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Originally posted by DeadSeraph
Originally posted by Starchild23
Originally posted by DeadSeraph
Originally posted by LionOfGOD
reply to post by IpsissimusMagus
This just utter and complete BS, for it is evident that you have not read a WORD of Crowley,
but you are merely stating stuff that other people have enforced you to believe.
I mean, how can ANYONE disagree with the statement " Love is the law, love under will."?
FFS, even Christ agreed to that!
edit on 3-4-2012 by LionOfGOD because: (no reason given)
You are missing the hidden meaning in that quote entirely.
You mean the part where if you live through love, loving everything and everyone, you will find peace?
No. The part where love is subject to the will (and thus will takes precedence over love in all things).
Originally posted by bluloa
You mention the book of revelations in your OP, well just remember the book of revelations tells us the Devil enslaves man and creates war.
Also Revelations tell us that the ~Devil dosent stand a chance against God, and God wins.
Dont back a loser, back a winner. Back God!
Originally posted by CaptainNemo
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by CaptainNemo
reply to post by jiggerj
Don't think you'd be as confused if you read what the Bible says. Try to answer some of your own questions. You can ask me a question if you'd like.
Okay, Jim Jones had all of his followers commit suicide by drinking poison. Was Jim Jones all-loving or was he a lunatic? The terrorists that committed suicide for Allah by flying planes into the Twin Towers - were they all-loving, or were they lunatics?
The biblical god killed everyone and every animal on the face of the planet (except for those on Noah's ark). Is this god all-loving, or is he a lunatic? The biblical god killed all of the firstborn of Egypt. Is this god all-loving, or is he a lunatic?
The biblical god turned a woman into a pillar of salt simply for turning around and looking at the destruction of Soddom and Gomorrah. Is this god all-loving, or is he a lunatic?
And why, Why, WHY would you justify the atrocities committed by the biblical god while considering Jim Jones and terrorists pure evil?
Before I answer your question, I have some questions for you:
Do you know the circumstances behind those instances?
What do you think the world would be like how he hadn't committed those acts?
Do you think there was a benefactor in each one of those situations?
Do you think the end result was love?
Originally posted by KamiKazeKenji
And this is what happens when people don't read the bible. They take things at face value.
Unbeknownst to everyone who calls God a "murderer" and a "Furious Harbinger of Judgement", is that there is more than meets the eye. There are truths behind the words.
That is all I will say.edit on 2012/4/4 by KamiKazeKenji because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by smithjustinb
It sounds like some people are tremendously mislead. Good and bad things happen. Everything that happens was created by the creator to happen. There is nothing wrong with bad things. They are inevitable. Acceptance is key.
Originally posted by KamiKazeKenji
And this is what happens when people don't read the bible. They take things at face value.
Unbeknownst to everyone who calls God a "murderer" and a "Furious Harbinger of Judgement", is that there is more than meets the eye. There are truths behind the words.
That is all I will say.edit on 2012/4/4 by KamiKazeKenji because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Starchild23
Actually, there are more people who misunderstand "God" than there are people who don't believe in "God" at all. And it's those who misunderstand Source who often do the most damage.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
It sounds like some people are tremendously mislead. Good and bad things happen. Everything that happens was created by the creator to happen. There is nothing wrong with bad things. They are inevitable. Acceptance is key.
A conversation between god and a human"
God: If you do this thing, something will happen.
Human: Will this something be good or bad?
God: Yes.
Human: Huh?
God: If you do this thing, I have made it so that something good, or something bad will happen.
Human: If I choose the right way, will you change the bad thing that will happen?
God: No.
Human: If I choose the wrong way, will you change the good thing that will happen?
God: No.
Human: Then what's the point of even knowing that you exist?
Originally posted by SkyWatcher2
reply to post by Infi8nity
There are so many fallacies in this post it's hard to decide where to begin...
In the beginning, all beings were connected as one, shared one mind, and functioned as one massive body. God created the perfect man to function as one within Himself (God). He placed mankind in the Garden of Eden and commanded man not to eat of the “fruit” from the “tree” in the center. What does all this mean?
Originally posted by SkyWatcher2
reply to post by Infi8nity
Modern Christians take the word eat to literally mean the physical consumption and ingestion of the fruit and thus many have the misguided belief that Adam & Even “fell” by eating food. This is preposterous. God did not punish mankind for eating food. All these words are metaphors and their true meanings are as follows: “to eat” meant “to learn”, a “tree” represents a life-form such as another man or Godlike entity, “fruit” represents knowledge from “a tree” (entity or being), and a “garden” would thus represent a place where the aforementioned trees/entities congregate, “grow” & reproduce, or live. There are two Gardens: The Garden of Light (God of Light & Love) and the Garden of Darkness (Satan & Material Realm). Thus, mankind eating the fruit from a tree in the center of the garden is actually a metaphor meaning man partook of knowledge from a source other than the Light, very likely that of darkness, and thereby separated himself from God.
Because the man ate the fruit he separated himself from the One. He empowered his own ego, the "I want" inside himself, and a new tree of knowledge within mankind, the "I", became his center of consciousness instead of God. The more man craved and wanted the further he became separated from God by his own will, even if he was ignorant as to what he was doing. Once the “I” tree was planted there was no going back without requiring the man to suffer a death (and once again, death is another metaphor suggesting the conscious aspect of the ego-self letting go and re-uniting with God).
This is why Genesis 3:3 says “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. “
And... Mark 8:24 says "And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking." supporting the concept that the “tree” in the center of the garden was actually a being.
Before mankind empowered his own ego driven self, he was sheltered inside the Oneness & Light of God. After eating the fruit he “fell away” creating a mental “bridge” between the Light & Darkness. Once the “I” existed mankind now how to choose between the Light, Dark, and serving himself. Thus, the Serpent says:
Genesis 3:5 “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Now God has two apparent choices: Destroy man or allow man to live and make his own decisions. He evidently took the latter path and left mankind to live by his own free will. He gave mankind the option to return to Him by dissolving the “I” ego-center to reunite with Him. To this very day, anyone who merges with the One can and will regain their rightful inheritance which is their right to eternal life. God being the Spring of Life from which mankind will drink when he is reconnected to the source.
Mankind can not otherwise live forever without another source from which to drink which is where Satan apparently reenters the picture....
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by SkyWatcher2
reply to post by Infi8nity
Modern Christians take the word eat to literally mean the physical consumption and ingestion of the fruit and thus many have the misguided belief that Adam & Even “fell” by eating food. This is preposterous. God did not punish mankind for eating food. All these words are metaphors and their true meanings are as follows: “to eat” meant “to learn”, a “tree” represents a life-form such as another man or Godlike entity, “fruit” represents knowledge from “a tree” (entity or being), and a “garden” would thus represent a place where the aforementioned trees/entities congregate, “grow” & reproduce, or live. There are two Gardens: The Garden of Light (God of Light & Love) and the Garden of Darkness (Satan & Material Realm). Thus, mankind eating the fruit from a tree in the center of the garden is actually a metaphor meaning man partook of knowledge from a source other than the Light, very likely that of darkness, and thereby separated himself from God.
Because the man ate the fruit he separated himself from the One. He empowered his own ego, the "I want" inside himself, and a new tree of knowledge within mankind, the "I", became his center of consciousness instead of God. The more man craved and wanted the further he became separated from God by his own will, even if he was ignorant as to what he was doing. Once the “I” tree was planted there was no going back without requiring the man to suffer a death (and once again, death is another metaphor suggesting the conscious aspect of the ego-self letting go and re-uniting with God).
This is why Genesis 3:3 says “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. “
And... Mark 8:24 says "And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking." supporting the concept that the “tree” in the center of the garden was actually a being.
Before mankind empowered his own ego driven self, he was sheltered inside the Oneness & Light of God. After eating the fruit he “fell away” creating a mental “bridge” between the Light & Darkness. Once the “I” existed mankind now how to choose between the Light, Dark, and serving himself. Thus, the Serpent says:
Genesis 3:5 “For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.”
Now God has two apparent choices: Destroy man or allow man to live and make his own decisions. He evidently took the latter path and left mankind to live by his own free will. He gave mankind the option to return to Him by dissolving the “I” ego-center to reunite with Him. To this very day, anyone who merges with the One can and will regain their rightful inheritance which is their right to eternal life. God being the Spring of Life from which mankind will drink when he is reconnected to the source.
Mankind can not otherwise live forever without another source from which to drink which is where Satan apparently reenters the picture....
Two points:
1. You actually believe that the creators of the bible (of low to average intelligence) thought and understood all of this? Then they said to themselves, "The common man will never understand this, so let's confuse them even further by using only metaphors and analogies." It makes no sense.
2. Seeing as you had the capability of writing the true meaning of God and the Garden of Eden, why didn't the authors of the bible simply do this? Answer: Because it's a HUGE load of crap.
Originally posted by Starchild23
Originally posted by smithjustinb
It sounds like some people are tremendously mislead. Good and bad things happen. Everything that happens was created by the creator to happen. There is nothing wrong with bad things. They are inevitable. Acceptance is key.
No. 95% of what happens in this world, was caused by mankind. We have no one but ourselves to blame.
Yeah, you know, because you were there and you know exactly how things went down, and the Genesis account is just SOOOOO detailed and descriptive!!