Australia " peacefully invaded" by 2500 Marines., page 2

reply to post by Rosha

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You see, that is what I don't understand here. I'm not familiar with Indonesia's military or it's power..but I sure know China's by heart. 2,500 U.S. Marines are fearsome...to most nations. That number is little more than comic relief to China. What are they supposed to do? China would have to view them as a serious tool to be used in some way for the statement to carry any meaning. 20,000 would make a statement. 2,500 is smaller than some overseas temporary deployments the U.S. makes strictly for training aid. ??

Maybe it is all about Indonesia? Again..I don't know much about them. Not my corner of the world. Would 2,500 Marines stationed in a different nation so physically distant make for serious hand wringing in Jakarta? It just doesn't make sense..... The Air Force can airlift several times that many in very short order if needs be..and everyone on Earth knows it. What is the point of actually stationing them there if not to be ready for immediate deployment in a way someone has already given some thought to?

reply to post by Jace26

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No it's not colonization, it it was we would be giving you arms and helping build schools. In which case you would be lucky

It is now about a central world government and it doesn't have as much to do with colonization as it does having a strategic advantage, but our president is a socialist, thats a communist with a smile and our military is in a major disagreement with our president so like I said it's complicated.

Originally posted by Rosha
reply to post by RockLobster

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Our population was disarmed many years ago...


This is about US having access to the South China Sea for the first time since Vietnam..its not just us who should be worried, if they start another Vietnam here its you who will be drafted to come here en mass and be deployed from our shores to go kill kong again.

I am almost glad my brother died in the last Vietnam war...he'd never have coped with this news.


Ro

edit on 3-4-2012 by Rosha because: typos

I`m English , and i have no intention of fighting any war for anyone , not even for England , i`m more useful to my family if i stay with them. Especially for what`s coming.

But i get what you mean

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Rosha

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You see, that is what I don't understand here. I'm not familiar with Indonesia's military or it's power..but I sure know China's by heart. 2,500 U.S. Marines are fearsome...to most nations. That number is little more than comic relief to China. What are they supposed to do? China would have to view them as a serious tool to be used in some way for the statement to carry any meaning. 20,000 would make a statement. 2,500 is smaller than some overseas temporary deployments the U.S. makes strictly for training aid. ??

Maybe it is all about Indonesia? Again..I don't know much about them. Not my corner of the world. Would 2,500 Marines stationed in a different nation so physically distant make for serious hand wringing in Jakarta? It just doesn't make sense..... The Air Force can airlift several times that many in very short order if needs be..and everyone on Earth knows it. What is the point of actually stationing them there if not to be ready for immediate deployment in a way someone has already given some thought to?

This isn't about Indonesia, in fact nothing to do with it. This is purely in American interests.
If this were in Australias interest why would we be sending billions of dollars of food, aid, doctors, etc to Indonesia every year?

reply to post by Rosha

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Were not an empire, but I agree the Federal Government is out of control and acting like one.

Australia may very well be the next free world.

Point is don't fear the marines. I have more faith in them than the president.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Jace26

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No it's not colonization, it it was we would be giving you arms and helping build schools. In which case you would be lucky

It is now about a central world government and it doesn't have as much to do with colonization as it does having a strategic advantage, but our president is a socialist, thats a communist with a smile and our military is in a major disagreement with our president so like I said it's complicated.

"Multiculturism"
"AID"
"The World Bank"
and many others are all modern day "colonization", do you think the war in Libya was about humanitarian reasons or for establishing western influence over its resources?
Even traditional forms of colonization are still being carried out, the native Tibetans are being ethnically genocided and their populations being replaced by Chinese settlers. Even in PNG, the Chinese have began sending in colonists to take over the commonwealth country.

reply to post by Jace26

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None of those things are american.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Rosha

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Were not an empire, but I agree the Federal Government is out of control and acting like one.

Australia may very well be the next free world.

Point is don't fear the marines. I have more faith in them than the president.

The US is acting as an empire. Sorry but the facts support it..167 countries ' occupied' by US military bases and counting. One has to ask " why" and who gives you the right? You have no right to declare yourself global policeman...no right to set up shop wherever you feel like it. By actions you claim the right but it isnt REAL...its false reality bs.

I dont buy the 'dont worry they're marines' bs..sorry..they are armed men on our soil from a foreign country who are serving well known mobsters and corporate cartels and they have NO right that we the Australian people directly have given them to be here. Our leaders may have sold out..but we havent. Apart from the cash strapped brothels or barmaids at Dickies in Darwin, I doubt anyone of reasoned mind or any education is 'welcoming' this event.

IMO, If marines these days truly HAD any honour and courage they would have refused deployment to Iraq..Afghanistan and now Australia and focused their 'honour' on doing their real job of defending their own land and consitutution from internal parasites eating them away and would be busy seeing those mobsters to jail so none of this would even need to be written at all.


Ro

reply to post by Jace26

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Thank you. We certainly agree in this having no logical basis for being about China or Indonesia....unless I'm still missing something huge about Indonesia?

Anyway... my reply was to a post whose first two lines made the case that this was about nothing BUT China and Indo..which, for reasons we've both said now..makes no sense. Oh well... Crazy world. Why do I keep expecting things to make sense? lol

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Jace26

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None of those things are american.

??? Oh really???

America has bases all over Australia.

America has expressed it wants the Cocos Islands (Australian Territory).

American CIA officials are responsible for the 1975 Australian Constitutional Crisis, the death of Harold Holt, and most recently the 2010 Coup of Prime Minister Rudd.

America is now sending over their workers to take the jobs of Aussies.

The list just goes on....

reply to post by Rosha

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I am just trying to tell you that there is no reason to fear the marines. I do not believe they would be hostile. Thats just my honest opinion.

Of course if you acted hostile towards them they might. But other than that, I don't think theres anything you should be worried about, just because they are armed.

Show one or two of them a good time, you might be surprised. They are not as bad as the rest of the world makes them out to be. You might actually like them and not know it yet.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Jace26

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Thank you. We certainly agree in this having no logical basis for being about China or Indonesia....unless I'm still missing something huge about Indonesia?

Anyway... my reply was to a post whose first two lines made the case that this was about nothing BUT China and Indo..which, for reasons we've both said now..makes no sense. Oh well... Crazy world. Why do I keep expecting things to make sense? lol

China works via Indonesia as a trading partner to Australia..we have had good trade relationship until now as this deployment has not been received well by either Indonesia or China. In this sense, it *is* about intimidating China and ensuring they know the big ole US is in the area...and more importatnly it is about the US having direct access to the South China Sea for greater military strategic placement for FUTURE wars....

Basically..they aim to f*ck up our relationships with our neighbours so you can all feel more cosy.

Kudos.

reply to post by Jace26

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The US Government has been infiltrated but the world bank and all other things you mentioned are not American and neither are some of the military bases or whatever. It's a complicated situation, the marines however are american. Does this make sense?

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Rosha

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I am just trying to tell you that there is no reason to fear the marines. I do not believe they would be hostile. Thats just my honest opinion.

Of course if you acted hostile towards them they might. But other than that, I don't think theres anything you should be worried about, just because they are armed.

Show one or two of them a good time, you might be surprised. They are not as bad as the rest of the world makes them out to be. You might actually like them and not know it yet.

They are here..they are not leaving. that IS enough to fear them.

They are working for the elite not even Us interests..let alone Australian.

In a nation of disarmed people, they are carrying weapons.

They are attached to the single most diseased, agressive and disgusting military and political power on earth.

They are here against the will of the people who chose NOT to go to war several times...and now may not be given a choice.



If your so keen to show them a good time..why dont you come down show them one..spread your thighs for a few while your at it..we are not US whores thanks...dont expect us to be.


Ro

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Jace26

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The US Government has been infiltrated but the world bank and all other things you mentioned are not American and neither are some of the military bases or whatever. It's a complicated situation, the marines however are american. Does this make sense?

IF they are American then they have a choice NOT to deploy. They have CHOSEN to deploy which only makes matters worse.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by Rosha

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I am just trying to tell you that there is no reason to fear the marines. I do not believe they would be hostile. Thats just my honest opinion.
t.

Tell that to the citizens of Aghanistan, Iraq et al etc etc etc...


Over a million Iraqi *civillians* are now dead and for what..for who ?

Who killed them again?

Ahh thats right..honorable courageous US marines.

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