for blacks, mexicans, asians, and blue bloods. Everyone wants tp hang out with their own CULTURE and people. Those who do not are the exception to this rule and are generally green peace whale saving drug taking hippie fools.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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I love how culturally diverse and accepting everybody is in here. I work in Public Housing as a property manager. I have 300 units on my site alone. Let me tell all of you this: you do not want these people living anywhere near you. The streets are constantly dirty, drugs, and crime do run rampant and that IS DUE to public housing and the options it provides. I can't even TELL you how many times I've busted my tenants for rampant drug use. The people are nuts out there. No caring parent would EVER willingly place their kids in an environment surrounded by public housing.

Of course everyone here is going to say "how dare you say that, you should lose your job for thinking that way about tenants!" Yeah, good one folks, try doing it yourself - it's the wild west when you get out there. Not your cushy office desk or waitress hours at the local coffee joint. You need to fend for yourself and realize that no matter how much you preach "respect" or "understanding" these people don't give A DAMN about you or your beliefs - they will sell you out in a second for their own personal gain. Try evicting someone from low-income housing - see how much "respect" they give you after not paying their rent for months and being forced out of their living space. Rent ranges from $20 a month to $300 by the way.

Bottom line, if you can afford to get away from public housing - then you deserve to be away from public housing. If you can't afford to stay away from it, then good luck. No, I sure as hell don't want these people in my neighborhoods (unless it was a SENIOR SITE ONLY) but hey - I guess that makes me "racist" or something. Shove up your ass you PC nutcases.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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I'm agianst it, poor people really need to be kept in there own ghetto's away from everyone else. It help's to keep the nice neighborhood's crime free. These poor people can leave there section 8 ghetto's to look for work, but at the end of the day they need to be going back to there own areas.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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No, I wouldn't. I didn't spend the last 20 years saving my money, working my butt off, taking classes, etc. to have some potential crack dealer move in next door, simply to appease some useful idiot hell bent on political correctness. I'll tell you what though, when Obama and his buddies live in the projects, and put their kids in public schools, I may reconsider.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 09:00 PM
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I love how culturally diverse and accepting everybody is in here. I work in Public Housing as a property manager. I have 300 units on my site alone. Let me tell all of you this: you do not want these people living anywhere near you. The streets are constantly dirty, drugs, and crime do run rampant and that IS DUE to public housing and the options it provides. I can't even TELL you how many times I've busted my tenants for rampant drug use. The people are nuts out there. No caring parent would EVER willingly place their kids in an environment surrounded by public housing.

Of course everyone here is going to say "how dare you say that, you should lose your job for thinking that way about tenants!" Yeah, good one folks, try doing it yourself - it's the wild west when you get out there. Not your cushy office desk or waitress hours at the local coffee joint. You need to fend for yourself and realize that no matter how much you preach "respect" or "understanding" these people don't give A DAMN about you or your beliefs - they will sell you out in a second for their own personal gain. Try evicting someone from low-income housing - see how much "respect" they give you after not paying their rent for months and being forced out of their living space. Rent ranges from $20 a month to $300 by the way.

Bottom line, if you can afford to get away from public housing - then you deserve to be away from public housing. If you can't afford to stay away from it, then good luck. No, I sure as hell don't want these people in my neighborhoods (unless it was a SENIOR SITE ONLY) but hey - I guess that makes me "racist" or something. Shove up your ass you PC nutcases.

This post DESERVES another post just to draw attention to it! Heck, it should be its own thread. Amazing honesty and truth here my friend. I can agree with you whole heatedly!

I to have had extensive experiences with affordable housing units by going door to door passing out gospel tracks trying to teach people the Bible. (Baptist by the way, not a nut cult like mormons, JW's, catholics, etc)
The people and the neighborhoods share a common resemblance........DIRTY. Not just their appearance, but their attitudes, language, and personalities. It saddenes me really, as they are just the product of the 1964 civil rights act and the entitlement mind set of the government. They are a shame

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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 09:11 PM
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Not when your'e the one doing all the taking and everybody else is doing all the giving. Socialism takes away ones ability to exceed or fail based on their own merits, the way it should be and the way it is in nature. You can't legislate success; period. Look at the housing the OP speaks of; it's downtrodden, riddled with graffiti, poorly maintained and just plain dangerous to be around at night. This is a perfect example of what socialism does; it takes away the incentive to excel and be your best because no matter how hard one works, their spoils will be confiscated and given to the losers of society.

The other problem with it is that there is absolutely no way to discern a low-life drug addict from somebody who has just fallen on bad luck. In fact, in socialist countries, they don't even try to; everybody is "equal". A single woman with 6 kids and each with a different father is treated the same as an individual who just got laid off in a struggling economy. You can keep your socialism.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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ok- I had to reply to this thread, for once I have first hand experience with section 8 tenants and low income housing etc......

I used to work for a cable company for over 10 years and I spent my fair amount of time in every county \ township in south jersey. I was in and out of these places all day- on top of that I've had 2 rental properties both with section 8 tenants. I've been in 1000's and 1000's of section 8 homes \ apartments and have seen these places in every local town. Met people from all walks of life.

As far as the section 8 people and the people living in low income or assistance places-

Most of these people don't give a sh*t about anything. I would go into brand new low income housing units and already you would see the damage. Gutter down spouts kicked in, the capping around the windows dented. Front doors dented. Writing on the walls inside or holes in the walls etc.... These people go out of their way to sh*t things up. They have big tv's and big stereo's, play station 3's computers, expensive cars you name it- and on section 8 + all kinds of assistance out the wazzu.

I just could never wrap my head around how these people manage to damage and not take care of things. Almost as if they go out of their way to make things worse. The young kids are even worse. No care, no decency, throw their trash where ever- never clean up. I used to get the nastiest looks when I would tell them it doesn't cost money to pick up trash and broken glass. A lot of these people are slobs as well as lazy, problem stricken and everything is always everyone else's fault.

Where I currently live, there has been some issues recently because lots and lots of "troubled people" have been relocated from other bad areas to this town I currently live in. I've watched half of the businesses close down, and now anytime during the day\night there are vagrants wondering the street, more like crack heads. On my street the neighbors are concerned because we have these crackhead looking guys coming around for no reason, walking the street to no where, then walking back looking around. Their taking inventory. When I see someone who doesn't belong I usually say "Hey how you doing? You live in the area? Can I help you with something" .... The response is "yeah man just walking around, waitin for my boy to pick me up" or some other nonsense which is bull- Then you have things missing from yards and sheds being broke into.

It's sad, to see an area over the span of a few years go downhill. I'm glad I'm moving in a couple months. Everyone with sense wants to leave the area. It's becoming a ghetto. That is what happens with these people on section 8 or low income housing assistance etc.... They turn the area's they reside into a ghetto.

Nothing racist about it.

The way this country is headed it's best to be away from heavily populated areas,



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 10:41 PM
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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
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Hell no!
I live in a planned HOA Community. We have very strict rules about the outsides of our houses.
You can always tell when a homeowner rents their home though, the yard is never kept up and you can find trash in the yard and is just overall not kept up.

On top of that, I dont want my home value going down.....

So nope. Thankfully, it would never happen. The homeowners pay into the HOA and I doubt anyone would welcome it. I actually wish we werent even allowed to rent our homes......


I too live in a gated community as a member of a Home Owners Association. I own my condo. It's equal to a 5 room apartment, just enough for me the wife and the cat. My condo maintenance fees are less than 300 dollars per month which includes all the electricity and water you can use. I do not have any extra dues to pay to be a member of the Association. We have two community only pools and a playground. When I bought this condo over 10 years ago it cost me about 16,000 dollars. There is no reason good housing cannot be affordable.

We too also have the same problems with renters and have strict rules to observe about the outside of the houses. In ten years, I can now sell this same place for twice as much as I paid for it - even with the economy failing. I'd rather live here and save some more money first.

Now, I'm inheriting a 30,000 sq foot property in a nice middle class neighborhood ( two blocks from the lake) with a large one story house on it. Do I want section 8 housing in that neighborhood? Hell No.
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