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Property owners, would you be ok with "affordable housing" in your neighborhood?

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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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It seems when it comes to property value, even the most liberal non-racist, "diversity is our strength" person will totally do a 180 when it comes down to Section 8 housing on their street or closeby. So would you be ok with your property values plummeting for the sake of diversity?

This article made me bring this up, and also reading the comments.

www.nytimes.com... r



“This is consistent with the president’s desire to see a fully integrated society,” said Ron Sims, then the deputy secretary with the Department of Housing and Urban Development. “Until now, we tended to lay dormant. This is historic, because we are going to hold people’s feet to the fire.”


I believe George Carlin talked about this... he called it NIMBY.. Not in my back yard.

BUILD MORE PRISONS, BUILD MORE PRISONS........................ BUT NOT HERE.

On a side note: why is the government trying to force diversity on us?




posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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No but seriously I wouldn't have a problem with anything that would give anyone more affordable housing, anywhere. To me your argument is generally an argument about collectivism vs induvidualism.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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I don't care so much for property values and more for the fact that section 8 seems to bring with it a lot of criminal activity. Now, if you get a place where things are actually managed and they have rules about decency and stuff like where my sister lives, then I'm cool with it. But that's just not the case in a lot of cases.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Is there a reason these "affordable" homes are not even considered in the neighborhoods of the wealthiest 1%, the privileged, the elite? Is there a reason it is only middle and lower income areas are the ones ASKED to take them in. Yes there is a reason. The rich don't want them around them - hell they don't want us around them. It doesn't even come up. If you are rich enough you get to pick your neighbors. Another way wealth is a factor and the 99% lose out to the 1%. Is that equitable? I don't think so.

But to answer your question: If there were the schools and infrastructure to support them - why not?

As long as "they" (and they means WE) are NOT going to just chuck them there and leave them without jobs or education, without sports facilities and playgrounds, libraries, parks and areas that will inspire and encourage physical and mental health, or without adequate and sufficient police protection, ambulance, fire and emergency services....water and electricity..you know - the basics.

This thread is like saying Conservatives are in favor of Nuclear Energy and Big Oil
but lets see what they say when you want to build a nuclear reactor next to their home or lay the pipeline in their backyard.

Fact is there are better places for all of these things and better more productive and proven effective ways to introduce them. For example...your affordable housing might be in the area of a factory or place of employment where most of the residents can find work.
As soon as liberals SUGGEST all low income people do some kind of work since everyone CAN DO SOMETHING...the other side calls this Marxist or Socialist. We just want contrary to the other sides opinion - everybody to get off their arse and work at whatever it is they do best.

People are also happiest when they are working so call it SOCIALIST...I don't care.
To each according to their needs and from each according to their skills - Makes a lot of sense.
Is there any other way to run a country and say you are doing the best by your people?
And that MUST MEAN ALL YOUR PEOPLE!
You cannot ignore the poor as if what they need does not matter or count.

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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by boot2theface



No but seriously I wouldn't have a problem with anything that would give anyone more affordable housing, anywhere. To me your argument is generally an argument about collectivism vs induvidualism.


No my post is more about realism. Affordable housing and the things that come along with it, do tend to make property values fall.


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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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Would I be okay? NO.

I've worked hard to make enough money to be able to live where I live. We all know the crime rates in areas like that. Fully integrate society?? No thanks. Everyone was born different for a reason. I happened to rise up and get out of the "ghetto". I don't want it coming to me.
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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:36 AM
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There is nothing wrong with socialism friend. Nothing at all.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by fictitious
Would I be okay? NO.

I've worked hard to make enough money to be able to live where I live. We all know the crime rates in areas like that. Fully integrate society?? No thanks. Everyone was born different for a reason. I happened to rise up and get out of the "ghetto". I don't want it coming to me.
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What if you were kept from using the beaches because they were reserved for the wealthy?

Would that class distinction be OK with you? If you can prevent someone poorer than you from occupying your neighborhood there will indeed come a day when you are kept off the beach.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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Fully integrate society?? No thanks.


Yeah, because when we're all separated and competing things get better for everyone right?



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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We have a massive farm in rural va. No neighbors. We have solar, enough to be off the grid should we choose. Well water, springs and an adjacent river. Several thousand acres of farmland and significant timber acreage. We have converted an old underground fallout shelter and we are biodiesel production capable. Paradise.

Now we have a house in the new orleans suburbs too. Nola is a prime example of what happens when you have no neighborhoods broken down by economic status. 3 million dollar mansion with crackhouses on either side. A mansion two blocks from the largest encampment of homeless people in the state and probably the country. All nola residents remember tent city right by the superdome.

What does not having economically divided neighborhoods mean to new orleans? You get the worst crime rate in the country and one of the most dangerous places in america. My wife wont even take the kids by herself to nola without me. Most residents wont walk after dark and if they do the areas are very limited. There are a few other cities with no economic housing barriers and all are cesspools for crime.

You say, "affordable housing" and I take that to mean low income housing and section 8 projects. People in nice neighborhoods dont want it near them, and with good reason and contrary to popular opinin it is not racism. If you buy a house in a nice neighborhood normally the HOA or the housing covenant forbids section 8 and generally has a minimum size and value for all new construction in the neighborhood. This is because they want a safe neighborhood and low income housing always raises the crime rate. When you buy in a nice neighborhood you expect your property value to increase. Low income housing decreases your property value and/or cuts the growth potential of your house value.

The simple fact is anyone with a lick of common sense who owns a home in a decent neighborhood does not want low income housing in their neighborhood. 100% of the time it raises the crime rate so you and your family isn't as safe. 100% of the time it is detrimental ro your property value. If your kids attend public school it will lower the quality of their education.

If folks choose low income housing they have to live with the consequenses. I prefer it to be compartmentalized so it doesn't affect my family or my property. In rural areas thete is a tone of low income housing on rural lots so people dont hafe to live in low income housing projects. A trailer on a rural lot is a lot safer than a housing project so families do have a choice.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by mayabong
It seems when it comes to property value, even the most liberal non-racist, "diversity is our strength" person will totally do a 180 when it comes down to Section 8 housing on their street or closeby. So would you be ok with your property values plummeting for the sake of diversity?




To me this seems like its an issue that has nothing whatsoever to do with diversity.

Its more to do with *anything* that lowers property values and it doesnt matter what that would be. Nuclear waste dump, toxic waste treatment plant, large scale pig farm, Section 8 housing, airport or motor racing circuit... or one of a million other things. Its nothing to do with diversity.
And you mentioned prisons. Is your country so short of available space that a prison has to be built in a "wealthy" suburb? I would think not. Anyone asking for one to be put there is simply wishing to annoy rich people for no other reason that they dont like rich people. Its got nothing to do with sensible planning.
Nor does demanding a Section 8 housing project be put there either.
Or a cement factory.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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Thats funny, I'm from St. Bernard. Great post BTW really expanded my thinking about this subject.


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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by fictitious
Would I be okay? NO.

I've worked hard to make enough money to be able to live where I live. We all know the crime rates in areas like that. Fully integrate society?? No thanks. Everyone was born different for a reason. I happened to rise up and get out of the "ghetto". I don't want it coming to me.
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What if you were kept from using the beaches because they were reserved for the wealthy?

Would that class distinction be OK with you? If you can prevent someone poorer than you from occupying your neighborhood there will indeed come a day when you are kept off the beach.


I'm not poor, but definitely not wealthy and there are a lot of things that finances prevent me from doing. I'd love to take a family vacation - the beach, Disney, anywhere. But that is apparently reserved for the wealthy. Even if you distributed all the money evenly among everyone, within a month you would still have those with, and those without. Life is not and will never be fair. Ever.

But I still want the right to make choices. I should be able to choose a safe, quiet small neighborhood if that's what I want and fits my budget. Other times in life I have scraped by and made choices to better my self and my situation. But I had to live in some sketchy apartments where drug dealers beat each other with pipes one floor down from us where we lived with our infant son. I understand that not everyone who needs affordable housing is a problem. Probably most aren't. But my experience says it's unpleasant and I don't want to raise my kids with that influence. I can choose not to be around it.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:06 AM
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Does the middle class accept this? Generally, no.

My state holds a couple of the wealthiest counties in the US. The one county decided to integrate, and they had the great white flight to the others. Enough so that the county dropped a few spots.

It really depends on how it is managed.

Baltimore got it under control by tearing down the crime infested, hideious section 8 towers and built subsidized housing.

The residents get help with the townhouses but the city acts like landlord. If the houses don't meet standards, they get evicted.

And it works. Probably the only smart thing the city has ever done.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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class war


can't take it with you when you die....



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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Hell no!
I live in a planned HOA Community. We have very strict rules about the outsides of our houses.
You can always tell when a homeowner rents their home though, the yard is never kept up and you can find trash in the yard and is just overall not kept up.

On top of that, I dont want my home value going down.....

So nope. Thankfully, it would never happen. The homeowners pay into the HOA and I doubt anyone would welcome it. I actually wish we werent even allowed to rent our homes......



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:46 AM
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I already live in a neighborhood with affordable housing.
Every year the values drop $5000.
If you want to live here, just wait a couple years.

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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Why does everybody associate "affordable housing" with drugs, crime and minorities?

I would love for someone to build affordable housing in my area. All that seems to go up anymore are those goddamn McMansions that nobody that I know personally can afford. I still can't figure how there can be such a huge marked for those damned things. Who makes enough money to buy a $800,000 house?

They need to start building small, humble single family homes like they did before the huge housing boom. Something the average, middle class worker can afford. Affordable housing means to me that normal, everyday people can afford to buy the houses. It just doesn't seem that there's a market for building them anymore.


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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:54 AM
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This thread is the reason I'm losing faith in humanity...



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by boot2theface
This thread is the reason I'm losing faith in humanity...


I'd love to live in the world you envision. I seriously doubt you've experienced this first hand though.



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