Obama: Where Is He On The Political Compass?

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by sonnny1

 

What are you hiding Sonny? You win the thread though.

ETA okay 3-way tie for you Neo and Seabag lol

No comments on where Obama is?

edit on 4-4-2012 by Kali74 because: (no reason given)

I actually did mine,but I didnt post it. I was central,almost in the center.
Go Figure......

Btw,S&F

HAHA I am a centered right! All of you leftist libertarians are beginning to show your true colors now huh?



I'm not going to lie, the questions on this test are extremely stupid and bias towards a certain political agenda.

And it looks like Pauly isn't that much more different than the other guys. Who would have thought??

reply to post by Kali74


Kali74,

You must be my long lost sibling! (Explains why my parents insisted I was adopted I guess.)

Our charts were VERY close to identical.

Your comrade,

Hessling

P.S. - Know any good sites I can pick up a Che Guevara t-shirt and coffee mug?

Originally posted by arbiture
reply to post by pierregustavetoutant

 

Authoritarian? The corporate system is a trans-national reality so I don't know how to address that gripe. But politicly Obama is certainly center and in many ways slightly to the right. He is the most moderate guy running by far, and so far removed from the Republicans who are in bed with any and all corporate interests so to compare him with the GOP, they are a whiny bought and sold joke.

And if you want your Sol REALY sold to the corporations fine, then vote for the Republicans. And Romney? Good God that twit changes his positions several times a day depending on which way the wind blows and the audience he is addressing. He is unbelievably pathetic, but at least a bit less an American Taliban like Rick Santorum. Pity the GOP will never accept Ron Paul, the man has principles and the rest? Don't get me started on that...

Spoken like someone allied with ideology.

Obama did everything in his power to make sure BP made away like bandits. And was actively trying to stop locals from defending their marshlands.

His admin is currently taking away our locals' rights to eat the way they like to eat.

His alliance and backroom deals with with Big Pharma are what got his destructive healthcare package passed. How exactly is forcing an industry's product on the American people by gunpoint not looking out for their interests?
His vast expansion of federal police powers has been a huge boon to security contractors. Oh, yeah: In doing so he has dwarfed the tyrannical activities of George W Bush.

Is Romney corporate shill? You betcha, and I don't care for him. But at least he's open about it.
Obama is the greatest enemy to the poor and middle class this nation has ever seen.
Anyone who promotes dependency is promoting your slavery. At no point in human interactions or human history has a dependent ever had any say in their own destiny. The "99%" will get what they are asking for: To be complete and total slaves of the elite.

Obama is fooling a bunch of fools. He only uses socialist talking points and programs to achieve, yes VERY authoritarian aims. Please explain how "authoritarian" does not apply, BTW. Or how "trans-national" has any stake in the matter. not computing. Or is it impossible to pursue an authoritarian policy just because you support trans-national interests. I don't see any connection.

Bullseye dead center green.
No suprise really. However, I didn't like the agree or disagree on areas that are far more complex than a thumbs up/down subject matter.

This is however fitting in todays politics..a nice 2d graph trying to represent 3d concepts. no depth allowed within the subtext of each answers.

But ya, I am close to the Dhali Lhama...bit left of him actually (the damn neo-con)

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

Obama did everything in his power to make sure BP made away like bandits. And was actively trying to stop locals from defending their marshlands.

Yes, I wonder what would have happened if the Republicans were in charge


Oh...right...actually I don't wonder...due to facts painting what they would do and tried to do.

Yes, keep condemning Obama as being in bed with BP..
Bet you won't comment on this

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Lets talk about ideology since you seem aware of what I'm "allied" with. Lets see first the Republican parrots called Obama a socialist, that is if anyone actually knows what socialism was it would be obvious he wasn't. Oh wait then he was a Muslim, or wait now he's an atheist! How someone can be all of those things bobbles my mind, no matter. As for the Obama care initiative personally I would have preferred a single payer option, not a mandate. But my God! That is socialism, ah isn't it?

And you think Romney is at least honest about being owned by special interests? Wait an hour and his views on who owns him at this minute and what his position is on ANYTHING and that will no doubt change. You may not to have to wait an hour. God help us if that weak wuss gets into office, think he can't be intimidated? Ah hum.

And Obama beholden to Big Pharm.? Just how? And if you want to see who's bought and paid for by every industrial interest in the US you don't have to look any farther then any Republican candidate, except Ron Paul. Anyway he's way to honest and principled for the Republicans to ever accept him. Frankly I don't know why Dr Paul wastes his time with those losers.

reply to post by Kali74


I wanna play...




I am not so sure how accurate the results are though. I don't argue that I should be on the lower right of the scale, only that I should be much farther down on it. The amount towards the right is probably about correct.

I didn't bother reading the explanation or instructions to the test so that might explain it. Though basically it is right as I am much more libertarian than I am towards the right, and this reflects that.

I wouldn't call Obama a socialist, only that he has leaning towards socialism, he is a hybrid combination of communism, fascism, corporatism, and authoritarianism mixed in with a dash of the tyranny of the majority being sound government.

I think he fancies himself as the next FDR. I wouldn't really disagree, FDR was much worse but they are quite the same in their policy, rhetoric and actions. Just for total disclosure, I hate FDR too but it is silly how people just think that getting rid of Obama will solve all our problems, kinda like how people thought the same about Bush jr.

I wish it was that easy.

I think when people call Obama a socialist, they are just venting frustrations, not making a political argument that he strictly believes in a socialist government but that he supports programs that could be characterized as socialist in nature. That might be part of the confusion.

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I'm not a communist, though ideologically I don't find Communism bad...just never implemented well (same for Capitalism ).
As I was saying to my good friend, according to that chart we could build a commune of individuals.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Hessling

 

I'm not a communist, though ideologically I don't find Communism bad...just never implemented well (same for Capitalism

).

I'm not one either (can't get past the "no God" thingie). Although I concur on the poor implementation for both economic ideologies.

As I was saying to my good friend, according to that chart we could build a commune of individuals.

I'd like to make a reservation for the commune. Heck, I believe when all is said and done things are going to be a lot more localized.

I just hope we can have Jagermeister at the commune. Otherwise, all bets are off!

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However, I've used this other site before, as it sort of breaks things down more;

You are a cosmopolitan Social Democrat. 16 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 23 percent are more extremist than you.

Political Test

reply to post by spacedog1973


Good addition, thank-you...I'm in the same category as you are with only 11% of participants being more extreme than myself.

Scored like right on top of the Dalai Lama.






Sounds right to me.

Originally posted by Open2Truth
Well I very rarely post to any of the political forums on ATS. Perhaps my graph illustrates why.

Kali we could be ideological sisters!

What does that make me? A right wing fanatic in comparison




Damn, do I have to change my profiles to liberal libertarian now?

Seems pretty close, I guess. I think most Americans are where I am, but they are told in the media they are either the American definition of left or right. The left in power, in this country, is practically as far right and authoritarian as Republicans. Obama is most definitely placed correctly on the graph. There is nothing whatsoever Socialist about Obama. He is far-right because of his further erosion of liberties and the continued wars, as well as being a corporate protectionist. He loves to fix markets for corporations just as much as his buddy Bush. There really is no left and libertarian/anarchist candidate in this country. Paul is the closest we can get to an individual with social libertarian principles, but I think he trusts corporations/business and the "free" market too much. (Not debating that last point.)
It just highlights how little choice we have concerning our representatives. We can thank the media for bounding our politics to far right and extremely far right. I really believe there is a massive wave of support for Populist ideas in America. Where business is beholden to the people, and the benefits to citizens, and society as a whole, should be the main concern on every issue. It is time for alternative media to really grow and expose people to new ways of thinking and candidates with no affiliation to the American "left" or "right" establishments. I think the business-worship of America is over, and we are returning to Populist principles.

Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.77

On Kali's, I wasn't able to complete spacedog's test for whatever reason.

he's a 90's republican

very few realize that or accept it

With the religious questions I am a neoconservative

Without the religious questions I am a liberal conservative AKA centrist.

Apparently you are conservative only based on the religious questions which is absurd... I am not a liberal just because I don't think schools should teach religious classes... Stupid test. I would say most of these tests either lean towards libertarian or liberal right off the bat. That being said, I'm sure if you put yourself at an older age they would rank you more conservative based on the certain data that you put into their database. It's all a computer program. Frankly, it's very hard for a computer program to figure out where you stand on the political spectrum. Only you know in your heart.

www.politicaltest.net...

Wow, that is really cool! Here is mine........

This test may have its limitations but it is interesting to note that all of the presidential candidates are grouped together. We truly have only one choice in these elections....more of the same....a douche vs. a turd sandwich. It will be interesting to watch how many people take the test and post their results.