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Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
As far as NYC being a "disarmed city"... lol...
If you google around you'll find stats hat say that there's as many as 2 million guns in NYC alone.
As far as 97' pre-dating the patriot act, duh. It's been, by all accounts more common since then... if that's what it was in 97 what is it now?
As far as cops needing a warrant to search your car, they don't, they need probable cause, which they will say was the drugs they saw you holding in the car.
Good luck demanding cops get a warrant if they "have" probable cause...
In United States criminal law, probable cause is the standard by which an officer or agent of the law has the grounds to make an arrest, to conduct a personal or property search,
In other words, they don't need a warrant:
en.wikipedia.org...
As far as standing up to the cops, I went to Uni in Ohio (OSU) during that time I was assaulted... I picked the guy out of a line-up, etc., etc., but the charges were dropped because the perp was the mayors son.
Oh well.
It's complete BS to think you can fight corrupt cops, as a citizen, without a lot of money, or a lucky media break.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by nenothtu
No, the delusion is that all of those murders would've been committed with another weapon.
You still refuse to address the prevalence of handguns in the US and the extremely high murder rate.
Your argument seems to be that there's something wrong with Americans. That Americans are innately more murderous, then say Brits.
My argument is that people are essentially people, but the prevalence of a more deadly weapon (gun vs knife say) will obviously lead to more deaths.
Please, explain why you think Americans are more innately murderous.
Being from the UK were not allowed guns but if we were i would not think twice before shooting a burgler-intruder in my house
The motor vehicle exception was first established by the United States Supreme Court in 1925, in Carroll v. United States. [1] The motor vehicle exception allows an officer to search a vehicle without a warrant as long as he or she has probable cause to believe that evidence or contraband is located in the vehicle.
Carroll v. United States, 267 U.S. 132 (1925), was a decision by the United States Supreme Court which upheld that the warrantless search of an automobile is known as the automobile exception. The case has also been used to increase the scope of warrantless searches.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by nenothtu
No one said it was you, but I wouldn't have threatened those cops with a gun and neither would've you.
As for me projecting, it's only in the States, of western countries, where people feel, in great numbers, that they need guns to be safe.
Stats show that isn't true. That makes them both paranoid and delusional.
As for the persecution complex, there hasn't been a major push to ever take guns away from Americans, and yet every year there's a huge out cry about the evil government coming to take away people's guns... for no reason. Gun owners feel persecuted, for no reason.
America is more dangerous than other western countries without guns.
Deal with it.
Originally posted by Argyll
reply to post by cranspace
Being from the UK were not allowed guns but if we were i would not think twice before shooting a burgler-intruder in my house
Bit of a misnomer there mate.....it's perfectly legal to own a range of firearms here in the UK, admittedly it isn't as easy as the US.......but there are plenty of people here who own guns perfectly legally.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by nenothtu
All I can assume is that you're just making up stuff now:
As for probable cause:
www.probablecause.org...
Probable Cause is one of the most abused and hard to defend against legal concepts going... Cops invent probable cause all the time, "car weaving" is a good example...
As far as your basically insane belief that Americans are just more muderous than anyone else, explain why Americans abroad aren't going around killing people... Or why so many foreigners, like illegal immigrants, murder people in the US, and not in say, Canada.
This whole, "somehow a group of people, who's only common denominator is where they live, are intrinsically more murderous" concept your proposing is absolutely ludicrous.
Originally posted by Argyll
reply to post by nenothtu
No you don't have to keep certain guns at a shooting club, but you usually have to be a member of a shooting club to own certain types of firearms (mainly hand guns).
In no way are firearms as accessible here in the UK as they are in the US, but as I said earlier, a lot of people assume that all firearms are illegal here, when in fact they are not.
the UK firearm laws can be seen HERE
Originally posted by Argyll
the UK firearm laws can be seen HERE
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
I know you're mr tough guy and would probably just shoot any cop that you disagree with
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by Christie
GO back and read what he said, I'd say I'm simply paraphrasing...
Originally posted by nenothtu
BTW - the ONLY times I've ever gone abroad were specifically TO kill people and tear things up. I dunno why any of the rest do it, or what they do when they're there.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by jiggerj
Again, this is demonstrably not true.
In the part of the world I live in guns, due to restrictions, are not that common amongst criminals.
That's another one of those made in America myths... that in a country with gun control any criminal can have one, and often do, and the average Joe can't protect himself.
Not true.
Originally posted by nenothtu
It's not ME living in fear of a "no knock" warrant.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by nenothtu
"Car weaving" is absolutely used as probable cause for searching cars, all the time. To be clear, cops will, based on seeing you drive erratically, search your car. They will invent any excuse to do so. e.g. they saw you throw something out a window. IF a cop wants to search you, he will. I know you're mr tough guy and would probably just shoot any cop that you disagree with, but most people aren't.
I assume you basically are admitting you have no idea why the US murder rate is 4x that of other western countries? Yes?
No idea?
And the prevalence of hand guns, something no other western country has, is just a coincidence, even though hand guns are the most common murder weapon...?
If the murder rate was a little higher, maybe, but four times higher... no... coincidence is pretty hard to believe.