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Don’t Take the Bait – The Race Bait – It’s the Oldest Trick in the Book

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posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
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Seems like justice is being pursued in those cases. It also seems like in that 1st video you posted the local MSM is calling it exactly what it is, a hate crime. So I'm not sure what your point is.


Did the president acknowledge it? Did the usual champions of race (Sharpton, Jackson et al) acknowledge it? Was it covered by MSM nationally for weeks on end?

I’m just saying that these people are stoking the flames because it’s how they make a living. They stoke racial tensions and appeal to extremists to further some agenda. Just the other day Sharpton called for an escalation.


If George Zimmerman is not arrested in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin soon, theRev. Al Sharpton will call for an escalation in peaceful civil disobedience and economic sanctions. . . .

The civil rights activist and syndicated television show host said he will elaborate on this plan Saturday. "I will speak about how the National Action Network will move to the next level if Zimmerman isn't arrested,"
Sharpton said, who founded the organization.
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If the DA didn’t find enough evidence to move forward with charges against Zimmerman then why demand for arrest? And what kind of person threatens ‘an escalation in civil disobedience’? This is a MOB mentality and these actions are disgraceful yet society continues to allow it to happen time and again from the POTUS on down.

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posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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The lynch mob didn't like that decision, so they scream louder and call for blood.

That is not "justice", it's a decided lack thereof. It's an attempt to override justice and force it to bend to the will of the lynch mob.


EXACTLY!!


The sad part is that when these instigators do things like this the POTUS either openly supports the outrage or his justice department turns a blind eye.

Where is Holder?? A group put out a ‘wanted dead or alive poster’ and assembled 5,000 black men to hunt down a man who has been charged with NO CRIME. Zimmerman isn’t a fugitive and the Panthers certainly are nothing more than a lynch mob.



Where is holder?? Where is the POTUS condemning this action and trying to deescalate the situation??



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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Your thread is not racist nor is it race baiting. You have outlined the indisputable statistics that show that for every one crime committed by whites on blacks there are 9 crimes committed by blacks on whites. These statistics are not conjecture or opinion; they are iron clad fact backed up by the judicial records of our country.

I understand your message. Your OP was meant to point out that 1 out of 10 times the media/civil rights leaders have issue with the crimes committed but 9 out of 10 times do not. It is not about if there were convictions or not convictions in the cases; the purpose of the OP is to point out that the 1 out of 10 garners a great deal of attention while the 9 out of 10 do not. This shows a bias in our media and a bias in the civil rights leaders whom silence regarding black on black and/or black on white crimes is deafening.

Where are the outcries against the most prevalent violent threat faced by African Americans today in this county; other African Americans. Where are the voices crying out for peace among all men? Where are those that decry gang rapes, lynching by fire, or any other violence based on the principle that no man should harm another not upon the principle that one race should not harm another?

If I were a leader among the people of my community/race/profession/religion I would focus my energy, criticism, and efforts on eliminating the leading cause of death among those within whatever community I represent. I would speak out against all violence between any peoples and demand that the biggest danger to my community be addressed.

In Al Sharpton and Jesse Jacks's instance they are leaders of the black community which ignore the most prevalent threat to their community. Rather than focus on the crime within their community, the real threat to their community, we do tend to only see these two speak out 1 time out of 10 not 9 times out of 10. This bias seems indicative to me that their focus is not where it should be; and that they are more interested in "hot button issues" and the attention they get from them rather than working to have a meaningful, positive impact against the most prevalent threat faced today by African Americans in this country.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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This Discussion of Race it self is One of the Key Reasons why Racism refuses to Die!
As long as Humans still consider each other Different simply because our skin color is a different we will never Get past this idiotic way of thinking.

We are all cut from the same Cloth (So to speak) We all Have Issues, Stories (Both good & Bad), When will we ever find it in our hearts to Love Each other Simply because We know in our Hearts we are all searching for the same thing in life! (Happiness).



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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I don't know if you're being deliberately obtuse, have some irrational fear of groups larger than 2, or don't speak the same version of English as I do.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 12:24 PM
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This Discussion of Race it self is One of the Key Reasons why Racism refuses to Die!
As long as Humans still consider each other Different simply because our skin color is a different we will never Get past this idiotic way of thinking.

We are all cut from the same Cloth (So to speak) We all Have Issues, Stories (Both good & Bad), When will we ever find it in our hearts to Love Each other Simply because We know in our Hearts we are all searching for the same thing in life! (Happiness).


I tend to agree with you that because race keeps being brought up the issue won’t die. I’m all about dropping it and I think a great percentage of whites have dropped it. I base that on the fact that 90% of the inter-racial crime is black on white rather than white on black. When people like Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, Holder, etc are allowed to keep the discussion and focus on race we have no chance of moving forward. We should reject these people and their tactics because it doesn’t serve anybody well.

Are there racists of all colors? Of course!! Will it ever go away 100%? Of course not! However, the greatest problem IMO lies in the race baiters that I pointed out who continue to stoke the flames as a means of controlling people.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by petrus4
The problem is that there are a lot of black individuals, who are not willing to take responsibility for the levels of violence in their own nature.



What do you mean by that? I would like you to school me about my unwillingness to "take responsibility for my levels of violence in my own nature." Please, as a human that has been designated as "black", I ask that you explain this because so much can be inferred from what you typed there.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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I know your question wasn’t directed to me but I’ll take a stab…

If I replace the word ‘nature’ with ‘culture’ it makes more sense to me. The single biggest threat to blacks is blacks. Black on Black crime is a HUGE problem and extremely prevalent, much more so than anything whites do to blacks.

Rather than Sharpton and Jackson going after the rare occurrence of White on Black crime (which in the Zimmerman case he’s not even white!) they should be looking into the problems within the black community first.





Blacks like Bill Cosby, who speak out on these issues, are called every name in the book. Why is that?? Why are the real problems never addressed but instead these so-called ‘leaders’ like Sharpton choose instead to pursue the boogyman?



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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I agree with you OP. S and F, Most of the people getting mad at you are ignorant. Easy to say you dont notice color when you're white and living around white people all the time.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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never in my life have i been on an internet forum where somebody pointing out FACTS is considered race baiting. i

"i've heard people speak like sharpton is being described" again, if you have never heard al himself you can't argue a damn thing about him.

that would be like me trying to argue soccer with european soccer (football) fans. i don't know anything about it but i have seen some mexican games while i was at a local mexican eatery.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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All people are capable of almost anything good or bad its all about the situation



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 02:42 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Seabag,
I understand what you are trying to say and I know it's a big talking point in the right wing media at the moment. The media sucks and Sharpton/Jackson tend to do more harm than good. I think your point would be valid if, as I said before, you pointed out cases where justice isn't being served. Personally, I think it's long past time when we had some intelligent discussion on race because it plainly still is an issue, ignoring it will not make it go away. This is a multi-colored/cultured country and we'd better learn to function like it, in my opinion.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by Hardstepah
never in my life have i been on an internet forum where somebody pointing out FACTS is considered race baiting. i


I have a theory. Perhaps, when you step outside the warm, subterranean realms of Apricity and Storm Front, you'll more or less develop "culture shock", internets-style, when you come to discover not everyone shares the notion of "races" and don't take too kindly to direct or covert displays of racism. You and selected others see what is presented here as "fact", but as we know, one man's fact, is another man's pile of manure.



Edited to add: I asked a question earlier in this thread, and no one seems able to answer it without giving me some convoluted mind-screw nonsense about "black culture" (whatever that is, like all black people follow one culture :@@
and Bill Cosby. Say what you mean and mean what you say now, and don't try and dance across the heat you turned on. Explain to me, what violent tendencies are more innate to a black person, as was clearly implied.

Direct quote from Petrus4: "The problem is that there are a lot of black individuals, who are not willing to take responsibility for the levels of violence in their own nature."

But naw boss, this is not the most ironic thread in human history at all. Not at all.

edit on 2-4-2012 by HoppedUp because: Forgot to add something. Don't want to create a one line post to do so, thanks.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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I must respectfully disagree with a few posters here. Black people killing other black people is the order of the day. It is far more prevalent. I don't worry about some random white guy robbing me or engaging in gunplay...I'm black, and in certain places, I keep an eye out for black guys...just the way it is when you're in certain areas. And I would really like to point out that the black people that perpetrate these crimes DO NOT represent MOST black people. They usually come from poor neighborhoods, poor parenting, very limited education, PARTLY due to underfunded, poor curriculum inner-city schools. I was fortunate not to have that type of upbringing. Seriously, most black people are not criminals. And when I see certain posts, it seems as if this is the consensus. As if black people are inherently violent. If that was the case, slavery wouldn't have went so one-sidedly smooth, and during the civil rights era, no blacks would have just laid there getting their skull cracked singing we shall overcome. Just saying. The fact is there are idiots in EVERY race. No one race has the monopoly on that.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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And one more thing, let's can all of this race crap. We're all on the same boat, and it's sinking while we argue about something as trivial as what color we are. TPTB are doing an outstanding job, no?



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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I must respectfully disagree with a few posters here. Black people killing other black people is the order of the day. It is far more prevalent. I don't worry about some random white guy robbing me or engaging in gunplay...I'm black, and in certain places, I keep an eye out for black guys...just the way it is when you're in certain areas. And I would really like to point out that the black people that perpetrate these crimes DO NOT represent MOST black people. They usually come from poor neighborhoods, poor parenting, very limited education, PARTLY due to underfunded, poor curriculum inner-city schools. I was fortunate not to have that type of upbringing. Seriously, most black people are not criminals. And when I see certain posts, it seems as if this is the consensus. As if black people are inherently violent. If that was the case, slavery wouldn't have went so one-sidedly smooth, and during the civil rights era, no blacks would have just laid there getting their skull cracked singing we shall overcome. Just saying. The fact is there are idiots in EVERY race. No one race has the monopoly on that.


Thank you...I appreciate your candor and your insight. I'm not sure if anything I've said in this thread was taken as an implication that all black people are inherently violent but I can assure you that's not my belief. 

Having said that, we agree that the biggest threat to black people is other black people. You've pointed out the type of people who engage in that type of criminal behavior so I won't rehash it. I will add that IF people like Sharpton would use their energy to better the lives of the people who engage in that behavior rather than being divisive maybe the statistics would drastically change. I'm sure Sharpton and Jackson could be a force for good if they were so inclined. 

Racism is racism regardless the color of the perpetrator's skin. I think Sharpton and Jackson are racists thru and thru and I believe they do more to undermine and hinder the progress of black Americans than any white person on the planet. 



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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And one more thing, let's can all of this race crap. We're all on the same boat, and it's sinking while we argue about something as trivial as what color we are. TPTB are doing an outstanding job, no?


I agree but you need to tell that to Sharpton, Jackson, Obama, Panthers, NAACP, etc as they are the driving force behind KEEPING race an issue. 

This isn't a topic I would bring up if not for people like them who keep the flame burning. When they come out race baiting I feel the need to be defensive because I feel like I'm under attack. I know the facts but they ignore the truth and make whites out to be the bad guy in every situation. 

I'm tired of it and I'm not alone. You seem to be tired of it too. 



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by seabag

Where is holder?? Where is the POTUS condemning this action and trying to deescalate the situation??



Holder should be tried for treason.

His handlers above him also.

His word has NO merit,or weight on the subject.Hes a Traitor.
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posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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" You know how you get rid of racism, terrorism or any other unwanted -ism in society today?"

Stop Participating In It.

~Tenth



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