Obama Calls for More Redistribution of Wealth, Declaring: ‘I Am My Brother’s Keeper’

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by xuenchen

 

And that was the best they could do ? WOW. Chickenfeed and pigeon droppings. That didn't even pay for gas And after all WE Citizens did for all the bankers and politicians !! Thanks for Nothin !!

It was meant to put money back into an economy that was collapsing. The stimulus was a mix of increased spending and tax cuts. BTW...gas was around 1.70 a gallon then.

You also should now, this also put more people in the percentile of those were are getting more back in tax returns than they payed in income taxes. You know that talking point from the GOP right? 47 percent don't pay income taxes?

So which is it? Are you guys against more tax cuts for the middle class? Shouldn't we be paying more taxes to lift the horrible burden we are placing on billionaires?

edit on 2-4-2012 by David9176 because: (no reason given)

Any way you put it,

it's still Chickenfeed and pigeon droppings.

The poor have gotten poorer and many have become poor with Obama !!

Go Obombamites !!

The taxcuts were/are BeeEss and useless !

Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
Good. That is the way humans should be. The Right wants ppl to die to protect profit.

where do profits come from if ppl die ?

reply to post by xuenchen


What do you suggest we do?

I've seen plenty of criticism, but no ideas.

Originally posted by AutOmatIc
How about we just make into law the 100% inheritance tax....then there would be no more super elite ! Bring that on already because our current system sucks balls for sure!

um, no

I'm in line for some money which I will need to live on when I retire, I will not be super elite, I will be super coupon shopper

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by David9176

 

Wow...that's amazing...I am the middle class and I paid more...must have been a glitch in the matrix.

The stimulus went to prop business up...not to the middle class...

If you paid more, you either made more money, lost a tax credit (like a child dropping as a dependent), or you messed up your taxes.

There is no possible way anyone in the "middle class" paid higher in income taxes under Obama if everything stayed the same with their income.

So you are either lying or you screwed up your taxes.

reply to post by xuenchen

where do profits come from if ppl die ?

You don't understand his point. Republicans are defending the current way our insurance system is set up...knowing damned well that the only way it's feasible to do it is by denying people healthcare. Mitt has said it, Ron Paul has said it.

That's what they believe.

Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
Good. That is the way humans should be. The Right wants ppl to die to protect profit.

I dare say this is true in a practical sense when you model out the real effect of their budgets. Universal healthcare?! Why that's tyranny!!! Put it another way and it is just as factual to say that the Right is thrilled that we are the only industrialized nation that treats a 3 year child's terminal illness as a profit center. If they could process and reason, they'd see things for what they are, not what their media masters and talking heads demagog.

reply to post by xuenchen


My God!

Obama wants to have better schools and higher education open to more before drowning in debt?
And..what? He wants to get us off the fossil fuel addiction by promoting emerging technology?


What nerve..what arrogance...doesn't he know we want our people dumb, in debt, and polluting the world for centuries to come...how will Saudi Arabian royals build golden palaces if we stop using soo much oil!!!

What a commie!


(I swear, sometimes I wonder if ATS also allows backwards world to join)
(Oh, and if you haven't noticed this is all sarcasm, then your a bit of a moron)



LOL. I wish I still believed everything I heard.

Originally posted by xuenchen
Obama made a campaign speech at the University of Vermont and used some Bible references
to somehow justify his well known "Redistribution of Wealth" agenda.

Well, Jesus was what is now usually considered Socialist.

Just saying.

reply to post by David9176


Accuse me of lying.....post it and prove it.

reply to post by petrus4

Well, Jesus was what is now usually considered Socialist. Just saying.

Ronald Reagan would be a considered a Marxist based on their rhetoric. He wouldn't be able to satisfy today's conservative extremists.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by petrus4

 

Well, Jesus was what is now usually considered Socialist. Just saying.

Ronald Reagan would be a considered a Marxist based on their rhetoric. He wouldn't be able to satisfy today's conservative extremists.

I don't know about he being considered a Marxist, but if conservatism can be summed up as a belief in limited government, Ronald Regan paid lip service to this while simultaneously expanding government more than any of his predecessors.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Paid $1000 dollars more for same exact yearly pay...had same exemptions...

had even more deductions...very well respected CPA did taxes...

Dont call me a liar because you can't face the truth that Obama is not doing what you think he is doing...and don't ask me to post my tax return.

reply to post by timetothink

you believed all that bull that Obama did a tax cut for the middle class????

The stimulus went to prop business up...not to the middle class...

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

I don't know about he being considered a Marxist, but if conservatism can be summed up as a belief in limited government, Ronald Regan paid lip service to this while simultaneously expanding government more than any of his predecessors.

I know that...but that's not why i made that statement. This is what was on my mind....

And so, in 1985, a four-page provision called the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act was inserted into the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, which was duly passed and eventually signed by President Ronald Reagan on April 7, 1986.

What Does It Mandate?

There are many misconceptions about what the law requires of hospitals. It does not outlaw transfers of patients who cannot pay or who are otherwise deemed undesirable. It does not (at least as of this writing) require that hospitals provide all care in perpetuity to a patient who receives an evaluation in the ED. It allows for waivers in some situations, such as natural disasters.

What it does require:

That all patients seeking care in an emergency department be evaluated by a competent clinical professional, and if found having a condition requiring emergency care must be treated until stabilized before any transfer.

For women in active labor, the hospital must deliver the baby unless the institution is not equipped to do so (as in the case of a high-risk pregnancy and the lack of a neonatal ICU).

The hospital to which a stabilized patient (or one who must be transferred because the originating hospital does not have the necessary services or personnel) is to be sent must agree to accept the patient.

The patient must consent to the transfer, if possible.

Adequate medical records must accompany the transferred patient.

reply to post by petrus4



Wow...you got that part of the bible wrong...he believed in compassion and helping your fellow man...but individually, not by force from the government.

He believed you teach a man to fish, not just keep giving a man fish like a seal at Seaworld.

And pay unto Caesar what is his....meaning the government shouldn't take more than it needs in taxes, only what is absolutely necessary.

reply to post by blueorder


Extravagant entourage? What exactly do you mean by that? The standard secret service for him and family, nothing new there. Add the fact he's the most threatened President in modern times. The mindless hate that Obama has had spewed towered him is just obscene and unreal. Not based on any rational logic for those who "don't care who wins in November as long as its not Obama" How wise the electorate aint. Bozo the clown could run (oh sorry several are) and it would mean Diddley. Even the bumbling Bush the 2nd, who was not loved by many, never had this kind of issue, the vast threats despite a lot vitriol directed at him. Thats according to Freedom of Information requests on threat assessments that are not classified.

Just the number of threats we know at least unclassified are not few but huge the numbers threatening against Obama is staggering, and unprecedented, at least since the civil war. A lot of people south AND north hated Lincoln. But we were in a civil war by no means loved by vast numbers in the north. And Lincoln was the obvious focus of all that angered people.

Some things don't change however. Gas prices go up, despite record oil company profits, despite producing more oil then ever before domestically, and more drilling etc? But hey the President is such an easy target. Ah details... By the way the oil companies have been told by no other then the Fox News person Bill O'Reilly that the government should ban all sales of fuel by oil companies overseas given the fact they sell a lot of highly refined fuel to other countries.

My God, can you imagine the right having kittens complete with passing after birth if Obama proposed that? Its not a trick question people. Can you hear the screams of not just "Socialist"! add Communist, Despot, and a few things I can't say to nice polite people. Wow. And Bill O on his Fox News program on at 8:00pm eastern, said this more then once. My jaw hit the floor so hard I got a tremor alert (what the hell was THAT) from the seismographic people at Boulder CO. Its all true, short of the tremor alert, but wow. Wonder if that comment has been covered on those pinko networks you know like MSNBC. Likely they couldn't believe it unless they heard it themselves.

Oh, the military aids that shadow the President actually at his heel 24/7 including being outside the door to the family quarters when the President spends time with his family also is nothing new. Now if he had his or the first ladies personal decorator follow them everywhere, then I would have a problem with that. Who ever the President is makes him a gigantic bullseye 24/7. I am not talking politics with that comment, with anyone as President and his/her family I would wish it was not so.

Wishing won't make the world all break out into kumbia, however.

reply to post by David9176


Some facts to prove me wrong? And which stimulus you are refering to?

reply to post by timetothink


Well i already pointed out one aspect that you have completely ignored...but here:
STIMULUS PACKAGE

If you're in the market for a new car or your first house, the compromise stimulus bill offers modest tax breaks for both kinds of purchases. First-time home buyers would receive an $8,000 tax credit, and they wouldn't have to repay the government later as is required for the current $7,500 credit. An earlier Senate proposal would have provided all home buyers with a $15,000 credit.

The bill also would allow new car buyers to deduct the purchase's sales tax from taxable income.

A key element of the stimulus bill would provide most Americans with a tax credit of $400, or $800 for married couples. The tax credit would phase out for single taxpayers with adjusted gross incomes of $75,000 to $90,000 and married couples with AGI of $150,000 to $190,000.

The tax credit would increase the average taxpayer's paycheck by about $8 a week, prompting some to question whether it will do much to stimulate consumer spending. But for a single worker, the credit is the equivalent of a $500 salary increase, after taxes, says Clint Stretch, managing principal for tax policy at Deloitte Tax. "In this economy, if you walked into your boss' office and demanded a $500 raise, you'd probably get laughed at," he says.

This is ultimately the reason why no one seemed to notice...probably because increased insurance premiums equaled it out for most people. Also, as i stated in another post, these tax breaks were not sent out in checks like Bush's 2 rounds of stimulus checks.

Retirees who receive Social Security benefits and individuals on disability would receive a $250 tax credit, says Tom Ochsenschlager, vice president of taxation for the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants. Because these individuals typically don't have withholding, they'll likely receive a check, he says.

•An expanded earned income tax credit and child tax credit for low-income families.

•A higher education tax credit. Parents of college students would be eligible to claim a tax credit of up to $2,500. The credit is more generous than the existing Hope Scholarship Tax Credit, which maxes out at $1,800 and is available only for the first two years of college, says Amy McAnarney, executive director of H&R Block's Tax Institute. The tax credit, which would be available in 2009 and 2010, phases out for single taxpayers with AGI of $80,000 to $90,000 and married taxpayers with AGI of $160,000 to $180,000.

•A stopgap measure designed to prevent the alternative minimum tax from hitting more than 24 million households in 2009. The AMT was designed to prevent extremely wealthy taxpayers from using loopholes and deductions to avoid taxes. But because it was never indexed to inflation, it has expanded to encompass more upper-middle and some middle-class taxpayers. About 4 million owed the AMT last year.

He has a good point; he should be his brother's keeper and HE can redistribute HIS wealth to take care of him. Nothing but more grooming for his socialist agenda. Fix the school system so illiterate retards don't get diplomas, that would be a good place to start. Teach kids that if they wear their pants around their ass, get a face full of hardware and tats all over their body, their future isn't going to look too bright. Why in hell should I have to pay for that? Why should I have to pay for Shaniqua's 5 illegitimate kids? The bottom line is, welfare breeds welfare. That is a fact.

Obama should be using himself as an example; a poor black kid from Kenya can do anything he want's, including be president of the United States. I'm sick of the government telling me that the responsible among us are responsible for the irresponsible.