The Underground - A Hidden Reality and The True Story of Phil Schneider.

Originally posted by nineix

Originally posted by The Shrike

Originally posted by RUSSO
Phil Schneider died in 1996. Previous to his death he had been on tour across the United States speaking out about various subjects including his involvement with building a secret underground base in Dulce, New Mexico for the military. It is an interesting story. Its a worth watching if you like the subject.

Ghost01 already has a thread on Phil Schneider from 2007. You should have used the Search function.

Phil Schnider Debunked! I'm tired of the lies!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I've come across this too, but, I've been looking for other outside sources to support the loss of fingers in drilling accident, as well as last person seeing Phil alive being a prostitute.

HERE is a statement from Phil Schnieder's wife. Please note #11 regarding unknown blonde haired woman.
This is likely the prostitute that is referred to in some accounts.
Still seeking other sources.

You may also want to note that the source I just linked is a source that supports the murder theory, which by some degrees supports the spooky UFO conspiracy stuff.
You may thus want to consider how I'm attempting to go about linking sources in a fair, unbiased, and honest way.

How many others are willing to do the same?

edit on 3-4-2012 by nineix because: (no reason given)

Well, since you asked, the right thing to have done was to revive an already existing thread and added your comments which would have elicited the comments "your" thread has done. Duplication is a waste.

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I never would have heard about this documentary if the op didn't post it, so thanks op.

The whole dulce thing with it's horror stories creeps me out, I don't know if I wholeheartedly believe it, but it makes for good entertainment I'll let you know how I feel after the movie

reply to post by nineix
'As I understand it,' nobody got to know how Schneider lost his fingers, but they made a great prop for his BS.

The Philadelphia Experiment was a hoax so whenever someone in the conspiracy business uses it to bolster their claims it's as good as tar and feathers. Likewise, when somebody on the internet believes somebody yammering on about the Philly Experiment, it's probable they haven't lifted a finger to check it out. Jacques Vallee interviewed the creator of the hoax (Allende) who cheerfully admitted to it all.

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In other words... you just made it up

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No, I did not just make it up, but, if thinking that makes you feel better, have at it, and feel free to reply with further one liners that do nothing in any way to contribute anything worthwhile to the discussion.

I have not attacked anyone here, or called them liars. I've only questioned the validity of Phil Schneider and his story based on what I've heard in the past (unsourced, as of yet, admittedly).

I've even made statements of fairness that if I am indeed in error and find that I have been in error, I will admit it.
I've further asked for patience, yet, it seems such a commodity is in short supply, at least on your end.

In defense of my position, while continuing to look for source material, could you please show me absolute undeniable evidence that aliens are indeed real and have a base under Dulce, or anywhere else for that matter?

All you need to do is present to me just one undeniable real alien.

Uh huh.

Regardless of whether Phil Schneider lost his fingers to alien fish gutting death rays, a drilling accident, or an embarrassing incident preparing cocktail drinks for prostitutes or anyone for that matter, the whole story is thin fantasy gruel, and stands closer to complete fabricated poop than anything resembling fact or truth.
That's my opinion and I'm free to express it as it applies to the topic.

reply to post by nineix

That's my opinion and I'm free to express it as it applies to the topic.

Yet, Im failing to see the sources to your claims.

Originally posted by nineix
As I understood it, Phil lost his fingers in a drilling accident, and the his whole story was total fiction.
As I understood it, the last person to have seen him alive was a prostitute he hired to 'entertain' him while he was on his rock star tour, making money, telling this fantastic story labelled as fact.

To have such an 'understanding' one must have heard it somewhere. It is not uncommon in the pursuit of denying ignorance to provide the source that lead one to have such understanding

Originally posted by nineix
That's my opinion and I'm free to express it as it applies to the topic.

Quite so

Originally posted by RUSSO
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You can email who made the video.

Im just following the ATS rules. Its the exact title.

If you want my oppinion, YES, I think Phil Schneider was a very brave man to tell his story.

ME TOO!
S&F.

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Ok the Philadelphia experiment was one of the things that could make his stories doubtful, what about the rest? I mean can't a person be spicing up his story while telling also true things? Why would he do it? I don't know, over excitment?

Ok my position on underground bases is that there are indeed such, there is indeed a connection between some of the millitary bases whether with high speed trains or whatever, and some gawd knows experiments in theory are aboslutely possible to do. Some people have claimed to have seen vents in the Archuleta Mesa and darn it the area is so big that you really have to spend days and months of searching the entire Mesa to say 'Oh I didn't find anything, therefore it doesn't exist'.

Originally posted by Imtor
I will use this for Google Maps as well but you tell what it looks like in Google Earth:

Norio Hayakawa who's held some of the Dulce conferences has this youtube video where he shows something that looks like a door or gate, the coordinates he gives (also on his youtube video description):

maps.google.com...

Now about having alien beings deep underground, some random stories on the net saying even caves or others who go deep to have such creatures like in Sweden, I have to go that deep myself to known.

I'm not sure he really 'fought/shot aliens' im not sure his 'The govs are preparing te world for depopulation' is anything more than his own theories without proof but I think some of the things he says including places deep underground having something else is beyond possible.

This saying from what I know about him, I will comment on the video later today when I have time to watch it.

How to hide the victims of Dulce Alien War?

The Santa Fe penitentiary Riot in 1980: The Devil's Butcher Shop

This isn't in regard to Phil's finger's or the claimed prostitute, but, it puts a hole in the U-boat story.

Kptlt. Otto Oscar Schneider on US secret projects

There is a story floating around that this said U-boat commander worked on some highly classified US National Secrets after the war. I believe he is reported to have been a commander of a VIIC or IXC U-boat in the Atlantic during the war.

The simple answer to this one is that there was no U-boat commander in WWII with that name. Only 2 commanders with that last name in the war; Herbert Schneider died while in command of U-522 and Manfred Schneider only commander the small XXIII boat U-4706 for the last 3 months of the war, never on patrol. This story is just that, a story.

Source for that is uboat.net in their myths section uboat.net

I'm currently mining for Phil Schneider's medical records detailing the loss of his fingers, but, as you might know, due to HIPPA compliance regulations all about patient privacy, even after death, getting my grubby little paws on the docs may not be legally possible, and I have no intention of crossing legal barriers just to prove a point.

In regard to the u-boat commander fiction, considering that it is indeed fiction as cited above, me thinks that shot alone is enough to sink this.
Lies are like cockroaches. They hate the light of truth, and where you find one, 20 dozen others are likely close by.
In other words, since the u-boat captain father story is a lie, probabilities for quite a bit more, if not every bit of this story is also statistically higher for being false now than for being true.

If any rats want to leave the sinking u-boat, now would be a good time.
If, however, any rats want to cling to this fantasy-land fabrication, then, you're welcome to do so.

Aside from this topic, there's some other points of interest in the same section of the cited site uboats.net that may tie into other conspiracies and speculations, like u-boats hauling tons of mercury, or u-boats in Antarctica if anyone is interested in taking a look.

I'll keep digging and, if you're patient, I'll be back to post more little bits to challenge this nonsense.

Edit: there's some valid points made here by forum member/moderator Gazrok: www.abovetopsecret.com...

The root of that thread is HERE in case you're too lazy to find it yourself. The thread goes on for 6 pages (7 if you count the blank post at the end), so, it's not too arduous a read for anyone interested in denying their own ignorance, or, as is in some cases, embracing it where many seem to have selective reading comprehension skills when it comes to their favorite little fantasies getting holes poked all through them.
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Actually, in citing that thread, I'm going to lean back for a bit and pause in my digging.

I am undecided on Schneider. I do recall an Indian (Hopi?) myth/legend that during the last end of the world (earth cleansing) their tribe was cared for underground by the ant people. When they later (how much later?) emerged it was near (a relative term) the Great Sand Dunes. Those dunes are about 100 miles from Dulce.

Never discount myths/legends. Connect ALL the dots.

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I'm going from memory here and could be mistaken...it's been a long time since I've given the guy a second thought.

Schneider came late to the game as far as Dulce and evil aliens were concerned. The stories had already been conjured and guys like Lear and Branton had the proof of concept. Researchers like Norio Hayakawa have also been following Dulce for years now. As far as I can recall, none of these guys gave Schneider the time of day and he wasn't included in the network of self-supporting claimants that's so typical of the 'field.'

In my experience, hoaxers rarely spoil each other's tales for obvious reasons and often find it beneficial to provide *alibis* for their claims. In this way, folk like Moulton-Howe are promoted by folk like Whitley Strieber and they give each other credibility. Magic psychics know each other's tricks and never speak of them.

The reason why they chose to ignore Schneider is probably because they regarded his tales as too much even for them. Schneider also had no pedigree and didn't know the movers and shakers of the conspiracy circus so he wasn't adopted by them. In my opinion, there's a loose, 'old boy's network' of hoaxy SoBs that has been running since the late '70s. They don't just let anyone in!

Guys in MUFON never paid him much mind and neither did many other UFO researchers.

The main core of people who remain to believe in his BS tend to be those who like their conspiracies hugely implausible and rich with space-opera technicolour. They live in the grey areas and doubt *everything* other than the most unlikely stories from bare-faced liars. As fast as their trusted whistle-blowers are caught lying, they blame it on TPTB and warn us not to 'throw the baby out with the bathwater.'

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how exaxtly do you figure that ?

I just finished watching this documentary and I'm quite impressed. It went into a whole lot of detail and tied many instances together.

I have no doubt that Mr. Schneider was telling the truth. The fact that he was found with a catheter (sp?) tube wrapped tightly around his neck with his face in the seat of his wheelchair screams murder, yet the report was that he committed suicide while the article in the paper states that he died of natural causes. If anyone believes either of these stories, I have some beach front property on Sirius to sell you.

Phil Schneider and Bill Cooper will always have a special place in my heart.

Thanks, Op, for posting this documentary.

Originally posted by nineix

As I understood it, Phil lost his fingers in a drilling accident, and the his whole story was total fiction.
As I understood it, the last person to have seen him alive was a prostitute he hired to 'entertain' him while he was on his rock star tour, making money, telling this fantastic story labelled as fact.

While man made underground bases are indeed a reality, since, well, you can actually buy an old outdated one for yourself at This Site and others, I'm pretty certain none of this talk about whole civilizations, or alien bases has any basis in reality.

After watching the first few minutes I wondered why a building engineer is caring a gun and how he could smell the stink wearing a space-suit.

What you say is interesting...where did you get the info on his fingers?

as a young lad i worked for one day in a underground base in scotland .the size of it was scary . i dont get lost ever but the scale was huge and the older tradesmen were shocked at how it existed under an army barracks without them knowing it .i got lost and sat down to make a roll up cigarette i remember looking at this little tv screen thing on a trolly playing about with it . saw the same thing on lost one time counting down numbers .i think it was a verson of the internet but that was in 1984 but to my shock the first 3g dongal i got was licensed in 1985 i believe . i spoke with a ex army bud about this a he told me they are 20 + years ahead of the public

This is just speculation, but, in consideration of the way Phil Schneider died, I don't think it was murder, or suicide.

I think it was a simple case of accidental death.

Strangulation is a common practice for some getting their kinky freak on as it applies to certain adult entertainments.

Phil Schneider, as previously sourced, was reported as being seen repeatedly on numerous occasions with an unnamed mysterious blonde woman, a prostitute according to some tellings.

I propose that brain damaged paranoid schizophrenic cancer ridden medically challenged Phil Schneider, a blatant liar and charlatan, was exploring his boundaries of kinky freaky with this mysterious unnamed blonde woman, and the strangulation erotica went just a little too far leading to Phil Schneider's expiration.
There are certainly worse ways to go.

Then again, it could have been murder, but, more for the high cost of maintaining a relationship with a blondie for rent, where a pimp wasn't getting paid.

Either proposition are entirely plausible; more so than erasure by MIBs, or other shadowy government types.
If anything, murdering this fellow for anything he was saying from the big brother perspective would just go toward validating his claims.
Thus, a third possibility arises where he did indeed kill himself in such a way to fuel controversy, and thus secure some added revenue to his stories/lies for his family to benefit from.

I'm more in favor of the kinky blonde and getting his freak on with some erotic strangulation that got out of hand as it just strikes me as quite simple and most plausible.

Whatever the case, the man was a liar as demonstrated with the evidence that his father was NOT a u-boat commander. I'm convinced his whole story is a sack of lies.

Ok after watching the documentary I have some things to point out, which are supporting what Schneider says:

First of all it doesn't take much research to realize underground facilities and possible connections existing between them to be true. Now I can't imagine how that would go through the entire Antlantic Ocean but for city to city it is doable. The movie shows a clip from ufo hunters season 3's underground alien bases episode in which photos of melting the soil/rock are clearly seen. Are these the same machines because I see them looking exactly like the ones for subway tunnels? And as far as I know the ones making subway don't melt or do they? Either way the pictures do show what happens.

Philadelphia experiment: Read the letters in the middle of this documentary, I think they are a clue about the existence of this experiment and thus making things look not as fake as you (all) think.

Phil's death: One really need to watch the documentary's last 10-15 minutes, you will actually see the blood coming from his mouth, how can you do this with this around the neck? Also why was he lying with his face at the seat? The things he has been showing - taken away.

May I ask anyone who doubts this been a murder - do you EVER call anything real murder when it comes to people related to UFO topic or all of them are commiting suicides? I mean, are you serious?

This is indeed the world of today
One guy speaking in the last 25-20 minutes of the video says it perfectly: There are people up there who don't want you to get alternatives of Energy, Oil, Petrol, many things you do. Pharmaceutical companies, cure for cancer? Hell no, who will earn money if you didn't go through all processes where you will spend LOTS and lots of money. That's the world of today.

And this time I say - it is not capitalism - hell, the same would happen in socialism when it comes to earning money.