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Property owners, would you be ok with "affordable housing" in your neighborhood?

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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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I'm a liberal who actually used Section 8 once. I don't have a problem with affordable housing.

There simply isn't enough where I am. It's a renter's market and landlords prey upon potential tenants and then stick them with nasty, disgusting apartments that are hardly liveable.




posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by mayabong


On a side note: why is the government trying to force diversity on us?



Umm...I'm pretty sure diversity comes with common sense and not with force. If you really can't tolerate others who aren't the same skin color, sex, sexual orientation, or whatever, then maybe you should join a KKK forum instead of ATS.

Just a side note,



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Absolutely ... and I live in a pretty high end neighborhood.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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It's not a race thing as there are whites living in affordable housing same as asians and mexicans and blacks. I don't mind as long as they don't sell crack on the corner and I have my affordable .38 home defense system.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by jjkenobi
Well obviously if I paid $100k for a house and then section 8 housing moved in across the street and my home value dropped to $80k I'd be upset. Who wouldn't be? Has nothing to do with race since poor people come in every color.


This is the exact thing that happened to me.

I live in a middle class neighborhood and everyone owns their home except for the double across the street. I'm not even lying when I tell you that without exception almost every family that has moved into those two houses are the ones that I hear yelling and screaming at all times of the day or night (except one couple with a kid who was real nice but moved 2 days ago).

After the one family left the guy who renovated the place said it looked like a bomb went off inside.

On top of that I have a parking spot outside my house on the street. It's like an unwritten rule in our neighborhood that the spot in front of your house is your parking spot. If you have more than 1 car you park it at the bottom of the street.

Nope. Not for the section 8 people. They consistently park in everyone else's spot and could care less about common parking courtesy.

And before anyone says anything they've all been white.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 11:08 AM
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It is about to get much more complicated for Property Owners. Those who have worked hard to purchase and maintain their largest lifetime investment.


The Obama administration, in conjunction with federal regulators and led by the overseer of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is very close to announcing a pilot program to sell government-owned foreclosures in bulk to investors as rentals, according to administration officials.

There currently are about a quarter of a million foreclosed properties on the books of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), and millions more are coming.

www.cnbc.com...

One upside is that this will hopefully put people into empty homes. Homes that will hopefully be professionally managed by larger companies. Perhaps this will also expedite the process to tear down long vacant homes that are no longer viable for habitation.

It does open another can of worms though. All it takes is one bad rental unit to tarnish a neighborhood.


The pilot program is official (from an insiders view) and companies are already setting up the logistics and operations to buy these homes when the rip cord is finally pulled.

edit on 5-4-2012 by jibeho because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Where I live, Section 8 = crime, drugs, prostitution, gang violence, etc.

So, no, I would not agree with this where I live.

I believe there should be "affordable housing" but how it's done is key to how its run. Anything controlled or managed by the government usually looks like a trash dump. If a private company provided such housing, perhaps it would be held to a higher standard.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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That's either asking the wrong question, or asking it the wrong way...

BUt the way it is put, it is disgustingly selfish and cowardly!

People have the right to affordable housing, no matter if it's in your neighborhood or in the town next to yours, and your hopes for making big bucks out of property value (thin air, literally) should not compromise the rights of other people. Otherwise that is being a major parasite and a burden to society.

What about GENTRIFICATION destroying city life -turning them into open-air sanitized shopping malls with intolerant cops everywhere- while multiplying suburban sprawl destroying the land everywhere? But of course, these issues aren't bad for your wallet...

coz that's what you question is all about... "what about profits?" That's all what parasites are thinking about.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
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Absolutely ... and I live in a pretty high end neighborhood.


Does your neighborhood have section 8?



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Freenrgy2
Where I live, Section 8 = crime, drugs, prostitution, gang violence, etc.

So, no, I would not agree with this where I live.

I believe there should be "affordable housing" but how it's done is key to how its run. Anything controlled or managed by the government usually looks like a trash dump. If a private company provided such housing, perhaps it would be held to a higher standard.


That's a way more enlightened view than OP... This industry is out of control and unaccountable, as it's merely creating low-grade ghettos where people are actually enticed to criminality and other social problems.

The real problem is suburban sprawl, or horizontal development, actually based on the sky-rocketing of property value in urban centers, with the accompanying sky-rocketing rents. For decades, corrupt city councils have given away large chops of land to their corporate buddies to cash-in, while their very same property owners in urban areas have been cashing-in from gentrification... looking at it from outside the box, this is plain racketeering!

Or perhaps you think any SANE social living can come out of this....



...really?



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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I don't even want rich people to live near me. I don't really like anyone. So... hell no... I don't want "affordable housing" (aka welfare slums) anywhere near me!!! but... then again... I'm kind of an asshole =)



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by doomedtoday
Unfortunately race does play a big part on section 8. Trust me, and I mean this in no racists way whatsoever, a single black mother can get assistance before a single white mother can. It should not be based on skin color at all, it should be based on the persons effort. If you have a black family of which one parent is working and the other i currently going to a trade school and you have a white family of which the mom works at a dead end job to support a piece of trash dads alcohol habit, then the black family should be offered the assistance first. At the same time if you have trashy black family and a hard working white family, the white family should be assisted first. Something like this should not be based on the color of skin, it should be based on which people applying seem to be the most likely to be making an effort to pull themselves out of the situation. As far as drugs go, I don't think it's a question f who is more guilty, black people or white people, I think it's pretty even honestly. Its just that the piece of crap white people seem to prefer meth and the piece of crap black people seem to prefer crack. Why don't we just kick all of the junkies out and make room for people that actually care about themselves.




No it isn't based on skin color, and I know because I work with them every day in my profession. See this is the sort of misconception that our country suffers from. A myth being taken for truth!

Low income housing is based upon your income, household size and assets.

What actually happens is that many white single mothers will refuse to live in that "ghetto" while the black mother will. Another aspect is many young, single white mothers may have assets or their parents do and they the mother falls in the age bracket where her parents assets are counted.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Section 8 should be done away with. End it. It's costing those of us who work and pay taxes too much money.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by mikellmikell
We have low income housing in my neighborhood and have had no problems. Rule is you have to have a job $800 -$1500 per month. First and last months plus $1000 utility deposit. Everythings fine here


That is not section 8. Big difference.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by boot2theface
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Experienced what first hand? Section 8 housing? Crime in general? Poverty in general? I've experienced all three. Believe me when I say being poor in America is hell. I do not advocate crime nor am I am criminal but to understand crime you must understand social needs...

All poor people aren't criminals. The REAL criminals are actually incredibly wealthy.

But hey why don't we just take all of those pesky poor people that "NEED" things, and just herd them into one large work town that way they'll produce for but never bother the obviously superior more wealthy people who evidently never commit crimes or bother others.


Its not all about the crime. Its also the general upkeep of the property, they dont do it. The mindset seems to be because they dont live there the "stay" there, until they move on to the next gov paid for sec 8 residence.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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Property owners, would you be ok with "affordable housing" in your neighborhood?


Homeowners really don't have a lot of say in how property values are decided. If 'affordable housing' lowers that value, for whatever reason, they are stuck with it. It's not their fault.

If you want to walk the social path of purity, then the target should be those who value this market, not those who either survive or suffer under it.

Beyond that, I moved to a small community where there is not a lot of issue with this subject. There is a large university nearby and it's all pretty diverse around here to begin with. I don't care who my neighbors are so long as they stay on their dirt... without being invited over, that is.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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Everyone would like to think that they're so open minded that having an integrated, affordable housing community near them would be great. Sure, living next to the Obama's or the Oprah's would be nice. The reality is a bunch of grown, adult men who have nothing to do all day and wear their pants around their knees. Idle hands are evil hands. Go ask a bunch of wealthy successful minorities if they want section 8 in their neighborhood, they'll laugh you off their porch.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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WBBM news neighborhoods where cha public housing residents have moved into have seen a dramatic increase of violent crime in their neighborhoods



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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I lived in a similar situation. Bought a brand new home in a brand new subdivision. After about 3 years or so houses started getting foreclosed on. Realtors and developers starting buying them up real cheap at auction and guess what renting them out Section 8.
This brought in all the crack whores, thieves and of course all their thug ass kids. One of their thug ass kids shot a hole in in my front porch with a 9MM, 13 years old he was. If it would have went about a foot to the right it would have went straight through the house.
They too tore all all the common areas right down to the mailboxes, street signs, poles annd everything they could possibly tear up.
Also burglaries and home invasion started and they did not care if you were sitting right in your house. My neighbor three doors down was pregnant with their first child, were inside the house with all the lights on decorating for Christmas and two thugs kicked in their back door.
I left the house and walked away from it. I could not sell it and by then my property value had dropped about 70%.
So no I would not want Section 8 in my neighborhood, been there done that.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by Iamherefornow
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I lived in a similar situation. Bought a brand new home in a brand new subdivision. After about 3 years or so houses started getting foreclosed on. Realtors and developers starting buying them up real cheap at auction and guess what renting them out Section 8.
This brought in all the crack whores, thieves and of course all their thug ass kids. One of their thug ass kids shot a hole in in my front porch with a 9MM, 13 years old he was. If it would have went about a foot to the right it would have went straight through the house.
They too tore all all the common areas right down to the mailboxes, street signs, poles annd everything they could possibly tear up.
Also burglaries and home invasion started and they did not care if you were sitting right in your house. My neighbor three doors down was pregnant with their first child, were inside the house with all the lights on decorating for Christmas and two thugs kicked in their back door.
I left the house and walked away from it. I could not sell it and by then my property value had dropped about 70%.
So no I would not want Section 8 in my neighborhood, been there done that.


This is the reality of the situation. I've experienced it in my neighborhood. And when the Section 8 housing is condemned by the city, it sits. And it sits. We like to call it "blight".

For anyone judging folks who own homes who also don't want to see their property's value diminished in a period of months, consider this: You work your butt off until you're 35, and FINALLY have saved enough to purchase a home which isn't perfect, it isn't a mansion, but it's a home. You've forgone any and every other possible investment available, including a CAR. Then, your only investment is de-valued. Now, you actually owe more on the home than it's worth.

Now, wouldn't that be cozy? Some of us with homes aren't in McMansions, have absolutely nothing in a 401(k), don't own a car, can't afford to have a kid, and will be paying student loans until they're in their late 40's. You might say it's a choice some of us make. But for those of us sinking our entire life savings into one property and its associated upkeep costs, it's investing in a home. Hoping to make a small profit in the event we do sell is quite reasonable, given what is invested in a property well beyond mortgages and property taxes. Need a new roof? That'll be $12,000, and you better cough it up, or that leaky roof will destabilize your entire property and it will be condemned. There's no landlord to call. Reality is beckoning...



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