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So who's been watching the situation in Israel?

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posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 03:40 AM
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Same here but even on the internet and cable there is a lack of coverage.

No harm or foul in my opinion, thats why we joined ATS to discuss things like this.




posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 03:43 AM
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" Besides, I'll make a statement of faith right now - IF Israel goes to war, and IF Israel is defeated.. I'll renounce my faith as a Christian."

Dont.
You d renounce it for the false reasons then.

Because its all 1 great counterfeit, that whole Meast.

bless



posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 03:57 AM
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I just wish I could have seen Israel myself before this all comes to a head. No matter who wins in the end, none of the nations involved will come out the same. Even the U.S. won't get out of fighting on our own soil to at least some degree. It's World War without the barriers of Oceans like they were in the 40's. The closer this comes to the tipping point, the more I regret that. There were a couple points I had the opportunity for time and money, yet didn't.


I'll hope for those cooler heads right up to the point the balloon goes up.



posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 04:12 AM
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If timing is a factor then Israel could be an indicator of things to come, then thats why I pay close attention to or at least try to. Though I feel something is building up and won't be revealed by the media until the final hour. So I feel that you may be very well correct. Anyhow as for the cards being stacked as they are in the USA, NDAA etc, I feel the time is drawing closer day by day. I only need 24 hours, to prepare, not that I feel that I would be so blindsided but any advantage is a good one. I think that many who don't pay close attention to details, may already find it to be too late.

Good talking to you wrabbit, off to bed but hope to continue this discussion soon!
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posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
So I don't really care what your stance is on Palestine or Israel or Iran.

While many of us in America or the UK or anywhere else in the world are being bombarded with political correctness and stupid laws, something of Biblical proportions of historic-ness is happening in Israel.

Of course it is as far as I can tell once again about the 1967 lines and Israels Independence, much like 4th of July for Americans.

Regardless of the situation or how you feel about it, something is going on over there and it is bound to become a much bigger deal in the days to come.

So what are your thoughts ATS? This is the story we should all be paying the most attention too and there is not a single thread on ATS about it.


what got me concerned was seeing kids holding mini AK47's marching with mocked up vest style bombs practicing how to kill themselves.

there is not much more truth beyond seeing that... I myself do not care about the politics or conspiracies... what I can see with my own two eyes tells me who is lying and what problem needs to be fixed.

I don't see the kids on the otherside doing that... they in fact let them in their city in Israel.



posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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the imagery coming out of there tells the truth anyway... when you can't cut through all the BS, some are only seeking justice for their children and citizens actually.


the rest of the planet has rules of engagement and they are breaking them on so many levels it is almost demonic! every American I have passed this video out to gives me the most shocking look when they see me again and start asking me questions, and with a passionate dislike for what they had just seen.

Enjoy... no matter what side you are on.


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posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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Besides, I'll make a statement of faith right now - IF Israel goes to war, and IF Israel is defeated.. I'll renounce my faith as a Christian.


I'm not hanging my faith on that, 2/3's of them end up getting wiped out and they get put to flight running for Petra for their lives so somewhere along the line they will get their asses handed to them bad enough to make them call for the Messiah they currently do not believe in.



posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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If for nothing else I'm watching the Israel situation based on the Matthew 24 prophecy. Put simply it states that from the first event of the end times to the last it should all happen in the lifetime of the generation when the first event happens. And the problem is a verifiable end time event has happened. The creation of a nation of Israel in 1948. An event predicted in multiple places in the bible.

So based on that it would appear the Apocalypse is at least 64 years old in May. And according to Psalms 90-10 a average lifetime is approximately 70 to 80 years long. The Apocalypse should be over with by May of 2028 at the outside.

That should put the signing of the 7 year agreement of Daniel 9-27 no later than May of 2021. Which would mean the preliminary events need to occur before then. In the next 9 years. Such as and not necessarily in order.

The Gog-Magog disaster and the 7 year cleanup.

The rebuilding of the Jewish temple on the temple mount.

The appearance of the "messenger of the covenant". The one guy that didn't make an appearance 2000 years ago and was supposed to. The Job of Messiah according to the book of Malachi was supposed to be a 3 man job. And according to the book of Zechariah there are 2 builders of the Jewish temple. 2 branches. The two witnesses of Revelation.

The conquering of "Persia".

And the possibility the US is supposed to fracture into 4 republics after Persia falls.



posted on Apr, 8 2012 @ 12:50 PM
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Just watched that video. Nothing i havent seen before and it is a tragedy. If i were a jewish doctor attending physician of one of those toddlers, it would be in the back of my mind constantly, wondering when that kid was going to be brainwashed and come to kill me.



posted on Apr, 8 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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exactly! In this situation one is to side with Israel because their neighbors cause is not 'Just' looking at their whole history of making the one with the family heritage basically God's amongst their sheep.

I support Israel but I am not in on the situation of how this all fits just yet... My philosophy sometimes is very one sided, my garden is ripe and fresh like a whole new one was established for me here to keep these sheep away form it.



posted on Apr, 8 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Just watched that video. Nothing i havent seen before and it is a tragedy. If i were a jewish doctor attending physician of one of those toddlers, it would be in the back of my mind constantly, wondering when that kid was going to be brainwashed and come to kill me.



what is stopping us from just going in? the time is now... their wealth is buying them technology not available to any man before.



posted on Apr, 8 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
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exactly! In this situation one is to side with Israel because their neighbors cause is not 'Just' looking at their whole history of making the one with the family heritage basically God's amongst their sheep.

I support Israel but I am not in on the situation of how this all fits just yet... My philosophy sometimes is very one sided, my garden is ripe and fresh like a whole new one was established for me here to keep these sheep away form it.


Where it fits in is here:

The Arabs have always wanted that land, all the way back to Ishmael and then when the world famous stunt where Esau traded his inheritance to Jacob for a bowl of red stew after he came back from hunting and didn't catch doodly squat. Esau married into the arab bloodlines, and so the arabs go on and on about how the land really belongs to them and this was long before Islam. When Muhammad came along, he decided to take what he believed was rightfully his. This is just prophecy fulfilling itself. Specifically the prophecy where Ishmael would be a wild ass of a man and always be in his brother's (Isaac) face because of Isaac's son Jacob (who was renamed Israel) so the sons of Ishmael/Esau are always making war on the children of Israel.

The failed jewish rebellion led to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple at the hands of Titus in 70 A.D., in the year 135 there was a second failed rebellion and Hadrian Caesar finished destroying Jerusalem and then ploughed the temple mount under and renamed Israel into Syriac Palestina and this Palestine was born. The Hadrian turned the land over to the arabs as an insult to an already conquered and enslaved jewish people. Muhammad comes along 600 years later after conquering the rebuilt version of Jerusalem and he decides to stick a mosque ontop of Mt Moriah smack ontop of where Herod's temple had stood as a sign of conquering Jerusalem and a declaration of war on the decendants of the jews who survived the destruction of Jerusalem...the jews and the jewish christians living in the area.

Skip ahead to modern day, the Diaspora is coming to an end, the decendants of Israel begin to return after WWII because of Hitlers persecution they want to go home to the land of their forefathers, they refuse to leave so 5 arab nations decide to rub them out for good and drive them into the sea and the 6 Day War happens. The arabs fail, and now they just guerilla war until they can gather enough strength to crush the Israeli's, the way Muhammad consolidated his power and made peace with the pagan Mecca until he was strong enough to finally conquer Mecca and that is just what he did.

So, sooner or later they will again come after the Israeli's, it's just a mattter of time. They lay and waitt he way Muhammad did because this is what he taught them. Lay in wait, gather your forces and when you're stronger than the enemy, crush them under superior numbers, but while you're still weak you bleed them dry with the death of 1000 cuts.

Muhammad was not a stupid man, he knew exactly how to kill you, when to attack you, and when to feign friendship until he was ready to come kill you. There will never be peace in the middle east, because peace ends with someone getting exterminated. Think SunTzu's Art of War, thats what theyre doing.
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posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
So I don't really care what your stance is on Palestine or Israel or Iran.

While many of us in America or the UK or anywhere else in the world are being bombarded with political correctness and stupid laws, something of Biblical proportions of historic-ness is happening in Israel.

Of course it is as far as I can tell once again about the 1967 lines and Israels Independence, much like 4th of July for Americans.

Regardless of the situation or how you feel about it, something is going on over there and it is bound to become a much bigger deal in the days to come.

So what are your thoughts ATS? This is the story we should all be paying the most attention too and there is not a single thread on ATS about it.


Your thread, opening post, does very very little to tell us readers what this "thing" that is going on over there, that is bound to become bigger in the coming days.

What is going on?



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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I couldn't say for sure as there has been little media coverage. But perhaps something similar to that what happened in Egypt last year and add Libya and Syria too however in the case of Syria TPTB have turned a blind eye where as in Israel there is a situation developing which has been overlooked by the media for now.



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I don't know.. Israel hasn't been on my radar too much. I don't have cable so I can't catch CNN or Fox News. Could the lack of news be something in and of itself?

Unfortunately, most younger Americans are watching "the situation" on MTV and would have no clue what this thread was about.


You think Fox News or CNN would know about what's going on in Israel? If it doesn't directly affect the USA, or have a Snooki or Kim Kardashian element, it's almost never reported on US cable news.

I'd be watching Al Jazeera.



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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Let me give a brief description of the state of affairs in Israel as it currently stands, in relation to current fervent topics discussed among the Israeli public:

On the issue of Iran: many Israelis believe in the media-propagated-notion of a probable Israeli attack of, and consequently war with, Iran, during the following summer. Israeli media, which is leaning to the Left, persistently raises discussion about the consequences of an Israeli attack on Iran -- the issue being the first to be presented to the public in almost all the news editions --, and continually inundate the watchers with estimations as to by whom will Israel be attacked as a reciprocation, which weaponry will be used, and the issue of safe havens and gas masks. Some Israelis are certain, with a somewhat apocalyptic, holocaust-alluding vibe, that such a war will be a complete catastrophe, although the Defense Minister, for instance, claims that only 300 Israelis thereabouts will be killed by Hezbollah's and/or others' rockets.

On the issue of politics: elections are expected in 2013 or earlier, and it can already be observed that candidates are preparing for their propaganda broadcasts. The Centrist Kadima (Hebrew for "Forward") party, currently the leading party of the Opposition, is expected to collapse, and there is only a very slight likelihood that its new chairman, Shaul Mofaz, will receive many votes. However, it seems that this party of the Centre will be replaced with another Centrist party, founded by journalist and author Yair Lapid: its agenda will include resistance to the growing religious compulsion in Israel, and other social reforms. On the Left-of-center, it seems that the Labor party is going to occupy a few more seats in the Knesset (the Israeli parliament), as the Israeli non-right-wingers are disappointed with the Centrist feeble opposition to the Right Coalition. Further to the Left, I don't expect much shift, though probably the current Jewish Leftist parties are going to proportionally shrink, and the Arab ones stay the same. As regards the Right-of-center, the Likud (Hebrew for "Consolidation") party whose current chairman is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is on the rise, with many Israelis considering Netanyahu to be the person most fit for the Prime Ministry. Further to the right, Avigdor Liberman, the chairman of the Rightist Yisrael Beitenu (Hebrew for "Israel Our Home") party, is probably going to lose very few seats, due to his electorate -- being disappointed by his shilly-shally stance on religious issues -- deserting to Yair Lapid. It is noteworthy that the religious parties are Right-leaning on political issues, but are Socialist when it comes to economy: therefore, the Shas party, and may be another party headed by the convicted criminal Ariyeh Der'i, as well as a few smaller religious parties, are going to receive some support from the religious proletariat, which has been persistently persuaded by the media that Netanyahu's policies are detrimental to their interests. As regards the extreme Right: it will obtain probably one more seat in the Knesset, due to the numerical growth of its electorate: mainly the settlers. The Rightwing extremist party (called 'The National Union', as it currently consists of 4 Nationalist small parties in union) is also religious in addition to being Nationalist. In conclusion, the Right is on the rise, small parties I refrained from even mentioning are going to disappear, and as always, the religious dictate the everyday life of the Israeli citizen.

On the issue of social affairs: all prices are on the rise, including the price of basic foods, oil, gas, electricity, housing, etc. Massive demonstrations are expected in the summer (unless everyone sits in safe havens due to a war with Iran), demanding what the demonstrators call "social justice". These demonstrations are going to have political agenda as well, probably Left-of-center type slogans and the like. It must be noted that Israelis usually don't have any firm stance regarding issues which seem of immense importance to the rest of the world: how to treat illegal infiltrators? Should drugs be legalized? Should the fine on prostitution be lifted? Etc. Israelis can't bring themselves to view international social issues as urgent, instead preferring to discuss affairs which are ideologically-based, such as ending the settlements if you're a Leftist; or affairs which include financial consequences, such as urging the government to reduce indirect, secondary taxes and enlarge direct, prime ones. They don't notice how their liberty slips away from them, and the state is becoming more and more totalitarian every day. That's why the secular people have allowed the state to deteriorate into an almost theocracy: Israelis just don't understand how a liberal society should look like. Ideology and money are useless when you don't have the liberty to exert them whatsoever.

Right now, one of the topics discussed in the media is the flight of adventure-seeking Leftist provocateurs to Israel, a flight whose purpose is to delegitimize the Jewish state and express solidarity towards the Arabs. Or, if we consider how things actually work in the real world, it is yet another anti-Israeli provocation, funded by European governments and rich, Leftist international organizations, aimed at presenting Israel in a demonic shade, achieved by delivering cash to the provocateurs so they can all ‘afford’ a flight to Israel and a stay in it, provocateurs who will then struggle to invoke as much police violence against them as possible, thus presenting the brutality of the Jewish state and the supposed misery of its Muslim residents -- another manner of the European states to capitulate in submission before the extortionist, oil-rich Islamists.

Earnestly, those who’ve been following the situation in Israel, should know all of this basic data.
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posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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For all the narrow minded fools out their complaining another middle eastern thread has been necromanced onto the board, what we are witnessing in the middle east, is ESCALATION to a BIG war....

I still think Israel, is going to attack Iran, in one form or another to prevent the development of a nuclear warheads or if Iran, already has nuclear warheads, they will use it on Israel..

The bottom line in the middle east for the Arabian, leaders of the likes of Syria, or Lebanon, the Palestinians, etc. etc. is the complete destruction and annihilation of the evil Zionistic state evil jew, etc. aka Israel..

Its just a matter of time...


I guarantee you, Promise you, if your 40 years old or younger and die of old age, I guarantee you will see war in the Middle East... Rest assured nuclear weapons will be used...

so ya the middle east is a news headline...



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Sounds like what is also happening in America.

Should make for an interesting summer.
We are also familiar with the term "social justice" it is a tool used by the extreme left and does not really have justice for anyone in mind.

So if thats the case, I guess well have to pay close attention this summer for escalations similar to Egypt in Israel as well as America.

Time to batten down the hatches, theres going to be a world war it sounds like.



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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Sounds like what is also happening in America.

Should make for an interesting summer.
We are also familiar with the term "social justice" it is a tool used by the extreme left and does not really have justice for anyone in mind.


In Israel, I wouldn't say it's the extreme Left which uses the slogan "social justice" (or its full slogan: "the people demand social justice"), but rather the people whose political agenda ranges from Centrist to normal Left. Extreme Leftists have other slogans, such as "end the apartheid", "peace now", etc. When the leaders of the demonstrations of the last summer had been asked, what exactly their demands are, they refused to transmit any resolute answers, merely the repetition of empty slogans. However, it must be noted that last summer, politicians did not participate in the demonstrations, though you could notice that the demonstrators received funding by, indeed, extreme Left organizations. (Take "New Israel Fund", for instance) The following summer is expected to be more political, and the Leftists hope that the demands for "social justice" will translate to "ending the occupation", though that's an unlikely scenario, considering most Israelis are not that Leftist. A recent poll indicates that the majority of teenagers prefer Avigdor Liberman, the current Foreign Minister and a normal Rightist, as the Prime Minister. In Israel, the establishment is Leftist, and the population is Rightist: that's why Rightwing politicians are getting elected, but then they proceed to pursue Leftist policies.



So if thats the case, I guess well have to pay close attention this summer for escalations similar to Egypt in Israel as well as America.


I doubt that the American people will rebel against Obama. Recent polls indicate that the majority of Americans are unsatisfied with the Republican candidates, and the same people who once voted Obama for office might do it again. This would be a negative development for Israel, as Obama's policy is pro-Islamic, and besides pressuring Israel not to attack Iran, he is expected to initiate massive pro-Palestinian campaigns, aimed at forming a "Palestine" state. As for the situation in Israel: the Israelis won't rebel against Netanyahu, as they came to view him as a considerate and a resolute leader after he had exchanged the abducted soldier Gilad Shalit for 1,200 terrorists. Thus, as I've noted above, the Israelis consider Netanyahu to be an adequately felicitous and competent Prime Minister, and indeed, on the international sphere, he has had a few achievements, such as displacing the discourse with Obama from the Palestinians toward Iran; nevertheless, by rapprochement too closely with the American Republicans, Netanyahu set a precedent of having the Democrat candidates considerably less Israel-interested in comparison with the very-interested Republicans. If Obama gets reelected, this is going to hamper Israel's future relations with Democrat presidents of the US.


Time to batten down the hatches, theres going to be a world war it sounds like.


I don't have such sharp apocalyptic tendencies as to state that the Iran-Israel war will be a world war, though I basically agree that humanity isn't likely to stay the same after the war occurs. In fact, even if the war is avoided, a nuclear Iran will certainly shift the balance of power in the Middle-East and in the world in general toward the Islamic side, and consequently, assuming the regime in Saudi Arabia will collapse, as well as that of Jordan (and the Hashemite Monarchy will collapse), the prospect of the formation of a Caliphate immensely rises. However, a Caliphate is not necessarily a reason to fret: having Muslims united under a single leadership considerably facilitates the Western struggle against the virulent spread of Islam. A war with Iran is not necessarily related to this affair, though. If Israel does strike Iran's nuclear facilities, it remains to ruminate as to the sequence of events which will follow: are the lives of many Israelis in danger? And if the Iranian issue is solved, what then will happen in the Palestinian sphere? Whatever actually happens, Israel has no chance to survive 2060. By then, Israel's religious sector will be the major one, productive secular Israelis will leave the state, Arabs will also grow enormously, and the state may be conquered by all Arab states, losing the war and responding with nuclear weapons.

The catastrophe may not be as near as it seems, but certainly, it's there, waiting to explode in everyone's face.



posted on Apr, 9 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Nobodies going against Obama. In fact Obama is stoking the fire.
That is the irony of the Occupy movement. Obama is not pushing their wants fast enough, that is their only grounds for disagreement. Otherwise they will pat each others backs and give themselves high fives.



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