reply to post by Springer
CONTINUING . . .
"Is what I am about to post a genuine attempt at civil discourse/debate about the topic or, am I trying to scream at the world and force my personal
beliefs down everyone else's throat?"
I think the problem with this one will be . . .
--that folks who PERCEIVE THEMSELVES
--as mods or ATS users
1. to be "screamed at" whether the author had such intentions or not; wrote in a 'screaming' fashion or tone, or not
2. their psychology is quick to perceive others as screaming at them regardless of the facts
3. their position is made to look significantly weaker than the author's
4. their assertions have been shown to be weaker or false or disingenuous or deceptive or whatever such
I'd LOVE a way to avoid such accusations before they start. IF ANY OF YOU can give me or us some guidelines AND PREFERABLY EXAMPLES as to how to
I'm skeptical. I've almost begged for examples for years hereon--to no effect.
Sooooo what would be
SCREAMING .............VS .........NOT SCREAMING BUT FORCEFUL WRITING SAYING SIMILAR STUFF?
IT VERY MUCH SEEMS TO OFTEN OCCUR that folks PERSONAL SENSIBILITIES get tweaked
and they runn wailing about whatever the T&C criteria is that's handiest to support their wounded sensibilities and wailing. That's unimpressive and
a stinking pile, personally.
IF THE GOAL IS TO CARRY EVERYONE AROUND ON RABBIT FUR AND FOAM RUBBER AND TO NEVER RUFFLE the BRITTLE FOLKS SENSIBILITIES
then . . . this is all a HOPELESS, DOOMED farce to begin with. I HOPE that's not the case. I'm beginning to wonder.
"Is this thread I am creating an honest attempt at civil discourse/debate about the subject or, am I trying to sow as much hatred as I can about the
evil ___________s to wake people up to the fact they are scum?"
OF COURSE I'M PRIMARILY
INTERESTED IN DIALOGUE.
VIGOROUS DIALOGUE IS ONE OF MY MOST FAVORITE RECREATIONS AND HAS BEEN SO MOST OF MY 65 YEARS.
As I've repeatedly noted, I don't even really hate satan himself very often. I hate what he's done and does and his values and methods but not his
person, per se. I don't even hate Hillary or Obama though I hate what they have done, plan and do. THAT'S DIFFERENT.
Often correspondents BEHAVE AND RESPOND AS THOUGH there is NO difference between the person and the actions . . . or between specific beliefs or
specific individuals and a group or between a sub group and the whole group. THAT'S DISINGENUOUS AND A DOUBLE STANDARD AT SOME POINT. Sheesh.
I have spent my adult professional life bridging marriage partners, parents and children; group members with leadership etc. Agreement and unity where
workable are deeply and intensely held values of mine.
I HAVE FOUND, HOWEVER, THAT UNITY AND EVEN LOVE AND CARING MUST HAVE TO DO WITH A FOUNDATION OF TRUTH.
NO TRUTH AND THE FOUNDATION IS CORRUPT TO BEGIN WITH.
I realize that the truth can be and is often PERCEIVED TO BE--REGARDLESS
--AS BRUTAL. I try to avoid unnecessary brutality in how I word things
and in my writing tone.
Nevertheless, there are frequently times when the issues or the context or the contentions of the other side are
BEST RESPONDED TO--MOST EFFECTIVELY RESPONDED TO
WITH very forceful words and logic.
MANY ATSers--often seemingly mods--seem to REACT to civil yet intense wording as though it were hateful when there's not been a shred of hate or ill
will involved whatsoever. That's VERY FRUSTRATING.
"Is what I am about to post a clever attempt at sounding like I am seeking honest, civil discourse/debate about the topic so I can claim innocence
when my thread gets removed and I get banned or, is it truly my attempt at understanding and learning?"
At 65, I'm not that interested in pretense. Particularly when trying to have authentic vigorous dialogue.
I'm certainly happy for increased understanding and learning and usually experience some such most every time I come on ATS daily and that's one of
the reasons I do return time and again.
Some of your mods are quite perceptive and understand where I'm coming from in my personality and my values and my Christianity quite well. And not
only the seemingly very few Christian mods seem to understand me well.
Others seem to have absolutely NO CLUE about me and persistently BLACKWASH me up one side and down the other . . . SEEMINGLY looking for whatever
excuse they can to delete a post or somehow otherwise hinder my postings of my perspectives and values.
It is still important to do what little I can to post my values that are sooooo sparsely and weakly represented on ATS
COMPARED TO VALUES SCREAMINGLY HOSTILE to mine.
Continued . . . out of characters.