Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors
Says who?

There are MANY members here who WANT to know whats going on.

How does it benefit you, in any way shape or form, to know that four people were offered as a human sacrifice in Mexico?

I will say it again; Google the definition of fear porn.

How does it benefit anyone to discuss the kennedy assassination, mayans, ancient aliens etc etc.

We discuss them because there is no real answer.

afterall, the mayans sacrificed thousands of people and they future prominently on this site.

Its news an the real world.

I got my 2 cents worth and then got cheated out of a dollar by ATS. my opinion and everyone elses matter and id buy that for a dollar all day long..

Originally posted by petrus4

The lying trolls who keep screaming censorship at me, need to stop.

This is not about censorship.

The very title of this thread is a direct request for censorship.

Regardless of your reasoning, you're asking members to self-censor their contributions to this website.

Considering the above quoted excerpt, doesn't this in fact make you the liar?

Originally posted by petrus4
The lying trolls who keep screaming censorship at me, need to stop.

This is not about censorship. This is about the craving for negativity. The ceaseless, endless craving for drama. The obsession with problems, and the accompanying lack of desire to look at solutions.

I was not motivated to write the OP, in response to people's posting of said crimes by themselves. I am responding to the underlying motivation that people have, for posting the reports of said crimes.

I am going to keep saying this to every lying troll in this thread who accuses me of wanting censorship. I do not want censorship; I want you to start to want to stop being as sick as you are.

It is not about you wanting to be informed. It is about your glorification of how terrible certain things are.

You are asking for censorship. This is from your OP ...

I'm asking the staff to get involved here.

and

Political and economic analysis, among other things, are fine; but the daily brutalisation or murder of a civilian by a cop, or yet another white supremacist diatribe, is not.

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It is not in any way justifiable, for people to continue posting every example of that type of story that they can find, on this site.

You were motivated by the posts themselves. This is the title of your thread ...

Please stop posting about the most sick crimes you can find

How do you know what motivates people?

I am responding to the underlying motivation that people have, for posting the reports of said crimes.

How do you know these people are sick?

I want you to start to want to stop being as sick as you are.

How do you know these things?

It is not about you wanting to be informed. It is about your glorification of how terrible certain things are.

You have complained incessantly about the decline in the quality of this site, you have made both general and specific statements about the quality of the membership and the quality of the posts ... and yet you are doing the exact same thing.

Where is your proof for the following statements you have made?

The other issue is, that I know full well that you people are not primarily interested in solutions, so do not try to lie to both of us that that is the case.

You want to read about people being brutalised, killed, and/or sexually abused because you are addicted to drama and conflict.

You might try and lie that it is important to have those stories here, because it supposedly helps us figure out the reasons why they happen, but that is not the real reason why you want that sort of material.

Provide what you desire. Provide proof for these statements.

It is unfortunate that some feel obligated to point out what might garner attention, and what may not. And worse, it is an apathetic attempt to censor view points and aspects of contention. I suppose that some would place this current topic above a ritual killing in Mexico, but isn't it a little self-glorifying to suggest that one has more relevence?

Ignorance is not bliss.

In order to change the world we live in, it's important to know what is really going on.

If you cannot take the harsh reality of what is going on to the majority of people all over our planet than watch Dancing with the stars, Malcom In The Middle, The 70's Show or even Fox News.

If you want to be informed, then come to ATS.

As you are skimming the forum titles, if you know it's going to upset you, than skip over it - don't open the thread up.

Why did I post some unpleasant stuff about animals and children?

To wake people up to what is going on and to try to get people to try to change the many injustices, cruelties and hurtful stuff that so many innocents must suffer through..............to change the world.

Yes, taking that red pill is indeed a bummer.

If you cannot handle it, walk away.

Go back to sleep in the Matrix if you can.

But, be warned, you think that the "stuff" affecting other people a ocean away will never affect you and so you want to just think about flowers, butterflies, rainbows and cute soft puppies and kittens.

If we all don't unite and change "business as usual" the tyranny, injustices and horror that many people and animals now face on a daily basis will eventually affect either you, your children or your grand children.

We cannot keep going on the way we are going.

Wars, endless wars.

Famine.

Genocide

People that are leading us towards self-destruction both as a species and our beautiful planet.

One, two, three million "awake and aware" people cannot change this world, it will take a lot more.

Now, I hear you.

Every once in a while I take a break from ATS, the news, anything heavy.

But I do volunteer twice a month at a homeless shelter and I can tell you right now, that just a couple years ago, we got predominantly drug addicts, Alcoholics, ex Vets suffering from PTSS, mentally challenged people and people who were just lazy.

Now we are finding more and more every month, people that once held a 9-5 job, a home, a car, kids, the whole American Dream - the Middle Class, are now homeless.

One medical issue, job loss (outsource to another country), or one legal issue and bam you have what were once "normal, middle class" people now homeless.

Sick Crimes: Who will speak for the 8-10 million (in America alone) dogs and cats that are abused and snuffed out every day?

Who will speak out for the children that are abused.

I am a survivor of being an orphan at 9 and for the next 11 years being physically, sexually and mentally abused.

Nobody spoke up for me, nobody, even when I tried to tell, nobody would listen - people don't like to hear about unpleasant stuff, it upsets their Barb and Ken Doll World.

If you can't handle the real time news, and you won't bare witness and think up ways to stop this tyranny and injustice than go back to sleep in the matrix.

I'm not saying you are bad or weak.

But, TPTB are still screwing over the majority of people and we need to unite and change the way our world is currently being run.

Knowledge is power.

I'm at the point you are at though currently, I'm taking a sabbatical from "the sad stuff".

Most of the people that post about sick crimes due so to stir people to action to revolt and complain to their government officials about these crimes.

Many need to get this off their chest as cheap therapy or to bare witness to and in honor of those poor entities, human and animal that were defenseless, victimized and now forgotten.

Again, skim over the many different forums ATS offers and quickly pass over the ones that might even remotely upset you or go to a garden site, a cooking site, a macrame site, a dog training site..............take a pottery class.

People are trying to change the world for the better by informing the sleepers what is going on.

Denying ignorance is denying ignorance - ignorance is perpetrated by people who either don't know any better or are psychopathic and don't care or find happiness in hurting another.

The most sick crimes..............famine, war, injustice, murdering of innocent children and animals that have no voice.

Who will speak for the victims that have no vote, no voice, that do not matter?

If we all pretend these horrendous acts do not exist, they will continue and escalate.

I appreciate your opening thread, because I understand how hurtful, how depressive and insane a truly sensitive person can be driven to profound sadness by some of these sick crimes listed.

So you must take a break and only concentrate on lighter fare or do something.

I volunteer at a homeless shelter. We are adopting yet another dog (dog #2 that was on death row), I do some shopping for a senior and clean her house a little each week, she lives down the block from me and just lost her daughter.

Make a difference, do something, anything to make this world better for you having been here.

And don't read the forums that might upset you and you have no control of.

Take a break and read some light, inspirational books for awhile.

You are a kind, sensitive person or you wouldn't be starting a thread like this.

These sick crimes bother you..................they should, they should bother us all enough that we get good and darn mad enough to make real changes, not false promised changes but real changes.

Get books that show how we can change our current world situation for the better.

Volunteer at a food pantry or some other organization.

Safe journey.

It's what goes on in this unexpecting world. It's sad but true, most of us may not want to know that people were killed and have the option to ignore it. Others may want to be informed as to why it happened I'm sure most not if all read articles like those to find out the nature of the crime and pay their respects if the lives were innocent. Not to read it because death occurred.

The problem nowadays is stupidity. Why don't we just take the safety labels off everything and see what happens?

I agree. There is a lot of info being put forth that is absolute rubbish. Ultimately, it is my choice whether or not I want to read the crap. I have mentioned this on numerous occasions, but we have had a large influx of new members in the last 3-4 months. I do notice that the majority of the material you are addressing is coming from such. I think there are also a lot of people posting whatever they can to get flags. In general, there are some people here for all the WRONG reasons.

ATS should NOT be a place for everyone to vent. If you’re having a bad day/life, don’t try to drag me into it. It’s not my fault. There are many pity party web sites out there. Don’t make ATS one of them.

I have saved a link to this thread. I’ll remember to forward it to the next numb nut that fits the description. I don’t think it’ll take me long..

Good Thread…! S&F

Originally posted by LordGoofus
The world is a very place full of horrible atrocities. This is a fact of life and not reporting these atrocities would be to deny a part of our existence. People need to know details and be disturbed, offended or disgusted in order to drive them to take action. If they aren't forced to open their eyes people are prone to pull the "oh well, it's not affecting me so I don't care" routine.

By ignoring the details of atrocities you're also denying yourself crucial insights into the way criminals think, the way they behave and why they do what they do. Without that information you can't make an educated opinion on what needs to be done to fix the problem.

I understand some people may not be ready to face such truths, or may not be psychologically able to handle the horrible things we keep doing to each other. I would expect in those situations, the person would be self-aware enough to recognise when they read a headline or article summary whether the full details of the story are going to be something they can digest or whether it's something they should probably skip.

The fact of the matter is that a lot of people thrive on other people misery. When they see bad things happen to other people, it doesn’t make them feel so bad about their own pathetic miserable life they’re living. Do you actually believe people here on ATS are going to walk away from their computers to make the difference when they see a thread about young girls being sold off in Brazil for prostitution? Ahhhh…I don’t think so! A lot of people are here to vent! It’s obvious how bad things are getting in the world. People need someone to take it out on. Why not ATS? I guess it’s better than taking your anger out on your kids in a negative way…

Bad things happen. People are killed, animals are abused, children, you name it. We live in a sick world, it's the reality. It's completely natural for people to want to discuss these things. If you can't handle it, thats on you. It's YOUR call what you read and what you don't read.

End of the world threads are nothing in terms of making me feel uncomfortable compared to all the stars the OP received from ATS posters. I thought free press was a subject almost everyone could agree on. Especially from posters on here. Evidently not.

It will never stop.

There is a portion of this website that comes here to find depravity and to be accepted for enjoying it. There are people here that mask their fear by taking a strong stance against "them". There are people here that feel this is a safe place to spout their anonymous racisms to like minded people. There is a portion of the usership of ATS that fully and firmly believe that the more educated you are, the stupider you become.

These are people that cannot be argued with. These are people that do not have the underpinning of rational thought to ground them. They do not understand their realities so they make it up as they go along and ridicule anyone or anything that crosses their limited and skewed perceptions.

my apoligies to both caff and propulsion im a little tired at least i can apologize tho getting some shut eye now that space hoax thread has done me now im beat so once again apoligies to you to .. peace