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Topic started on 24-9-2004 @ 02:07 PM by ThichHeaded
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www.prisonplanet.tv...
stated in title is not what I think its what title is...
This is a news report AJ found and shared... I thought it would be interesting to see what some of you think about mercury being good for kids...
man that 41% in thier vacines dont cause atism.. man I was so wrong... anyway...
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reply posted on 24-9-2004 @ 02:41 PM by RedBalloon
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First, it isn't necessarily right to say that mercury causes autism, it might be that mercury triggers the true cause to present itself in people
whose brains are already prone to the disease.
Also, mercury poisoning causes autistic type symptoms to emerge in people without the disease, and often children who undergo creanation to remove
mercury from their blood steadily improve.
Is it possible that mercury is good for you? YES. It's all about the amount of substance. Anything - even water - is a deadly poison in the right
quantity. Inject pure water in your blood, and you die becausee your blood cells burst. Vitamins are deadly toxins in higher doses. Mercury might be
very beneficial in small amounts, and just as deadly as Vitamin A in large amounts.
Worried about your child having difficulty with vaccienes? Spread them out as much as possible.
The Journal of Pediatrics and other peer review journals have rather rigid criteria for publication, and knowing how the general media twists things,
there might be a lot more on why it works and how, and it could be in comparison to a vacciene type thats much worse than mercury. Sounds like there
were studies and trials conducted with conclusive results to generate that headline. I'll see what I can find as I have access to those periodicals.
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reply posted on 24-9-2004 @ 03:35 PM by ThichHeaded
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Originally posted by RedBalloon
Is it possible that mercury is good for you? YES. It's all about the amount of substance. Anything - even water - is a deadly poison in the right
quantity. Inject pure water in your blood, and you die becausee your blood cells burst. Vitamins are deadly toxins in higher doses. Mercury might be
very beneficial in small amounts, and just as deadly as Vitamin A in large amounts. 
Proof of this please??
and
Originally posted by RedBalloon
First, it isn't necessarily right to say that mercury causes autism, it might be that mercury triggers the true cause to present itself in people
whose brains are already prone to the disease.
Also, mercury poisoning causes autistic type symptoms to emerge in people without the disease, and often children who undergo creanation to remove
mercury from their blood steadily improve.

Isnt that the same thing as saying it causes atism?? last i checked it is...
kinda like I got picked up for being on crack cause I looked like it... but according to the police i was cracked out.. but in reallity i took 200
sleeping pills...
see.. same thing to them.. but i knew it was diffrent..
so in actuallity the same thing u just said is the same thing as mecury causes atism.
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reply posted on 24-9-2004 @ 04:32 PM by Amorymeltzer
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whats being said is that mercury just heightens the risk of autism in people already prone to it. potatos cause cancer, but so does breathing air.
its just a matter of percentages.
vitamin a causes birth defects
causing broken bones
causing baldness (OUCH!)
a slew of things
 One little girl developed increasing fatigue, loss of appetite and finally kidney failure. Her grandmother owned a health food store and was
gradually killing her with excessive vitamin A. Another child developed extreme agitation, fever and pains in her bones. The diagnosis? Vitamin A
poisoning.
Consumers who are getting too much vitamin A complain of coarsening of the hair or hair loss, nausea, dry, scaly skin, fatigue, headaches and blurry
vision.
Overdosing during early pregnancy can cause serious birth defects such as skull and facial deformities as well as abnormalities of the central nervous
system. 
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reply posted on 24-9-2004 @ 09:38 PM by RedBalloon
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Thank you for your help on that Amorymeltzer. As for proof of water killing you, its because of osmosis, mainly even though if you inject pure water
into the blood, the pH can change, and blood outside of the range of 7.35-7.45 is deadly. Because your cells contain more salt that pure water, water
will move into the cells, and burst them. It's called "hemolysis" if you'd like to google it. If you drink gallons and gallons of water, you can
also develop water toxicity and it can be fatal. As for vitamin toxicity, look up vitamin A and D - they are the most common culprits as they are fat
soluable and tend to stay in the body longer and build up. Any nutrition site will have information of overdosing on vitamins. Some, such as vitamin
C, have not shown to be fatal, but have serious health consequences such as kidney failure. Potassium, Iron, Calcium are some of the minerals our body
needs to live, but all are toxic in high doses. Potassium and Iron are particularly nasty. Too little and you get sick, too much and adios.
As for mercury causing autism, the defect is likely there in the brains already. Anything could trigger it as there are many autistic who have had no
mercury exposure or poisoning. Mercury *might* be one possible substances that starts off the chemical reaction that was just a time bomb waiting to
be set off - cabbage soaked in vinegar could do it too a year later and would be no more a cause than the mercury was.
Anything - anything at all is a poison in enough of a quantity, so I'm just saying it is *possible* that mercury in low doses could be as beneficial
as foxglove or belladonna can be in the medications people take every day.
Also, there are a few types of "mercurys" out there - one is ethylmercury, and it's alternative is methylmercury that is less controversial.
Ethylmercury was banned years ago in vaccinations in the US. Hep B vaccines seem to be the ones that spark most of the debate... I wonder if the bias
against the disease and how it's often spread has anything to do with the distrust and misinformation about the vaccine itself.
I don't understand your crack/sleeping pills analogy or I would respond and try to be more clear in what I'm trying to get across.
edit: corrected my poor spelling of "vaccine" and corrected ethylmercury/methylmercury
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reply posted on 28-9-2004 @ 12:52 PM by kdx175
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I had to register, just to reply to this post.
My son is 6 and has Autism.
He did not start out that way.
He received 11 shots within the first year of being born in 1998.
Most of them had very high mercury levels. Beginning in 1990 the children of the 90's got the higher levels because of increased numbers of
vaccines. Higher levels of Mercury than any other decade in the history of vaccines. In one day of boosters he recieved 50 times the EPA's
allowable limit of Mercury for an adult. He did not weigh the same as an adult. So calculate for an infant's body wieght, and we are talking about
much more than 50 times the EPA's warning aren't we...
The MSDS(Material Safety Data Sheet) for Thimerosal states :
Danger extremely toxic! May cause mental retardation in children.
Can you say Duh?
I watched him scream after coming home from the shots, and then fade into autism ( mercury poisoning).
The symptoms of Autism and Mercury Poisoning are identical.
Autism affect boys 4 times as much as girls,
and amazingly, Mercury Poisoning affects boys 4 times as much as girls.
Some coincidence huh?
Is it any wonder that Autism soared in the 90s after the new shots were introduced?
Nobody can tell me otherwise, I saw it happen to my own son.
RedBalloon, you seem to know quite a bit about the subject of Mercury in Vaccines.
And you sure seemed to pop in with your opinion quick.
Since your so knowledgable on the subject, perhaps you could explain to everyone about the Simpsonwood meeting?
The meeting where CDC and Vaccine officials acknowledge the problem, and then say to keep it quiet and confidential.
Here's a link to some notes from the meeting gained from the Freedom of Information act:
www.vaccineawareness.org...
Also a must visit site:
www.safeminds.org...
There is a medical conspiracy in our midst,
its right in our face.
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reply posted on 28-9-2004 @ 06:46 PM by kdx175
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Originally posted by RedBalloon
As for mercury causing autism, the defect is likely there in the brains already. 
This is somewhat possible, but it is now being shown to be a genetic problem excreting the mercury. Mercury that was never supposed to be there.
Originally posted by RedBalloon
Anything could trigger it as there are many autistic who have had no mercury exposure or poisoning. 
This is pure BS. All the Autistic kids tested so far have shown higher than normal levels of Mercury. Show me one who has not. Everyone is exposed
to mercury, it is in the air we breath, the water we drink, and the fillings in our teeth. Vaccines however go directly into the bloodstream, and at
far higher concentrations. Its the amount of exposure, and the in-ability to excrete the mercury that causes Autism, ADHD, Alzheimers, and other
Mercury-induced brain disorders.
Originally posted by RedBalloon
Mercury *might* be one possible substances that starts off the chemical reaction that was just a time bomb waiting to be set off - cabbage soaked in
vinegar could do it too a year later and would be no more a cause than the mercury was. 
Cabbage soaked in Vinegar? Thats a tangent...
Seriously, do you have any knowledge of the toxic properties of Mercury?
Open a science book, Mercury is the 2nd most toxic substance known to man, 1st is plutonium...
Originally posted by RedBalloon
Anything - anything at all is a poison in enough of a quantity, so I'm just saying it is *possible* that mercury in low doses could be as beneficial
as foxglove or belladonna can be in the medications people take every day.

You might not know that the preservative Thimerosal (mercury based) was banned in the 80s from cosmetic products. 10 years ago they also banned it
from all pet vaccines. It is so irresponsible to leave it in our children's vaccines.
Originally posted by RedBalloon
Also, there are a few types of "mercurys" out there - one is ethylmercury, and it's alternative is methylmercury that is less controversial.
Ethylmercury was banned years ago in vaccinations in the US. Hep B vaccines seem to be the ones that spark most of the debate... I wonder if the bias
against the disease and how it's often spread has anything to do with the distrust and misinformation about the vaccine itself. 
Both types of Mercury are toxic! The kind found in Vaccines is shown to be the most toxic. This ethyl / methyl arguement has been done by the CDC and
people trying to cover this thing up. They tried to say the type in vaccines was harmless, without doing any tests. Well someone independant did
some tests and found out it was MORE toxic. The fact you bring this old ethyl /methyl arguement up, makes me wonder who you work for?
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reply posted on 28-9-2004 @ 07:00 PM by kdx175
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Originally posted by RedBalloon
Also, mercury poisoning causes autistic type symptoms to emerge in people without the disease, and often children who undergo creanation to remove
mercury from their blood steadily improve. 
This is completely true and just more evidence that Autism IS Mercury Poisoning. There is DAN (defeat autism now) conferences with CURED children
who have undergone heavy metal chelation. (metals removal)
You heard right, the CURE for Autism is Mercury detoxification!
The medical establishment is having a hard time coming to grips with it, because it proves them wrong all this time. And the Dental Association still
claims that mercury fillings are safe, so they are looking dim-witted as well.
Originally posted by RedBalloon
Is it possible that mercury is good for you? YES. It's all about the amount of substance. Anything - even water - is a deadly poison in the right
quantity. Inject pure water in your blood, and you die becausee your blood cells burst. Vitamins are deadly toxins in higher doses. Mercury might be
very beneficial in small amounts, and just as deadly as Vitamin A in large amounts. 
Yes anything is deadly if you get enough of it. But mercury is toxic in very low concentrations. Comparing apples to poison.
Originally posted by RedBalloon
Worried about your child having difficulty with vaccienes? Spread them out as much as possible. 
this is good advice.
I would wait as long as possible to vaccinate.
Originally posted by RedBalloon
The Journal of Pediatrics and other peer review journals have rather rigid criteria for publication, and knowing how the general media twists things,
there might be a lot more on why it works and how, and it could be in comparison to a vacciene type thats much worse than mercury. Sounds like there
were studies and trials conducted with conclusive results to generate that headline. I'll see what I can find as I have access to those periodicals.

The Journal of Pediatrics is trying to save their collective asses.
They will say and do anything. There were no trials conducted, and no conclusive results. Go research those periodicals and find out that this
particular study was paid for by a company who originally made the dangerous vaccines. Then you will find out the study was based completely on
statistics. No biological tests whatsoever. I took a class about statistics that showed how you can get any kind of result you want, and you dont
even have to lie. Don't go blindly trusting the institution that stands to look bad. Remember Pediatrics has been pushing these vaccines for
years.
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reply posted on 30-9-2004 @ 01:12 PM by ThichHeaded
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hey KDX welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear about your kid.. I feel bad for you guys..
Anyway they do have detox prgms to get rid of that atism crap and make your kids normal or almost normal in a short while or so...
I have a old taping of Alex Jones that talks about this.. get me on a u2u and i will give you some messenger info to aquire the taping from me... so
you can listen to it..
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reply posted on 9-11-2004 @ 01:43 PM by Amethyst
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I sometimes wonder if my son is autistic. He'll be 3 next month and he isn't talking yet, though he understands just fine. He'll point and
vocalize when he wants something.
This one pediatrician said that if he is autistic, he's just on the scale, since it's a "spectrum" disorder.
I ought to have his mercury levels checked. Yes I did have him vaccinated, but no more.
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reply posted on 9-11-2004 @ 03:13 PM by RedBalloon
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Originally posted by kdx175
The symptoms of Autism and Mercury Poisoning are identical.
Autism affect boys 4 times as much as girls,
and amazingly, Mercury Poisoning affects boys 4 times as much as girls.
Some coincidence huh?
Is it any wonder that Autism soared in the 90s after the new shots were introduced?
Nobody can tell me otherwise, I saw it happen to my own son.
RedBalloon, you seem to know quite a bit about the subject of Mercury in Vaccines.
And you sure seemed to pop in with your opinion quick.

If autism and mercury poisoning is 4x higher in boys, and boys are vaccinated at the same rate as girls, then no, I don't see the conclusive proof.
If the vaccine was causing autism, then one would expect the rate to be the same in boys.
Autism could have soared in the 1990s for many reasons. It could have been more frequently diagnosed as the disease became more well known, it could
have been as a result of increased toxins in the atmosphere that damaged more growing babies un utero, it could be something thats triggered by a
change in the trend in foods, medications given to nursing mothers, who knows. It is, however, more common in boys than girls which would suggest
something genetic and inherited and not environmental and something with a direct link to vaccinations.
Yes, I do know about both mercury and autism from both schooling and career, and you poped in with your oppinion also. Thats what these forums are
about. If you're not looking for oppinions, then this might not be the site for you.
Originally posted by kdx175
Yes anything is deadly if you get enough of it. But mercury is toxic in very low concentrations. Comparing apples to poison.

Apples to poisons? Not really. This holds true for anything. Many drugs we use today are made from poisons in very low concentrations. This concept
isn't anything new. Botox is made from the most deadly poison known to man, and we inject it into women's foreheads daily.
Originally posted by kdx175
You might not know that the preservative Thimerosal (mercury based) was banned in the 80s from cosmetic products. 10 years ago they also banned it
from all pet vaccines. It is so irresponsible to leave it in our children's vaccines.

Yes, I do know Thimerosal was banned from many things, and it's already gone from most or all childhood vaccines. This too is not anything new, as
there are many substances we used as a population that are now banned, and some banned that have been proven to be safe and brought back, such as
saccharine. Mercury, however, is still in the environment. Thermometers, computer parts, tuna fish, industrial waste etc... If you think vaccines are
the only thing with mercury, then take a look around you. There are many autistic who have no mercury issues at all, or were never vaccinated.
Originally posted by kdx175
All the Autistic kids tested so far have shown higher than normal levels of Mercury.

How many non-autistic kids also showed higher than normal levels of mercury? How many non-autistic kids are even tested at all for mercury? Everyone
under age 10 might have high levels of mercury these days.
Finally, how come other treatments are so successful at reversing autism or or essentially curing it? Many believe recently that autism is part of a
sensory disorder that can effect hearing in particular. With auditory training and therapy, autistic behavior is greatly and shockingly improved along
with other disorders such as ADHD and depression. Kids, adults, teens - results are seen in all of them. Thats not related to mercury at all.
I feel for every parent with an autistic child, and have worked with many of those children. I hope you all find a solution and help for a disorder
than not only effects your child, but every member of the family. Try everything you can - chelation, auditory training (AIT), medication... whatever
the cause there may be something to help.
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reply posted on 11-11-2004 @ 12:53 PM by blanketgirl
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Have you taken your son to a specialist?!?
Ask your pediatrician for a referral to a child development specialist who looks into those sorts of things- they can not only answer all your
questions about whether he has a problem, but help you get on track with either fixing/preventing a problem.
My doctor had me take my daughter to one at 10 months because she thought her head might not be growing fast enough... a little jumpy but I'm glad I
had a pediatrician that took things that seriously, if nothing else I got reassured that she is doing fine.
Originally posted by Amethyst
I sometimes wonder if my son is autistic. He'll be 3 next month and he isn't talking yet, though he understands just fine. He'll point and
vocalize when he wants something.
This one pediatrician said that if he is autistic, he's just on the scale, since it's a "spectrum" disorder.
I ought to have his mercury levels checked. Yes I did have him vaccinated, but no more. 
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reply posted on 3-2-2006 @ 01:42 AM by WyrdeOne
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Both types of Mercury are toxic!

True.
The kind found in Vaccines is shown to be the most toxic.

Do you have any proof of that claim? Keep in mind that ethylmercury binds to urea and can be eliminated more readily (IIRC). I'm by no means an
expert, but I have a lot of interest in the subject. If someone could post some links to clear up this question, it would be appreciated. It's my
understanding that ethylmercury is more readily eliminated, and for that reason alone presents less of a threat. I don't want to have incorrect
information, or give same to others, so if you've got proof to the contrary I'd like to see it.
Well someone independant did some tests and found out it was MORE toxic.

Who's someone? Seriously...
The fact you bring this old ethyl /methyl arguement up, makes me wonder who you work for?

Yeah, everyone who disagrees with you is a pharma plant.  Come off it...
The ethyl/methyl distinction is an important one, unless you have information to the contrary. FYI, I'm not saying the vaccines are safe, not at
all.
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reply posted on 3-2-2006 @ 03:45 AM by FLYIN HIGH
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Sure it goes well with cookies and milk. Heck, just the vapor of Mercury is enoungh to foul up a man's nads. I can only wonder what it does to a
growing fetus. Most people think it is harmless or won't hurt you too bad.
I know that in the James River that runs through Richmond Va. is loaded with the stuff. They have signs everywhere telling you not to eat but a very
few if any. I have seen people with coolers of fish they had just caught and said they were going home and fry 'em up. I wonder if by doing this does
it create the atmosphere that is condusive to inbreeding?
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