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Originally posted by ErtaiNaGia
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
doing the same experiment several hundred times with the same error is not independent verification.
Several THOUSAND times, actually... lol
really? Who was that then?
CERN stunned the world when it announced last week it had clocked neutrinos moving between CERN labs in Switzerland and San Grass, Italy faster than the speed of light.
Since then physicists have been busy running calculations to confirm the findings, while also looking at data from 2007.
The four-year-old information comes from the Fermilab National Accelerator in Illinois and their MINOS experiment in Soudan, Minnesota that produced the same results found at CERN.
Because the Fermilab results were within a margin of error, no announcements were made at the time. CERN's results, however, are such a statistical certainty that were it not such an earth-shaking event, the news would already be considered a new discovery.
Originally posted by neotech1neothink
reply to post by DJW001
'Faster than light' scientist steps down ?
If the Scientist is faster than light? Why is he stepping down?
Hasn't he PROVED his theory correct?
Originally posted by Rocketman7
If, when we look, we collapse the wave function, we are the mouse click.
Well you are the one that said several hundred originally - sorry you were wrong
but in any case - 1 or 10,000 - and that makes it different how??
and the 2007 Fermilab data is only from 1 source, not "at least two" as you said, and did not "confirm the results" at all, being within the margin of error.
Originally posted by rwfresh
Originally posted by F4guy
Originally posted by GLontra
This is obviously a cover up.
The neutrinos were REALLY faster than light.
If you're so sure of this, then you should have no problem in quantifying the rest mass of a superluminal neutrino. No? Or at least give us the proof.
Funny. If scientific america told you next week that neutrinos were faster than light would you setup your own particle accelerator to confirm it? Or just believe whatever they told you? hahaha. Proof.. yeah because that's what it's all about.
this moron really think he was smarter
then old ALBERT E.? ...
It is easily proven that Albert Einstein did not originate the special theory of relativity in its entirety, or even in its majority.1 The historic record is readily available. Ludwig Gustav Lange,2 Woldemar Voigt,3 George Francis FitzGerald,4 Joseph Larmor,5 Hendrik Antoon Lorentz,6 Jules Henri Poincaré,7 Paul Drude,8 Paul Langevin,9 and many others, slowly developed the theory, step by step, and based it on thousands of years of recorded thought and research. Einstein may have made a few contributions to the theory, such as the relativistic equations for aberration and the Doppler-Fizeau Effect,10 though he may also have rendered an incorrect equation for the transverse mass of an electron, which, when corrected, becomes Lorentz' equation.11
Albert Einstein's first work on the theory of relativity did not appear until 1905. There is substantial evidence that Albert Einstein did not write this 1905 paper12 on the "principle of relativity" alone. His wife, Mileva Einstein-Marity, may have been co-author, or the sole author, of the work.13
There is clearly a link between Einsteins success and his genius wife Mileva Maric. I would go as far as saying that she was a major contributor to theories he published for several reasons. When Mileva asks Einstein for money if he earns Nobel price he gives in without opposition. What kind of leverage she had for him to do so? Ever since they separated Einstein has not produced anything significant. His communication ability and founded on papers published in 1905 made him famous but all his future work was invalid and even contradictive of his famed work. If Mileva arrived to e=mc2, as a women scientist, she would have very difficult time being taken seriously. Finally, the whole secrecy about his first marriage is suspect as well.
Originally posted by popsmayhem
this moron really think he was smarter
then old ALBERT E.? Get a grip dude m=mc2edit on 2-4-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)
That lighter elements could be formed by bombarding heavy nuclei with neutrons had been suggested earlier (notably by the German chemist Ida Noddack in 1934), but the idea was not given serious consideration because it entailed such a broad departure from the accepted views of nuclear physics and was unsupported by clear chemical evidence. Armed with the unequivocal results of Hahn and Strassmann, however, Meitner and Frisch invoked the recently formulated liquid-drop model of the nucleus (see above) to give a qualitative theoretical interpretation of the fission process and called attention to the large energy release that should accompany it. There was almost immediate confirmation of this reaction in dozens of laboratories throughout the world, and within a year more than 100 papers describing most of the important features of the process were published. These experiments confirmed the formation of extremely energetic heavy particles and extended the chemical identification of the products.
The story of the discovery of nuclear fission actually began with the discovery of the neutron in 1932 by James Chadwick in England (see above). Shortly thereafter, Enrico Fermi and his associates in Italy undertook an extensive investigation of the nuclear reactions produced by the bombardment of various elements with this uncharged particle. In particular, these workers observed (1934) that at least four different radioactive species resulted from the bombardment of uranium with slow neutrons. These newly discovered species emitted beta particles and were thought to be isotopes of unstable “transuranium elements” of atomic numbers 93, 94, and perhaps higher. There was, of course, intense interest in examining the properties of these elements, and many radiochemists participated in the studies. The results of these investigations, however, were extremely perplexing, and confusion persisted until 1939 when Otto Hahn and Fritz Strassmann in Germany, following a clue provided by Irène Joliot-Curie and Pavle Savić in France (1938), proved definitely that the so-called transuranic elements were in fact radioisotopes of barium, lanthanum, and other elements in the middle of the periodic table.
According to Jefferson Lab, an average 70 Kg person, that's about 150 lbs, will have approximately 7*10 to the 27th atoms in their body. That's 7 followed by 27 zeros (7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000).
The number of stars in the Universe, which is estimated at 10*10 to the 21, or 10 followed by 21 zeros. (10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000).
Originally posted by atsmem1980
Originally posted by thebestnr1
he supposedly got it wrong a few weaks ago why step down now
i didnt read it because its all a cover up and therfore bs
einstein was wrong face it
i mean seriously would'nt u check double check and then double check a hundred more times before claiming somthing like that
seems REALLY REALY strange too me just saying
anyways al u science boys have to admit scientist CAN be wrong
and if he did get it wrong THANKS for wastin BILLIONS on failing equipment
good show ,no really...edit on 2-4-2012 by thebestnr1 because: (no reason given)
or maybe he is right and has been selected to lead a secret project
Originally posted by DrJay1975
Somthing that big you have to take a big risk.... ridiculous. If you conduct an experiment that turns relativity on its ear you had better make sure you have achieved a repeatable outcome and validate everything. The big risk he took was starting the experiment and make the scientific community aware of his hypothesis. Sorry but you are dead wrong in thinking jumping the gun is a necessity. It isnt. That is why this is science. What he did was the equivalent of these ghost hunter shows saying the equipment does x when a ghost is near. They cant even quantify a ghost. Pseudo science. Which is exactly the real he put opera into.
Someone else said the scientiffic community needs to bemore tolerant of failure. Most of science is failure and it is accepted. What hw did was unscientiffic and fraudulent. Thats why he resigned. He should have been fured. Fraud. Because he half assed it. He made a mockery oh his team and ser theoretical physics back a secade.