Human Spontaneous Combustion : Paranormal or Natural explanation ?, page 1


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Topic started on 4-4-2012 @ 04:50 AM by Ben81
The Human Spontaneous combustion is really really bizzare
many cases are still unexplained to this day
most of them just cannot be explained by any sciences

First official reported case was 300 yrs ago
200 more were officialy reported (the unexplained ones)
probably a lot more

After many coroners analysis
they all agree that the fire came from the body itself
burning at a very high temperature
transforming the bones into ashes

Most cases reveal that the combustion were controlled to the body only
all plastic things surrounding the bed melted a little bit
but the fire didnt spread like it normaly do in a house

The victims are so burned that they look like cremated .. bones are ashes
but the feets still remain in most cases

The spontaneous combustion of people (i.e. death from a fire originating within the victim's body without a direct external cause) is a theorised explanation for a number of unexplained cases, some of which are well-documented and many of which are not. The more convincing cases share the following characteristics:

*The body is completely or almost completely incinerated, while nearby furniture that should normally have been damaged under such temperatures remains intact.

*Damage is limited to the victim's clothing, to the area of the floor or furniture on which he or she died, and to the ceiling above the corpse.

*The torso is the focus of the fire, and if remains are found these are of the extremities, such as the feet.

*There are no traces of fire accelerant, and the fire does not have an evident external cause.

*The victim is typically alone at the time of death, and is thought to have been alive when the fire started, despite showing little sign of having struggled


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any chimical explanation ??
anything they ate ??

Did a phoenix demon touched them ?
Did they made a pact with a cross road demon 10 yrs ago ?

there is so many questions regarding these strange cases

maybe its time to look more into a paranormal explanations
since science wasnt able to resolve it in 300 yrs

anythough? ..
Do you think some mythical creature like the pheonix is at fault here ?
or a demon from hell collected some poor soul by burning their body with the fire of hell ?






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reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 04:54 AM by sonnny1
reply to post by Ben81



The court was told that no trace of an accelerant had been found and there had been nothing to suggest foul play. The court heard Mr Faherty had been found lying on his back with his head closest to an open fireplace. The fire had been confined to the sitting room. The only damage was to the body, which was totally burnt, the ceiling above him and the floor underneath him. Dr McLoughlin said he had consulted medical textbooks and carried out other research in an attempt to find an explanation. He said Professor Bernard Knight, in his book on forensic pathology, had written about spontaneous combustion and noted that such reported cases were almost always near an open fireplace or chimney.


'First Irish case' of death by spontaneous combustion

....noted that such reported cases were almost always near an open fireplace or chimney.That's telling.

S&F


reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 05:53 AM by micpsi
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to
post by Ben81



The court was told that no trace of an accelerant had been found and there had been nothing to suggest foul play. The court heard Mr Faherty had been found lying on his back with his head closest to an open fireplace. The fire had been confined to the sitting room. The only damage was to the body, which was totally burnt, the ceiling above him and the floor underneath him. Dr McLoughlin said he had consulted medical textbooks and carried out other research in an attempt to find an explanation. He said Professor Bernard Knight, in his book on forensic pathology, had written about spontaneous combustion and noted that such reported cases were almost always near an open fireplace or chimney.


'First Irish case' of death by spontaneous combustion

....noted that such reported cases were almost always near an open fireplace or chimney.That's telling.

S&F



Not really. An academic forensic pathologist predisposed to clutching at any circumstance he could find that might be relevant to an explanation would be expected to see significance in the victim being near a fire. But this presupposes that a cinder from the fire caused the SHC. This is ridiculous because, even if clothing caught fire, the temperature that would be needed to cause the reported degree of incineration far exceeds that reached by burning clothes. Therefore, the fact (if, indeed, it was true) that SHC victims are often found near fires is totally irrelevant if nothing from the fire could have been hot enough to cause the extreme degree of combustion. It merely reflects the likelihood that people tend to sit near fires!

The degree of destruction of a body - plus the fact that very little in the immediate neighbourhood is burnt, despite the enormous temperatures present a few feet away in the burning body - has been given no satisfactory scientific explanation.


reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 05:58 AM by mblahnikluver
This topic has spooked me since I was a kid watching Unsolved Mysteries.

There were a few shows on SHC. It always freaked me out. The two I remember were, one where a husband and wife were in the kitchen and the wife (if I remember correctly) just started smoking from her body. The other one was an elderly lady who died in her bed and only her and the parts immediately around her bed are burnt. It was a really creepy picture. A few of the ones I have seen they try and say cigarettes caused the fire and there is no way a cigarette will do that kind of burning...no way, esp burning bone to ash!

I don't know what this is but I tend to think it might be something internal in the body. I'm not sure what I think it is internally but I think it could be chemicals in the body?




reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 06:10 AM by tom.farnhill
reply to post by SpearMint



there has been cases where the person's arms burst into flames in front of witnesses .
so no the victem does not need to be asleep at the time of combustion


reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 07:18 AM by xBlueButterflyx
I've read a few theories myself...one involves static electricity.



Other theories speculate that the fire begins as a result of a buildup of static electricity inside the body or from an external geomagnetic force exerted on the body


Or the cell theory.


A self-proclaimed expert on spontaneous human combustion, Larry Arnold, has suggested that the phenomenon is the work of a new subatomic particle called a pyroton, which he says interacts with cells to create a mini-explosion.


This also gives some explanation as to why a body is able to burn so easily if this happens.



A possible explanation is the wick effect, which proposes that the body, when lit by a cigarette, smoldering ember or other heat source, acts much like an inside-out candle. A candle is composed of a wick on the inside surrounded by a wax made of flammable fatty acids. The wax ignites the wick and keeps it burning. In the human body, the body fat acts as the flammable substance, and the victim's clothing or hair acts as the wick. As the fat melts from the heat, it soaks into the clothing and acts as a wax-like substance to keep the wick burning slowly. Scientists say this is why victims' bodies are destroyed yet their surroundings are barely burned.



However most cases of combustion people are found to have fallen asleep with a lit cigarette or have been found to be under the influence of drinking. So this leads me to think it doesn't just happen out of nowhere, maybe in some cases it does.

Most of the information I found here if your curious to look.

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reply posted on 4-4-2012 @ 01:26 PM by PuterMan
reply to post by Ben81



Interesting topic. I remember vividly a photograph of an elderly lady who had been 'murdered'. I saw the photograh when I was at the (UK) Metropolitan Police headquarters back in the 1960s.

I still, as I said, remember that image and it was just as described. Only the hands, feet and head were left. The body was ash but the bedclothes outside the area of the 'burn' and areas beyond the bed were untouched. No explanation was given at the time as to how this 'murder' could have been performed.
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