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Satan is good and God is evil?

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posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by DeadSeraph

Originally posted by LionOfGOD
reply to post by IpsissimusMagus
 

This just utter and complete BS, for it is evident that you have not read a WORD of Crowley,
but you are merely stating stuff that other people have enforced you to believe.
I mean, how can ANYONE disagree with the statement " Love is the law, love under will."?
FFS, even Christ agreed to that!


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You are missing the hidden meaning in that quote entirely.


You mean the part where if you live through love, loving everything and everyone, you will find peace?


No. The part where love is subject to the will (and thus will takes precedence over love in all things).


To Starchild23:

With this, i agree. Not going into too deep on subject matter (since it´s not the topic)
But just dropping a line of Crowleys steaming BS that tastes good, straight into a Bible thumper´s face, it´s worth a good laugh, at least. Crowley´s thoughts were NOT about this "unified-mankind-blah-blah-blah",
but yet they were.
There can be no teacher, or mentor, considering the subject at hand. Crowley KNEW this. You just close your eyes, hold your nose and JUMP, after which you just watch out for the big fat fly trying to devour you while you claw your way through that steaming pile of s**t.
But then again, i could be wrong,

BTW:
Crowley died of a respiratory infection in Netherwood boarding house in Hastings,
the year was 1947. (according to wikipedia)
THE.GREATEST.MAGICIAN.EVER.


Whatever.
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posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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If you believe that Crowley's teachings are not based on Luciferian doctrines then YOU have not understood a WORD.

If you like I will provide you with info from both and you can compare for yourself.



posted on Apr, 3 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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My apologies, for i in general view recent posts on the ATS without logging in,
and because of that,
my arrogance took you as a fanatic christ-yahoo.
If was wrong, my apologies, once again.
If i wasn´t, well apologies just for the fun of it.

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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by bluloa
You mention the book of revelations in your OP, well just remember the book of revelations tells us the Devil enslaves man and creates war.

Also Revelations tell us that the ~Devil dosent stand a chance against God, and God wins.

Dont back a loser, back a winner. Back God!


Well you know, if God would just lighten up a little and not roast people for masturbating and fornicating, killing everyones first born children, giving people boils and hemaroids, constantly ending the world and re-starting, wanting people to obey all these silly rules like don't eat too much, don't have pride in yourself or anyone else, don't have sex with your mother or sister (OK scratch that one and forget I said it), put people to death for cheating on their wives/husbands, OK I can't think of any more...lol

Generally telling everyone they have to live boaring, pleasureless, benign, eventless, conforming, robotic lives, after giving humans the ability to think for themselves(hy did he do that if all he wanted was sheep)?

There are so many "Y's" about christianity that christians simply cant answer in Laymans terms without just quoting some verse in the bible and then saying "there you go, there is the proof"...lol

God would have a lot more backers if he wasn't so completely up humself..!!
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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by CaptainNemo

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by CaptainNemo
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Don't think you'd be as confused if you read what the Bible says. Try to answer some of your own questions. You can ask me a question if you'd like.


Okay, Jim Jones had all of his followers commit suicide by drinking poison. Was Jim Jones all-loving or was he a lunatic? The terrorists that committed suicide for Allah by flying planes into the Twin Towers - were they all-loving, or were they lunatics?

The biblical god killed everyone and every animal on the face of the planet (except for those on Noah's ark). Is this god all-loving, or is he a lunatic? The biblical god killed all of the firstborn of Egypt. Is this god all-loving, or is he a lunatic?
The biblical god turned a woman into a pillar of salt simply for turning around and looking at the destruction of Soddom and Gomorrah. Is this god all-loving, or is he a lunatic?

And why, Why, WHY would you justify the atrocities committed by the biblical god while considering Jim Jones and terrorists pure evil?


Before I answer your question, I have some questions for you:

Do you know the circumstances behind those instances?
What do you think the world would be like how he hadn't committed those acts?
Do you think there was a benefactor in each one of those situations?
Do you think the end result was love?


Always the way with you types. Can't give a straight answer or a simple yes or no. The biblical god you believe in and so love is a ruthless, mentally twisted, evil murderer. What do I think the world would be like if god hadn't committed those acts?



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 05:04 AM
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And this is what happens when people don't read the bible. They take things at face value.

Unbeknownst to everyone who calls God a "murderer" and a "Furious Harbinger of Judgement", is that there is more than meets the eye. There are truths behind the words.

That is all I will say.
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posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by KamiKazeKenji
And this is what happens when people don't read the bible. They take things at face value.

Unbeknownst to everyone who calls God a "murderer" and a "Furious Harbinger of Judgement", is that there is more than meets the eye. There are truths behind the words.

That is all I will say.
edit on 2012/4/4 by KamiKazeKenji because: (no reason given)


Actually, that happens when people do nothing but read the Bible. I call them Christian literalists. They are like religious Republicans.

Actually, there are more people who misunderstand "God" than there are people who don't believe in "God" at all. And it's those who misunderstand Source who often do the most damage.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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It sounds like some people are tremendously mislead. Good and bad things happen. Everything that happens was created by the creator to happen. There is nothing wrong with bad things. They are inevitable. Acceptance is key.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb
It sounds like some people are tremendously mislead. Good and bad things happen. Everything that happens was created by the creator to happen. There is nothing wrong with bad things. They are inevitable. Acceptance is key.


No. 95% of what happens in this world, was caused by mankind. We have no one but ourselves to blame.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by KamiKazeKenji
And this is what happens when people don't read the bible. They take things at face value.

Unbeknownst to everyone who calls God a "murderer" and a "Furious Harbinger of Judgement", is that there is more than meets the eye. There are truths behind the words.

That is all I will say.
edit on 2012/4/4 by KamiKazeKenji because: (no reason given)


Yes! And the truth behind the words is that the bible is a reflection of the mindset of the people back then. It is not a reflection on what a genuine, all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving, all-merciful god would be like. No genuine god would kill anything, anywhere, at any time.

Just look at the Middle East. Murder, war, honor killings... The mindset of that society hasn't changed since the days of the authors of the bible. And THAT is why violence is so prevalent throughout the bible. No real god would ever kill, or condone killing, or condone owning slaves, or condone animal sacrifices or cruelty of any kind.

There are so many more falsehoods and contradictions in the bible that it boggles the mind how anyone can believe it.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Starchild23
Actually, there are more people who misunderstand "God" than there are people who don't believe in "God" at all. And it's those who misunderstand Source who often do the most damage.


Yes! I believe some form of awesome power instilled life into the very first living cell on this planet. If not a god, then someone or something very close to what we would consider a god.

But when people blindly defend the bible without offering intelligent reasoning, it's make them look like mindless fanatics.

I can't count how MANY times I've been told that the biblical god is all-knowing, yet when I question the lines in the bible that blatantly contradict this, I see the eyes of these believers glaze over. They either completely derail the topic, or offer really lame excuses (it's a parable; there are hidden meanings, the simple human mind can't comprehend what god does...). There are a few lines that reveal this un-knowing, but the one that comes to mind is when the biblical god said to Abraham, "Now I know that you fear me." This line can ONLY mean that God DIDN'T know this before hand.



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb
It sounds like some people are tremendously mislead. Good and bad things happen. Everything that happens was created by the creator to happen. There is nothing wrong with bad things. They are inevitable. Acceptance is key.


Holy mackerel!


A conversation between god and a human"
God: If you do this thing, something will happen.
Human: Will this something be good or bad?
God: Yes.
Human: Huh?
God: If you do this thing, I have made it so that something good, or something bad will happen.
Human: If I choose the right way, will you change the bad thing that will happen?
God: No.
Human: If I choose the wrong way, will you change the good thing that will happen?
God: No.
Human: Then what's the point of even knowing that you exist?



posted on Apr, 4 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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A conversation between god and a human"
God: If you do this thing, something will happen.
Human: Will this something be good or bad?
God: Yes.
Human: Huh?
God: If you do this thing, I have made it so that something good, or something bad will happen.
Human: If I choose the right way, will you change the bad thing that will happen?
God: No.
Human: If I choose the wrong way, will you change the good thing that will happen?
God: No.
Human: Then what's the point of even knowing that you exist?


God: On the off chance that the power-mongers I have given complete control will try to teach you to behave by manipulating you through your innate needs to worship something and be afraid of something else, both of which I apparently installed just to watch you blow people up over differences in opinion.

Human: ...WHAT?!

God: Just remember, don't question me or ever hesitate if I ask you to kill someone, or you're going straight to hell.

Human: ...*suicide* X__X
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posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 12:27 AM
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The Bible is full of metaphors and allegorical tales that can not be translated literally. There are so many fallacies in this post it's hard to decide where to begin...

In the beginning, all beings were connected as one, shared one mind, and functioned as one massive body. God created the perfect man to function as one within Himself (God). He placed mankind in the Garden of Eden and commanded man not to eat of the “fruit” from the “tree” in the center. What does all this mean?

Modern Christians take the word eat to literally mean the physical consumption and ingestion of the fruit and thus many have the misguided belief that Adam & Even “fell” by eating food. This is preposterous. God did not punish mankind for eating food. All these words are metaphors and their true meanings are as follows: “to eat” meant “to learn”, a “tree” represents a life-form such as another man or Godlike entity, “fruit” represents knowledge from “a tree” (entity or being), and a “garden” would thus represent a place where the aforementioned trees/entities congregate, “grow” & reproduce, or live. There are two Gardens: The Garden of Light (God of Light & Love) and the Garden of Darkness (Satan & Material Realm). Thus, mankind eating the fruit from a tree in the center of the garden is actually a metaphor meaning man partook of knowledge from a source other than the Light, very likely that of darkness, and thereby separated himself from God.

Because the man ate the fruit he separated himself from the One. He empowered his own ego, the "I want" inside himself, and a new tree of knowledge within mankind, the "I", became his center of consciousness instead of God. The more man craved and wanted the further he became separated from God by his own will, even if he was ignorant as to what he was doing. Once the “I” tree was planted there was no going back without requiring the man to suffer a death (and once again, death is another metaphor suggesting the conscious aspect of the ego-self letting go and re-uniting with God).

This is why Genesis 3:3 says “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. “

And... Mark 8:24 says "And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking." supporting the concept that the “tree” in the center of the garden was actually a being.

Before mankind empowered his own ego driven self, he was sheltered inside the Oneness & Light of God. After eating the fruit he “fell away” creating a mental “bridge” between the Light & Darkness. Once the “I” existed mankind now how to choose between the Light, Dark, and serving himself. Thus, the Serpent says:

Genesis 3:5 “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

Now God has two apparent choices: Destroy man or allow man to live and make his own decisions. He evidently took the latter path and left mankind to live by his own free will. He gave mankind the option to return to Him by dissolving the “I” ego-center to reunite with Him. To this very day, anyone who merges with the One can and will regain their rightful inheritance which is their right to eternal life. God being the Spring of Life from which mankind will drink when he is reconnected to the source.

Mankind can not otherwise live forever without another source from which to drink which is where Satan apparently reenters the picture....

[continued]



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by SkyWatcher2
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There are so many fallacies in this post it's hard to decide where to begin...

In the beginning, all beings were connected as one, shared one mind, and functioned as one massive body. God created the perfect man to function as one within Himself (God). He placed mankind in the Garden of Eden and commanded man not to eat of the “fruit” from the “tree” in the center. What does all this mean?



Agree. That is one delusional fallacy there. God created God, and placed God in the Garden of Eden. God then said, Let God not eat of the Tree of knowledge, else God will know things that God knows. It means that this wouldn't, couldn't, didn't happen. It's like saying, "Let's pretend that we don't know anything, even though we know everything." Why play this game? More to the point, why would any god play this game?



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by SkyWatcher2
reply to post by Infi8nity
 


Modern Christians take the word eat to literally mean the physical consumption and ingestion of the fruit and thus many have the misguided belief that Adam & Even “fell” by eating food. This is preposterous. God did not punish mankind for eating food. All these words are metaphors and their true meanings are as follows: “to eat” meant “to learn”, a “tree” represents a life-form such as another man or Godlike entity, “fruit” represents knowledge from “a tree” (entity or being), and a “garden” would thus represent a place where the aforementioned trees/entities congregate, “grow” & reproduce, or live. There are two Gardens: The Garden of Light (God of Light & Love) and the Garden of Darkness (Satan & Material Realm). Thus, mankind eating the fruit from a tree in the center of the garden is actually a metaphor meaning man partook of knowledge from a source other than the Light, very likely that of darkness, and thereby separated himself from God.

Because the man ate the fruit he separated himself from the One. He empowered his own ego, the "I want" inside himself, and a new tree of knowledge within mankind, the "I", became his center of consciousness instead of God. The more man craved and wanted the further he became separated from God by his own will, even if he was ignorant as to what he was doing. Once the “I” tree was planted there was no going back without requiring the man to suffer a death (and once again, death is another metaphor suggesting the conscious aspect of the ego-self letting go and re-uniting with God).

This is why Genesis 3:3 says “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. “

And... Mark 8:24 says "And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking." supporting the concept that the “tree” in the center of the garden was actually a being.

Before mankind empowered his own ego driven self, he was sheltered inside the Oneness & Light of God. After eating the fruit he “fell away” creating a mental “bridge” between the Light & Darkness. Once the “I” existed mankind now how to choose between the Light, Dark, and serving himself. Thus, the Serpent says:

Genesis 3:5 “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

Now God has two apparent choices: Destroy man or allow man to live and make his own decisions. He evidently took the latter path and left mankind to live by his own free will. He gave mankind the option to return to Him by dissolving the “I” ego-center to reunite with Him. To this very day, anyone who merges with the One can and will regain their rightful inheritance which is their right to eternal life. God being the Spring of Life from which mankind will drink when he is reconnected to the source.

Mankind can not otherwise live forever without another source from which to drink which is where Satan apparently reenters the picture....



Two points:

1. You actually believe that the creators of the bible (of low to average intelligence) thought and understood all of this? Then they said to themselves, "The common man will never understand this, so let's confuse them even further by using only metaphors and analogies." It makes no sense.

2. Seeing as you had the capability of writing the true meaning of God and the Garden of Eden, why didn't the authors of the bible simply do this? Answer: Because it's a HUGE load of crap.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 03:26 AM
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Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by SkyWatcher2
reply to post by Infi8nity
 


Modern Christians take the word eat to literally mean the physical consumption and ingestion of the fruit and thus many have the misguided belief that Adam & Even “fell” by eating food. This is preposterous. God did not punish mankind for eating food. All these words are metaphors and their true meanings are as follows: “to eat” meant “to learn”, a “tree” represents a life-form such as another man or Godlike entity, “fruit” represents knowledge from “a tree” (entity or being), and a “garden” would thus represent a place where the aforementioned trees/entities congregate, “grow” & reproduce, or live. There are two Gardens: The Garden of Light (God of Light & Love) and the Garden of Darkness (Satan & Material Realm). Thus, mankind eating the fruit from a tree in the center of the garden is actually a metaphor meaning man partook of knowledge from a source other than the Light, very likely that of darkness, and thereby separated himself from God.

Because the man ate the fruit he separated himself from the One. He empowered his own ego, the "I want" inside himself, and a new tree of knowledge within mankind, the "I", became his center of consciousness instead of God. The more man craved and wanted the further he became separated from God by his own will, even if he was ignorant as to what he was doing. Once the “I” tree was planted there was no going back without requiring the man to suffer a death (and once again, death is another metaphor suggesting the conscious aspect of the ego-self letting go and re-uniting with God).

This is why Genesis 3:3 says “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. “

And... Mark 8:24 says "And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking." supporting the concept that the “tree” in the center of the garden was actually a being.

Before mankind empowered his own ego driven self, he was sheltered inside the Oneness & Light of God. After eating the fruit he “fell away” creating a mental “bridge” between the Light & Darkness. Once the “I” existed mankind now how to choose between the Light, Dark, and serving himself. Thus, the Serpent says:

Genesis 3:5 “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”

Now God has two apparent choices: Destroy man or allow man to live and make his own decisions. He evidently took the latter path and left mankind to live by his own free will. He gave mankind the option to return to Him by dissolving the “I” ego-center to reunite with Him. To this very day, anyone who merges with the One can and will regain their rightful inheritance which is their right to eternal life. God being the Spring of Life from which mankind will drink when he is reconnected to the source.

Mankind can not otherwise live forever without another source from which to drink which is where Satan apparently reenters the picture....



Two points:

1. You actually believe that the creators of the bible (of low to average intelligence) thought and understood all of this? Then they said to themselves, "The common man will never understand this, so let's confuse them even further by using only metaphors and analogies." It makes no sense.

2. Seeing as you had the capability of writing the true meaning of God and the Garden of Eden, why didn't the authors of the bible simply do this? Answer: Because it's a HUGE load of crap.


Whats even more comical is that you think you have the entire history of the universe figured out.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Starchild23

Originally posted by smithjustinb
It sounds like some people are tremendously mislead. Good and bad things happen. Everything that happens was created by the creator to happen. There is nothing wrong with bad things. They are inevitable. Acceptance is key.


No. 95% of what happens in this world, was caused by mankind. We have no one but ourselves to blame.


I never said the creator was supernatural. The creator can just mean our own on-going development and the sum of our past experiences. In any case, good and bad are inevitable. Accepting who you are and what everything is which includes good and bad is the key to the unity of truth.



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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Perhaps the creature that the Bible refers to as ''God'' is NOT God.Just a theory.True Christians know that God is love,that divine energy inside everything,period.
I came across this series of videos about this man's quite interesting work :* Mauro Biglino translated 23 books of the Bible for the Vatican. He had to translate the Leningrad Codex (the version of the Bible which all three major monotheistic religions - Cristian, Jewish and Muslim - recognize as the official Bible) from the Hebrew, word by word, literally and with no interpretation whatsoever. That is to say, he's not a wannabe kabbalist, conspirationist or ufologist, since the official publishing organism of the Vatican approved and released those books, at least 17 of them. While working on the Bible, he realized that many of the stories this book tells where mistranslated, misinterpretated, mostly on purpose, in order to insert the notion of a spiritual, allmighty and unerring God.* It might be worth your time whether you decide to agree with him or not. Enjoy

www.youtube.com...



posted on Apr, 5 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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Yeah, you know, because you were there and you know exactly how things went down, and the Genesis account is just SOOOOO detailed and descriptive!!


If it isn't descriptive enough to be entirely accurate, then how is it descriptive enough to base an entire religion off of?



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