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Obama assails Ryan budget as ‘thinly veiled social Darwinism’

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posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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President Obama on Tuesday denounced the House Republicans' recently-revealed budget plan, saying it would hurt America's working families and seniors. Tuesday's speech was the president's most thorough and direct public reaction to the plan House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., unveiled March 20. The president, speaking at an Associated Press luncheon attended by editors and publishers, chided congressional Republicans as well as Mitt Romney and "most" of the GOP presidential field for backing the plan.

The proposed cuts, Obama said, amount to "thinly veiled social Darwinism."

"Instead of moderating their views even slightly, Republicans running Congress right now have doubled down," Obama said, adding that he believes the proposal is "so far to the right, it makes the Contract with America look like the New Deal."



He also knocked Republicans' belief in a trickle-down economy—where economic activity of the wealthiest Americans is relied on to boost the overall economy.



"Reagan could not get through a Republican primary today," he said during the question and answer session.


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He's right. The Ryan's plan is incredibly extreme...offering 3 trillion in tax cuts for the incredibly wealthy while slashing programs that support the infrastructure for the entire middle class. Not only that, if ends Medicare as we know it. It's a massive giveaway to the incredibly wealthy and big business...this is all it is.

I hope they try to run on this....cuz they will lose....and they will lose big. It will be rejected by the American people.

Reagan would be called a Marxist in today's Republican party....that's how extreme they have become.
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posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Ryan offers extreme 'Darwinism' in a nation that is sick of extremes. Fail!

Obama offers extreme socialism in a nation that is sick of extremes. Fail!

Fire them all and lets just elect Ma and Pa Kettle from Kansas. We can sure find several hundred average Americans with decent intelligence to fill the job slots up there. They can't really be WORSE than the experience we have now.

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posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Obama offers extreme socialism in a nation that is sick of extremes.


What socialism? There has been no extreme socialism...in fact there has been none! Not a single tax increase on the wealthy.....blocked every time by the GOP....they won't even accept going back to Clinton tax rates. Everything is cut cut cut.....but at the same time...more tax cuts for billionaires and corporations! It's a massive transfer of wealth. And the mandates were a Republican idea...championed by many then dumped RIGHT BEFORE Democrats gave up on a public option.

The GOP has made it fully known with their extreme budget that they really don't give a damn about the middle class....and sure as hell don't care for the poor. They care about their pockets and their rich funders. That's it.

I don't know how a single working, middle class, or poor American could ever vote for Party that would willingly pass this kind of garbage and push it upon the American people. The divide in wealth between the incredibly rich and everyone else has exploded the last 30 years....and they want to put it on steroids.


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posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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What socialism? I guess I missed it.

I'm starting to think that very few on ATS know what socialism/communism/fascism is.


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posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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I agree. My girlfriend and her family came here from the former Soviet Union in the mid-90s, and they all laugh at the claims that Obama or the Democrats are communists/socialists/fascists. Most who say this wouldn't last two minutes, according to her dad, in a real soviet-style controlled government. That and they would all have been shot by now by the KGB, and last I checked there isn't a mass amount of missing conservative/republicans. Plus, if you haven't noticed, Republicans/conservatives always need to be fighting some kind of enemy, once the Soviets were gone, it was "libruls" then it was terrorists, now it's back to "libruls." It's getting really old, and I think most of main stream America is waking up to this.



posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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here is a link to the House website.


We reject the broken politics of the past. The American people deserve real solutions and honest leadership. That’s what we’re delivering with our budget, The Path to Prosperity. House Republicans are advancing a plan of action for American renewal.


The Path to Prosperity:
A Blueprint for American Renewal




Our budget:

Cuts government spending to protect hardworking taxpayers;

Tackles the drivers of our debt, so our troops don’t pay the price for Washington’s failure to take action;

Restores economic freedom and ensures a level playing field for all by putting an end to special-interest favoritism and corporate welfare

Reverses the President’s policies that drive up gas prices, and instead promotes an all-of the-above strategy for unlocking American energy production to help lower costs, create jobs, and reduce dependence on foreign oil.

Strengthens health and retirement security by taking power away from government bureaucrats and empowering patients instead with control over their own care;

Reforms our broken tax code to spur job creation and economic opportunity by lowering rates, closing loopholes, and putting hardworking taxpayers ahead of special interests.



The amounts of revenues and spending to be used in these calculations for 2012 through 2022 were provided by Chairman Ryan and his staff. The amounts for 2023 through 2050 were calculated by CBO on the basis of growth rates, percentages of gross domestic product (GDP), or other formulas specified by Chairman Ryan and his staff. For all years, the Chairman specified that there would be no spending for subsidies to purchase health insurance through new exchanges established under the Affordable Care Act. CBO calculates that, under the specified paths, federal revenues and spending would evolve as follows:

■ Revenues—from 15½ percent of GDP in 2011 to 19 percent in both 2030 and 2050;

■ Medicare—from 3¼ percent of GDP in 2011 to 4¼ percent in 2030 and 4¾ percent in 2050;

■ Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)—from 2 percent of GDP in 2011 to 1¼ percent in 2030 and 1 percent in 2050;

■ Social Security—from 4¾ percent of GDP in 2011 to 6 percent in both 2030 and 2050; and

■ Other mandatory spending and all discretionary spending—from 12½ percent of GDP in 2011 to 5¾ percent in 2030 and 3¾ percent in 2050.



posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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lots of graphs and charts

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*it's a pdf, it may not be genuine !



posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Obama turned his rhetoric on Paul Ryan because Paul Ryan looks like a GOP contender for a Secretary seat with the Romney administration (if there is one). POTUS Romney. VPOTUS Christy. And Paul Ryan in finance. I wouldn't doubt it at all.



posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Anyone ask Obama why his budget received absolutely Zero Votes? At least Ryan's budget passed along party lines. A move Obama could not pull off with his own POS budget.

Furthermore, Obama should be holding Harry Reid to the fire regarding the failure of his Senate to pass a budget period. They certainly have the votes to do it!!

Obama needs to be careful of his finger pointing. He also needs to stop campaigning for a moment and do his damn job for once. The blame game he is playing is giving me whiplash.



posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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If more politicians on the right would actually take responsibility for their failures, and acknowledge ideas of their's that don't work, there would be no blame game.
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posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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What socialism? I guess I missed it.

I'm starting to think that very few on ATS know what socialism/communism/fascism is.


edit on 3-4-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)

Well, the examples are numerous but let's keep it easy. Obamacare is as socialist as it comes for what he intended and ..when this pile of stinking compromise totally fails in reality, what he'll offer a desperate nation. After all, the system that needed attention yet still worked is what this pre-law time is taking apart. By the time it matters...we won't have to worry about Socialist or Capitalist systems. It's being arranged to leave no choice whatever. Clever, at least.

What gets me is in other parts of the world, there is no debating or arguing how well Socialist fits for the one-payer model. They just call it what it is without shame or hesitation. Only in America do we take the same basic concept for a system and spend as much time as we do on semantics and terminology.

If you want to take a stab at what Socialism means to you, since we seem to be misunderstanding...I'm interested to hear. Communism/Socialism/Facism are so often used interchangeably and it drives me nuts too. Obama is...in my view....a leader focused heavily IN Socialist outlooks and policies, yet not strictly socialist himself. He admires parts of the Communist system...but sure isn't communist himself in that defiition.

So.... We have a Heinz 57 for political ideology and really have from day 1. I've never quite fit him in..and still can't. Not entirely.



posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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So no examples, just ranting. Typical.



posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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Obamacare is not socialist at all. It requires everyone to purchase PRIVATE healthcare. If you knew what socialism was, you wouldn't call it socialist.

A socialist would be extremely opposed to Obamacare because it allows for corporate tyranny. This has nothing to do with schematics you are just incredibly wrong. It's like calling public housing a Ron Paul style Libertarian idea.
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posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Here's a development in the Senate.

Apparently Harry Reid was set to somehow stop debate on the budget.

But it looks like a different story has opened the doors.


The Senate’s chief referee has issued a key ruling against Majority Leader Harry Reid, POLITICO has learned — a move expected to bring unwanted election-year pressure on the Nevada Democrat to act on politically dicey budget bills.

Newly appointed Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough, whom Reid recommended for the job, has decided that last summer’s deal on the debt ceiling and spending caps does not preclude the Senate from taking up other budget resolutions this year. The ruling could force vulnerable Democrats to cast tough votes that hurt them in November, a situation Reid and other leaders are eager to avoid as they work to protect their fragile majority.

The written opinion, shared late last week with a handful of Democratic and GOP senators, gives Republicans significantly more leverage to push for votes on budgets of their choosing. It could mean roll calls on Rep. Paul Ryan’s House-passed GOP budget plan and others offered by Sens. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.). Democrats would gladly vote down the Ryan blueprint, which Obama described Tuesday as a “radical” vision that guts funding for Medicare and education.
Harry Reid loses procedural ruling on budget vote


Maybe they need to do their jobs ?

At least we can see the true intentions for once !



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Obamacare is not socialist at all. It requires everyone to purchase PRIVATE healthcare. If you knew what socialism was, you wouldn't call it socialist.

A socialist would be extremely opposed to Obamacare because it allows for corporate tyranny. This has nothing to do with schematics you are just incredibly wrong. It's like calling public housing a Ron Paul style Libertarian idea.
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Yeah... That private health care regulated, organized into and directly controlled within State framework that are to form Insurance Markets to get your coverage from. Federal panels are to regulate and decide what coverage is okay, what isn't and what is too experimental to be considered. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PANELS. That is Government, not private health care. The fact they're using private companies to administer it doesn't impress me. Private companies run prisons too...it's still the state that own the bodies inside them.

I'm familiar with what this is and I simply hate it. Passionately. Obama and Pelosi, among others, have been taking the approach for 3 years now that if we don't "get it" we're too damned dumb to understand or simply need it explained again..and again..and again...

Well... I can have it explained 50 ways...and I'll just be annoyed 50 times over. Americans really are understanding this...and it's our own President who was making jokes and smart remarks about being a socialist and using a "socialist mop" back when he thought everyone loved him and found it cute. Now, we're suffering as bad or worse than Bush and that's 2 for 2 in BAD leaders.

We can't handle 3 in a row.....and I'd elect Howdy Doody if America's best interests *OVER* that of anyone else on Earth were what President Doody would be working for.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by DarkKnight76
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So no examples, just ranting. Typical.

(self snip) gotta...resist....bait... err...

(remembering that lengthy and rather passionate thread started by Springer, one of the Site Owners.)
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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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So it's baiting to ask you to put your money where your mouth is? Classic.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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Originally posted by DarkKnight76
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If more politicians on the right would actually take responsibility for their failures, and acknowledge ideas of their's that don't work, there would be no blame game.
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Oh! so its the GOP's fault that the Dem. Led Senate has not passed a budget in over 1000 days and counting? Classic. OK if that works for you. No answer regarding a complete lack of dem. support for Obama's budget?



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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Another Obama audacity scenario.

How can he even think of criticizing any budget plan when he himself has presented nothing since he became President?


And yet again, the MSM Yes Men will agree on every level with everything this man says.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Obama turned his rhetoric on Paul Ryan because Paul Ryan looks like a GOP contender for a Secretary seat with the Romney administration (if there is one). POTUS Romney. VPOTUS Christy. And Paul Ryan in finance. I wouldn't doubt it at all.


Obama needs a - villain -. Paul Ryan will have to do.

Obama already tried to hide behind a - victim - ( Sandra Fluke) That backfired.



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