Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by nenothtu
The only thing that will save the country is for the GOP to return to it's roots...and by that I mean old-school GOP who are offended by what Newt
Gingrich once derided as "Right Wing Social Engineering". Big government from the right is no better than the left.
Take the GOP and minus the evangelical right and all the social engineers...the "values voters".
What you are left with then is actual grown-ups. Fiscal conservatives. Folks that lend balance to the idealistic left.
The country needs both...a progressive, idealistic left constantly trying to push the country forward and a fiscally conservative right to fence them
in when the left's idealism overshadows rational though and practicality.
This conversation has taken a disturbing turn - but in a good way
Back in the day, I was considered a "right winger". Even then, I raised the ire of the right every now and then, although not as much as now, when
dealing with neocons. I recall the days of Falwell and the "Moral Majority" - which I always maintained were neither moral nor a majority - but
that, I believe, was the beginning of the end, looking back. I've never supported those loons, because they are being unfaithful to both their
politics AND their religion, and I'll have no truck with them.
Somewhere along the line I realized that I was so far to the "right" that I wrap back around to the left. For example, I can see the lunacy of
decrying "big government" while at the same time calling for a new Amendments specifying what other
folks do in the dark in their own
chambers. If I'm not right there with them, why the hell should I care what they're up to?
It's nonsensical to be pushing both "Small government" and increased governmental power at the same time.
But as long as we are in a "culture war" egged on by a neo-con, big government, GOP partnered with the evangelical right and exploiting social
issues...gay marriage, race, contraception, religion ad nuaseum. Then the left can meet them on the field of "social" issues and fight there...a
place where niether the left or right belong...and no one discusses the difficult issues.
A diseased Right creates a diseased Left. Both expanding government...just arguing about what that expansion should be.
Exactly. Some time between 1998 and 2000, the Republican party left me, and old farts like me, altogether. They got so wrapped up in fighting an
imaginary battle against "the other team" that they left the people high and dry, and then we figured out that "the other team" was just a
different mask on the SAME team. Now, whether one would argue that the "left" is the same as it always was, and the "right" swung left, or whether
one would argue that the "left" is not the same as it was, and has swung to the "right" is immaterial to me. What's important is that they are
the SAME - with different masks on, to be sure - but pursuing the same ultimate goal of power and sujugation over a once free people, albeit by
different routs. The routes mean nothing to me, either - it's the end result that counts.
I hope every day that the GOP recovers it's sanity and removes the growing tumor of the Evangelical Right and "Big Government" conservatives who
look to legislate values...so that the left, which I lean toward, can be held to account and recover thier own sanity. Our government operates best
when it is balanced, progressive, yet conservative upon where they push forward. Advancing un an efficient and globally strategic way. A balance
between the idealistic left, which is neccessary to progress and the conservative Right that demands that any iniative be neccessary and fiscally
responsible. Government only as big as it needs to be and no more. How the hell do we arrive there when we spend weeks debating birth control,
abortion, gay marriage, whether a mosque is built in Kentucky...with people calling eachother terrorists and Kenyans and socialists etc. etc.?? Where
are the grown-ups in DC?
The grown ups in DC have left the (Capitol) building. I used to entertain thoughts that the GOP maight come back around, but have despaired of that,
and disabused myself of that notion. They're not coming back, so I walked away from that field, left it to the loons. An adversarial system is the
best way to operate a government and keep it in check. I think that probably the only way we'll ever get back to that is to form another party to
replace the GOP - and maybe another for the DNC - that would be for those on that side of the field to decide in their own interests - and go from
there, leaving the kids we have now in the dust. I doubt that will happen, as I'm not sure that we can find enough people interested in the
separation of State and Church, and the separation of State and Social Issues to form such parties.
Politics do not mix well with much of anything other than politics. Social problems will always be a part of the mix, as will economic considerations,
but it goes beyond the pale to be legislating morality in either direction. It's not my job to tell someone else how to live if it doesn't infringe
upon me, and likewise it's not their place to tell me how to live if I'm not infringing them. Mediating those instances of infringement is the
business of government, not creating new ones.
Where are the old school conservatives? Have they been run out of town by the far right mobs screaming RINOs? Do they sit silent in fear of thier
base's fury? I hope and pray they take back thier party soon...cuz the left needs them. Without them the left has no one to restrain their idealism.
A complete victory for the Left or the Right spells doom in my opinion. So strangely enough, I am left of center, but hoping that the Right recovers
it's sanity and holds appropriate power so we can get back to focusing on what we need to do as a country.
By "far right" and "RINOs", we probably mean differnt things. From where I stand, the same people that most refer to as "far right" ARE the
RINOs. When one starts mixing reigion and social dictums into his politics, he forsakes politics from over here. Hannity is a RINO. O'Reilly is a
RINO. Limbaugh may be King RINO. Bush (both) is (are)a RINO(s). Santorum is a RINO. Gingrich is a RINO. Romney, and anyone who would back him, is a
Old School conservatives are still around, they've just been redesignated as radicals, and have no one to speak for them. Sort of like the old school