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"Remember the Alamo" (but forget it was a Masonic treasure hunt in Mexico)

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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by twitchy

Originally posted by TheGuyFawkes
reply to post by emberscott
 


ive noticed that as well anytime someone posts something anti masonic at least 3 or 4 masons come in saying his claims are false...


And how. It's the equivilent of a masonic gangbang here, thread after thread. It was something that ATS was going to deal with at one point, but apparently it continues unabated and alot of the staff are proudly masonic. They don't let up until the thread is either discombobulated or gets heated enough for one of them to step in and close it down.


ATS was going to do something about it? How does that make any sense? You really think ATS would want to stifle the opinions of the people with firsthand knowledge, making fact-based arguments, and backing them up with historical reference? Speaking of discombobulated, that is about the stupidest plan I have ever heard. Let's stifle the opinions and participation of the Masons in the Masonic threads, and just let the wild inaccurate conjecture and fiction rule the boards.
Sorry, but the ATS management is a little better run than that.

If they need to do anything about anything, it is to require original posters to properly identify their prose as opinion, speculation, or fiction, or back it up with some kinds of facts and references. It is dishonest to state something as fact, promise pictures or proof, and then escape from the thread without producing anything of substance. The OP of this thread is a dishonest troll.




posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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OH MY!
having left this thread in the past last night
i wake up to find that i am still being berated and abused

for a generalized off the cuff ex temporecomment based on a 4 hr lecture given to me by my stepmother[bostonian of germanic descent and 1/8th mohawk] concerning what was Verbotten while we were living under the same roof
as punishment for playing cowboys and indians [never picking the cowboy side did not gain me any points]

35 frikkin years ago
The-Truth-About-Davy-Crockett-What-The-History-Books-Dont-Tell-you
libby101a.hubpages.com...


What is The Truth?

Most of the information about Davy Crockett was taken from his own autobiography and a series of Crockett's almanacs, published between 1835 and 1856. His versions were largely skewed in his favor.

What truly brought Crockett back to fame was Walt Disney. In 1854 Disney launched a TV mini-series about the hero calling it "Davy Crockett, Indian fighter." Davy Crockett became an instant success and folk hero. In just a few months millions of dollars worth of official Davy Crockett bubblegum cards, toy guns, jackets, and the famous coonskin caps sold. The well-known Davy Crockett theme song hit the top 20 four times nationally.

Davy Crockett actually deserted his wife and family. And this was not the first time. When he was a boy he also ran away from home for three years to avoid punishment for skipping school. Davy Crockett stayed out on the frontier because it was much easier than to live at home with his large flock of children. He left them and never bothered to return ever again.

In reality, Crockett avoided battle like the plague. He was known for sending someone in his place. As a congressman he had the worst absentee record in the history of America.

The only true facts that seem to be consistent with legend is that Crockett did actually die at the Alamo. However, in Paul Sann's book Fads, Follies, and Delusions, he states that Crocketts death was stupidity not heroism. We were taught that Crockett went down fighting. However, in truth, he actually tried to bargain for his life before being executed.

James Crips, Ph. D. From Yale, wrote a book, Sleuthing the Alamo, that agreed with the diary of Jose enrique de la Pena, a Mexican officer who was present at the Alamo. Pena wrote about his witnessing the capture of the American defenders and Crockett's attempt to talk his way out of dying. Crockett, according to Pena's writings, was identified to Santa Ann (Mexican General and President of Mexico) with two other officers. Santa Anna denied his pleas, and ordered all survivors be immediately executed. Crisp's book tends to authenticate Pena's account at the Alamo, which was written in the 1950s.

One of the first books written about the Alamo was written in the same year that the Alamo fell, by Richard Penn Smith, titled Colonel Crockett's Exploits and Adventures in Texas . The book states that Crockett was captured and eventually executed.

The tall tale that Crockett went down fighting came about by those who were dissatisfied with the notion that Davy Crockett allowed himself to be captured. He had been a huge legend in his life, and it was expected he remain true to his hero status in dying. Despite the myth being based on no evidence whatsoever, this myth has been passed down through history year after year. Until 1975, when the actual facts of what happened caught up to the myth.

John Fisher stated in Harper's magazine that the tall tale of Crockett shooting over 100 bears in nine months was also a lie. He states that Crockett's friends and listeners of the tale didn't believe a word of it because they knew Crockett couldn't count that high. People tend to believe what they want. It makes people feel better to support pre-existing ideas than believe the horrible truth.

Was Davy Crockett a hero or a coward? Either way it is certainly debatable.

but hey continue to bump this thread by our latest Ninja-poster
whom last night i would have agreed with my harassers was reaching

but am beginning to think he may be on to something

interesting coincidence i was elected from a group of over a hundred children
to serve as an Inner Sentinel exactly 33 years ago.
my grandmother forbade me to go back to the lodge, so i never got any further.

i am severely disappointed in the conduct of those claiming be masons here
to see them stoop to such a level especially


for a generalized off the cuff ex temporecomment based on a 4 hr lecture given to me by my stepmother
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35 frikkin years ago


me thinks there is much ado about what they claim is nothing
also most of those so called secrets can be found through diligent seeking, study and practice
as most of them have been written down within the last 500 years, so i guess i'm better off not being a widows son.


also my thing is ancient history, not US mythology

edit on 5-4-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Inner Sentinel or Guard isn't a Masonic Officer in any of the US or Continental Lodges that I have had the pleasure of sitting in, although I like the idea of it. Are you a Master Mason? (or were you?)



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 11:39 AM
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no my grandma was informed that the lodge was masonic and forbade me from going back there
and the term has variations inner guardian being one of them


good day



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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So you were becoming involved in some kind of youth group like the DeMolay before your Grandmother stopped you? Did you have another relative who sponsored you?



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by rocha123
reply to post by usernameconspiracy
[mor THERES ONLY THE VERSION IN SAN ANTONIO TEXAS THAT THIS FEW GOOD MEN WON AGAINST SANTA ANNA the battle of the Alamo,,,,And they have inside the alamo the famous kniffe.


The above statement is completely made up. Nowhere at the Alamo does it say that "this few good men won against Santa Anna". Nowhere.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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no this lodge would take local kid's on excursions, museums, the occasional motivation talks and such
nothing sinister really
my friends across the street got me into it [and later boy scouts]
then when they became Jehovah's witnesses suddenly it was "the evil masons" and how i was being sucked in


i was approached by the guy in charge and was made to memorize stuff
when someone was late or wanted to enter a meeting the outer sentinel would knock and open the door a crack and recite some lines i would acknowledge and close the door walk to the center of the meeting room using a prescribed number of steps [can't remember] ritually salute the officers while slightly bowing turning to each then stand with arms crosswise and describe full circle concluding: "and all the gathered brethren herein" and then inform that brother such and such was requesting leave to enter blah blah after permission was granted i'd go back taking same number of steps and inform OS that brother so and so was granted leave to enter and welcomed.
i also got to carry a neat sword in a sheath while on duty


sorry for the delay internet is atrocious today but shouldn't complain as i've never had to pay for internet


ahhh lodge is in PR BTW
edit on 5-4-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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excellent analysis.

I very much enjoyed following your thoughts on this , and am inclined to investigate these claims more.


thanks for providing a spark!

p.s. "haters gone hate"



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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so well said.

In fact, everyone screaming "where are your sources" ironically play into the agenda of mob mind - thirsting for someone else to substantiate their thoughts.

It is almost as if an "original idea" , surmised through context and research, is an alien artform to them.

The things that can be proven as Fact - have been done so; dates, times, locals, individuals have even confirmed these historical figures Masonic membership (though rank seems to be debatable)

The other claims (treasure rooms ..etc) I'd imagine have no other "source" material - and even if it did .. they would just ask for a source..for the source..lol.



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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reply to post by femalepharoe
 

Actually the OP says he has evidence, but refuses to post it.



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by femalepharoe
 

Actually the OP says he has evidence, but refuses to post it.


The OP has been banned.






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