ATS - What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. True or False?, page 1

Philosophy - The old saying - What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Psychology 'experts' are rather bi-polar on this issue. (no surprise there)
Have YOU found the saying to be true or false? Emotionally ... spiritually ... physicallly ...
Do you care to share with us all why you believe the saying to be true or false?

Those who have had to endure watching a child die horribly from cancer .. are you stronger for it or did something in you die with that child? Did your faith and/or your sanity strengthen or weaken?
Those of you with PTSD ... do you feel stronger because of it or weaker?
Those of you with chronic illness .. do you feel stronger because of it or weaker?
Those of you enduring family members with mental health issues ...
Those of you who have had serious financial misfortunes ...
Those of you who have had your homes burn down ...
Those of you who have been through hurricanes or tornados or floods ...

ATS - Were they 'lessons learned' or just part of the misery of the 'human condition'?
Are you stronger or weaker ... or maybe nothing inside you changed??
ATS - What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. True or False?

Psychology Today - Whatever Doesn't Kill You Makes You Weaker

Friedrich Nietzsche, the German philosopher, famously said: "That which does not kill us makes us stronger." This notion found life beyond Nietzsche's--which is ironic, his having been rather short and miserable--and it continues to resonate within American culture.

One reason is that suffering, as Freud famously recognized, is an inevitable part of life. Thus we have developed many ways to try to ease it--one of which is bestowing upon it transformative powers (another is by believing in an afterlife, of which Freud disapproved; still another is coc aine, of which he was, for a time, a fan).....

....But the bulk of psychological research on the topic shows that, as a rule, if you are stronger after hardship, it is probably despite, not because of the hardship. The school of hard knocks does little more than knock you down, hard. Nietzschian--and country song--wisdom notwithstanding, we are not stronger in the broken places. What doesn't kill us in fact makes us weaker.

Developmental research has shown convincingly that traumatized children are more, not less, likely to be traumatized again. Kids who grow up in a tough neighborhood become weaker, not stronger. They are more, not less likely to struggle in the world. Trauma with lasting effects And the effect on adults is generally similar ....

ON THE FLIP SIDE - From 2010-

Physorg News - Study Confirms: What Doesn't Kill You Makes You Stronger

... a new national multi-year longitudinal study of the effects of adverse life events on mental health has found that adverse experiences do, in fact, appear to foster subsequent adaptability and resilience, with resulting advantages for mental health and well being....

"Our findings revealed," he says, "that a history of some lifetime adversity -- relative to both no adversity or high adversity -- predicted lower global distress, lower functional impairment, lower PTS symptoms and higher life satisfaction."

Then there is this from the article .. which sounds to me like the people experiencing adverse situations 'just got used to them' or 'gave up caring' rather than 'got stronger'. Unless you all think that giving up caring or getting used to adversity is somehow 'stronger'?? Looks to me to be more like .. putting a lobster in a boiling pot of water verses putting a lobster in a pot of water and slowly turning the heat up .. he doesn't notice the slow turn up as much until it's too late.

The team also found that, across these same longitudinal outcome measures, people with a history of some lifetime adversity appeared less negatively affected by recent adverse events than other individuals

Psycnet ... PDF available for 'Whatever doesn't kill you .. '

reply to post by TheMindWar

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There is physically stronger/weaker ... like chemo making you weaker or a vaccination making you stronger.

And there is emotionally stronger/weaker .. like going to war and coming out with PSTD or not.

And there is spiritually stronger/weaker ... like being a person of faith having to watch a child die of cancer - do you believe God treated that child well or does your faith go out the window and you no longer believe in a loving God. (Athiests would probably say 'no more belief' makes you smarter while Christians would probably say 'no more belief' makes you weaker)

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. True or false?

reply to post by FlyersFan

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most interesting thread title I have seen in a while. S n F. Back in few to comment

reply to post by FlyersFan

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Seeing how the spirit is immortal, I do see us as getting "stronger" (wiser, really), because nothing can truly kill you. Always growing, always evolving. The body may die, but the information it gained gets uploaded into the vast energy of the universe, aka the "super-conscious". The body comes from the earth (we're made up of various minerals and elements, "star dust"), and returns that material back into the earth when it dies, so even that is never really gone, it's basically just recycled. The consciousness however permeates everything, so wisdom gained from an avatar (body) will always exist - memories are forever, they also say. Even if humans became extinct, something else would take it's place, but the story of humanity is still forever engraved in our consciousness.

The pain feels SO real... time feels SO real... death looks SO real... all for the sake of experiencing it. I've personally gone through a lot of ups and downs which I don't want to get into. I look upon all of that simply as pages in the story of this person that I'm living as. A story would be horribly boring if nothing happened in it, and unfortunately (or fortunately for the sake of the story) a lot of what happens is not always nice. Contrast, Yin and Yang; balance in this plane of existence is necessary to bring out experiences. We're the conscious observer, and life is our drama - but we take it one step further by actually being the characters in that drama as well.

That's my point of view on it.

reply to post by FlyersFan

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Arguably it could be either.

Example, you contract a potentially deadly disease but manage to pull through it just barely. As a result you are now IMMUNE to this disease. The very first vaccinations worked on just this principle, you would be given a weakened dose of the disease and thus your immune system would get stronger.

On the other hand there's just some stuff you don't get over. Ending up paralyzed from the neck down after a car accident might make you stronger, in some abstract psychological/personality way or it might just leave you trapped in your own body and struggling to continue life without being able to move under your own power.

reply to post by FlyersFan

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i enjoyed reading the op in the way u r puting it, i have the answer but it is a bit complicate let me start by the most short answer as it is clear already absolutely free

first, the true question to ask, is why, bc if the answer is nothing, then the question so the issue is true

if the answer is smthg, like u mean existing in best condition always then the answer cant b so it is nothing as any relative fake thing in evil times

to grasp the importance of a question to b true, is to know that what is true as truth is more then existing and always then more then a fact superiority, do a true question is by its fact dealing with superior existence facts
to care about dealing with superior existence facts is to b true but this is another crucial point not for here

now the question, what doesnt kill u makes u stronger?, is true issue bc it sounds not right so false, so as if u r bringing smthg that everyone repeat being as a fact of one life while objectively without meaning smthg particularly out of it, u disagree with

i confirm from my perspective it is a total evil creation of means, evil cant create but subjective powers which is actually life, the oness which is the way of liars to achieve looking as real from objective true existence rights

to prove what i said, this question is taken from the fact known, what u dont kill make u more existing, reversed as, what doesnt kill u, so giving all the energy of moves to oness, makes u stronger, again oness confirming being the source of anyone making its things possessions as hard in shapes to move, so it means that u never move so do not exist ever

now the fact what u do recognize existing even in moving away as else, increase ur sense of existing, that fact is right so may b true relatively

from truth conception superiority as being existence objective value,

when truth is free superiority and when truth exist so any is free superiority then else recognition existing even in moving away from increase the sense of being existing as true fact

it is a major point that radically prove in one sentence how oness is of course evil always, oness by definition do not recognize else concept while truth is only the else coming first bc only objective superior freedom exist, so oneself is more free as more positive still sense but else is more the true existing perspective bc objective is absolute freedom superiority

now again here im touching a point that do not concern this op, what it means that objective superior freedom is what exist in truth which is freedom superiority as the justification and the way key of always positive objective existence constancies

so what doesnt kill u make u stronger is evil fallacy will

anyone that mean to kill u is always there as stronger otherwise it could reach that far in absolute existence to perceive its ability to destroy u so superior to u in negative inferior terms, when as i said, what is truly superior is only what can b positive fact alone and mean else in superior perspective of objective truth superiority

so what can threaten u is what prove that u r not free and if u dont have an objective freedom right recognition then u do not exist and if u do not exist then u r nothing and if u r nothing while matter of facts objectively then u r in hell constancy, if u cant b nothing freedom what r u gonna do??

then what doesnt kill u, enslave u to force urself to b false positive sense, so evil ways

by using others and objective facts as things u can pretend through being more powerful existence since u didnt die yet and from what didnt kill u powers kept upon u

reply to post by FlyersFan

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If you interpreted my opening remarks as disparaging, I assure you that was not my intent. I am sorry that you focused on that and not the remainder of what I said. I can understand your struggle. I hope you find the answers you seek. Blessings.

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