GValdez wrote: "We did find something that resembled a ventilation shaft [on Archuleta Mesa]."

RH says: Well, I would be interested to know when that was. Either on the 1988 videotape I previously mentioned, or during another interview around that time, your dad unequivocally told me that he had found *no* artificial structures on the mesa. Hopefully, that is on the tape, which I will attempt to locate ASAP.

On the other hand, in the fall of 2005, Doty told Coast to Coast that OSI had placed certain equipment and small structures on the top of the mesa, to mislead Paul and others snooping around.

Two problems here: 1) Doty has told so many lies over the years, some of which he later admitted, that it's impossible to know the veracity of that statement. 2) If OSI did place anything up there, why hadn't your dad found it as of the time he made the statement to me (on tape?) about finding nothing artificial.

I will contact you later this summer regarding a visit to Albuquerque to review your dad's materials. Thanks.

Originally posted by GVALDEZ

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You will be able to make your own decisions once I start adding info

Very interesting, I'm glad you are going to present the information.
Have you read Lambright's book? I'm eager to see your thoughts on it. What was your personal impression of Mr. Bennewitz?

Originally posted by Robert Hastings
greyer wrote: "Paul [Bennewitz] setup a special monitoring station in the area and learned that UFOs were all over. Eventually Paul learned how to pick up signals and transfer them into transmissions on a video screen which communicated with the alien video screens. Gabe Valdez witnessed an alien on the screen and said it looked like a reptilian..."

RH: What is the original source of this information? Where did it first appear?

Hello Robert, sorry for not seeing your question earlier, I wanted to look up some of the interviews to check on my sources. The original source of the reptilian bird alien came when Greg Bishop said to Bill Moore that Gabe Valdez had claimed to have seen. I was surprised to see a picture of the alien from Gabe Valdez in the video High Strange New Mexico.

After being contacted by RH last night, Chris Lambright responded to Greyer’s comments above:

Greyer, understandably but unfortunately, is laying down conclusions drawn from what he's read over the years, but without double-checking the fine points on which those conclusions hinge.

Since Edwards clearly told Stone and Ortega (see Edward's 'Briefing transcript log entry') that his first contact with Paul was January of 1980, that answers all claims of when Paul must have contacted the Air Force--and it supports the idea that Paul likely got his films in the mid-December '79 time-frame. Edwards has said that he referred Paul to Doty (or vice-versa) and so I think it's a safe bet that almost immediately after Paul called and spoke with Edwards, Doty was on it.

There are also statements attributed to Doty (I think it's mentioned by Bishop as well) that he visited Paul the first time at his lab, though I don't have a date on that. What I could never figure out, but that I now think is significant, is why there isn't a single document attesting to any meetings or discussion with Paul between January and October/November. There isn't a single document stating exactly when Paul called and spoke with Edwards the first time (except for the 'log entry'). If Edwards was so thorough about documenting his meeting with Stone and Ortega, why is there no log showing his conversation(s) with Paul, or any document reporting when Doty first talked to Paul. Significant by their absence I think, and definitely worked to let people think it happened later in the year.

Robert thanks for contacting Chris Lambright, this is very interesting. I agree that Paul was filming UFOs at Kirtland in December of '79 and that Edwards would have all the answers. It is reported that Edwards had more than one 'close encounter' with Paul, that could mean seeing a UFO at close range or a number of things I'm thinking. In 1981 Edwards inquired the White House to Colonel Don (Paul could not remember his last name and noted he had it in his files) from the Air Force Secretary, they spoke on the phone and Edwards gave a positive report that the White House was interested, then Edwards got upset when they shut off Paul's communications. Paul was speaking about his private research with Senator Harrison Schmidt and APRO.

Greyer says "...it is also reported that Bennewitz did not want the details of his research disclosed especially in the early days." I wish Greyer had said where it was 'reported', because I never heard that. Paul seemed willing to talk to anyone in my experience.

Paul's private research was Project Beta - a literal alien invasion on planet earth. There is only one story from Moore that Hynek wrote a computer program but there are many that Paul was a genius in his computer instruments. Paul claimed to have the communication in July of 1979 from the Dulce source, we cannot forget that Paul was investigating Dulce privately before Manzano. Here is my source for Paul not wanting his research disclosed, but there are other hints.

"Actually, Jim and Coral were interested in Paul and his investigations. In May of 1980, they called me and said that they would pay for my flight (they did), round-trip Laramie - Albuquerque, to interview Paul and conduct hypnotic procedures with a woman and her son.
Paul was impressed with the information provided by the sessions. I encouraged him and the woman to 'go public' with the information, but they refused. Paul told me to keep quiet about the sessions."

At least Greyer is civil in his comments and seems willing to entertain new information.

I am realizing that there is almost equal evidence to support that this story is not of a civilian scientist establishing proof in the existence of aliens and that it is already very hard to believe aliens would invade our planet, but suggesting that counter intelligence would have played the role to provide such opposing evidence. It would seem that Lt. Colonel Earnest Edwards and others would have seen the true facts.

Greyer, you making the same mistake that you made earlier: Accepting at face value claims that either came directly from the disinformationalists themselves, or the same information as filtered through the more recent crop of Dulce/Bennewitz/Doty researchers.

As Chris Lambright authoritatively noted, your time-line of the Bennewitz/Edwards/Doty connection was flawed, given that it was based on what Bishop et al wrote in the mid-2000s, not on the contents of the original OSI files themselves. Unless I missed it, you have thus far failed to acknowledge your error and, I'm guessing, have not yet read the files Lambright references in his book.

Jeez, for ten bucks you can have the whole, well-researched story, as compiled and documented in X Descending. Do yourself a favor...

But you can have the last word, if you choose to respond to this. I'm outta here. I have real work to do...

Meanwhile, Tommy Blann wrote to me and said:

I saw on the ATS website where there is discussion about the images Paul Bennewitz received on his computer screen. I remember Gabe Valdez showing these images to me in the latter part of April 1981. I have a photo of when he showed these images to me on some Polaroid photos that had been taken off of Paul Bennnewitz's computer screen by Paul.

The Polaroid photos revealed what appeared to be prehistoric scenes of dinosaurs and an image of a reptilian/insect-like creature. My memory is vague on the details of the photos after all these years, but I remember Gabe telling me that he didn't quite know what to make of it but considered it interesting. There seemed to be some indication by Paul that these "aliens" could travel in time thus providing the images to Paul on his computer.

There are good indications at present that this information provided to Paul on his computer screen was disinformation by someone. I am not going to directly point at the United States Air Force as the responsible party, because I do not know and from other information obtained about the Bennewitz-Doty affair there are indications of others involved at the time…

You have my permission to post this on the ATS website if you so desire.

Best Regards,

Tommy R. Blann

Hello Robert thanks for the posts, your research is legendary in my opinion.

About your report on Moore and Doty, UFO Coverup was a show that was like disclosure for me, it seems there were some disinformation details but they admitted about an alien base in the show. Paul knew right away the higher ups were harrassing him and put up with it for 2 years I conclude because after realizing nothing was going to be done he 'released' his information in 1983. The family wouldn't talk about it to Greg but in '89 Paul's son said that his dad being treated for mental difficulties was a rumor. When Paul's son said that I found it interesting to here from Wendelle Stevens the details on how they changed Paul psychologically, which collaborates with an interview I heard from Moore that I cannot find, when he said they put Paul in the hospital 3 times which surprised me to hear. Linda Howe met Earnest Edwards, but during the time Paul was in Dulce she was researching cattle mutilations up north that the police were telling her were being done by 'creatures from outer space,' I believe they were right and we can see how everything ties in together with the cattle mutilations, abductions, an alien underground base in New Mexico, and Dr. Paul Bennewitz.

Paul Bennewitz was arrested on rather ridiculous charges, referred for psychiatric treatment, unnecessarily, but to intimidate him, was found perfectly sane and was released. He was rearrested again and referred for treatment again, until they could make a case that they began to treat him for aberrations, and finally with electric shock treaments so as to derange his memory so that he could no longer recall what he had seen. Here was the owner and operator of a successful electronics manufacturing company that had been reduced to a vegetable, and his son had to take over the company and run it.

Greyer, you're making the same mistake that you made earlier: Accepting at face value claims that either came directly from the disinformationalists themselves, or the same information as filtered through the more recent crop of Dulce/Bennewitz/Doty researchers.

I admit that Wendelle Stevens was a working disinformation agent, 80% of what he said was not true but I believe this was in the 20%. Most of what I say is not the same information, remember Paul wrote in Project Beta that he was investigating Dulce for years before Doty 'showed' him the props on the mountain, this report was made by Paul for the government, I don't think it is a hoaxed document. Moore still doesn't know what to believe of Paul's investigations and accepts the possibility that it could have been alien. I also admit that this is an interest for me it is not research, the reason why I like this story so much is because all of the information hardly makes out to be fitting puzzle pieces which tells me there is a coverup. I may see 20 pieces of disinformation that match but will choose to believe one piece of information matching, not only because of reliable witness testimony but because of a gut feeling which would be considered gullible for this topic but is almost spiritual for me. The testimony of Roswell witnesses and the abductees are too much for me, it makes me believe that something strange was happening by the 4 corners area, and something strange to us could very well mean a secret alien base if these aliens didn't want us to know they were here.

As Chris Lambright authoritatively noted, your time-line of the Bennewitz/Edwards/Doty connection was flawed, given that it was based on what Bishop et al wrote in the mid-2000s, not on the contents of the original OSI files themselves. Unless I missed it, you have thus far failed to acknowledge your error and, I'm guessing, have not yet read the files Lambright references in his book.

Here is what I wrote in my previous post - 'Robert thanks for contacting Chris Lambright, this is very interesting. I agree that Paul was filming UFOs at Kirtland in December of '79 and that Edwards would have all the answers.'

I agreed that Doty could have started the disinformation in January when Chris brought that to my attention and sorry for not making myself more clear, I still go by the Project Beta report which reveals Paul's investigation of Dulce in 1978.

Jeez, for ten bucks you can have the whole, well-researched story, as compiled and documented in X Descending. Do yourself a favor....

Are you turning into someone I highly respected in the beginning of the thread to someone who doesn't listen to my words and just wants to sell me a book? Please don't Robert, the people I believe in this subject are not the ones waving their book around in the air while failing to listen, my interest in the book has now gone down because of that.

when that one lady talks about the voice that sounds like a computer.. clifford stone mentions that as well.

I hear that in dreams. what I hear while I'm awake sounds like murmering... very soft murmering. I hear what sounds like "i love you" a lot... in a tiny soft voice that i can barely hear...softly murmering. it's more like i can feel the tones than hear the words... but it is there often.

i was going to sleep one day and heard... I-S-O-P-T-I-C N-E-R-V-E

It startled me awake. I kept thinking, well what the hell is the isoptic nerve? I never heard of that... i should get up and look that up.

then it occurred to me.

Eye's optic nerve.