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Originally posted by GVALDEZ
reply to post by Imtor
I'll slowly start posting info as I go through my dads stuff. I will leave it up to you to make your own conclusions. Certain things like the crashed aircraft were true. We found evidence of the crash. I'm not saying its alien or military but something crashed. Some portions of the story are true and some are fabricated lies like Mr. Hastings claims. You will be able to make your own decisions once I start adding info
Originally posted by GVALDEZ
You will be able to make your own decisions once I start adding info
Originally posted by Robert Hastings
greyer wrote: "Paul [Bennewitz] setup a special monitoring station in the area and learned that UFOs were all over. Eventually Paul learned how to pick up signals and transfer them into transmissions on a video screen which communicated with the alien video screens. Gabe Valdez witnessed an alien on the screen and said it looked like a reptilian..."
RH: What is the original source of this information? Where did it first appear?
After being contacted by RH last night, Chris Lambright responded to Greyer’s comments above:
Greyer, understandably but unfortunately, is laying down conclusions drawn from what he's read over the years, but without double-checking the fine points on which those conclusions hinge.
Since Edwards clearly told Stone and Ortega (see Edward's 'Briefing transcript log entry') that his first contact with Paul was January of 1980, that answers all claims of when Paul must have contacted the Air Force--and it supports the idea that Paul likely got his films in the mid-December '79 time-frame. Edwards has said that he referred Paul to Doty (or vice-versa) and so I think it's a safe bet that almost immediately after Paul called and spoke with Edwards, Doty was on it.
There are also statements attributed to Doty (I think it's mentioned by Bishop as well) that he visited Paul the first time at his lab, though I don't have a date on that. What I could never figure out, but that I now think is significant, is why there isn't a single document attesting to any meetings or discussion with Paul between January and October/November. There isn't a single document stating exactly when Paul called and spoke with Edwards the first time (except for the 'log entry'). If Edwards was so thorough about documenting his meeting with Stone and Ortega, why is there no log showing his conversation(s) with Paul, or any document reporting when Doty first talked to Paul. Significant by their absence I think, and definitely worked to let people think it happened later in the year.
Greyer says "...it is also reported that Bennewitz did not want the details of his research disclosed especially in the early days." I wish Greyer had said where it was 'reported', because I never heard that. Paul seemed willing to talk to anyone in my experience.
"Actually, Jim and Coral were interested in Paul and his investigations. In May of 1980, they called me and said that they would pay for my flight (they did), round-trip Laramie - Albuquerque, to interview Paul and conduct hypnotic procedures with a woman and her son.
Paul was impressed with the information provided by the sessions. I encouraged him and the woman to 'go public' with the information, but they refused. Paul told me to keep quiet about the sessions."
At least Greyer is civil in his comments and seems willing to entertain new information.
Paul Bennewitz was arrested on rather ridiculous charges, referred for psychiatric treatment, unnecessarily, but to intimidate him, was found perfectly sane and was released. He was rearrested again and referred for treatment again, until they could make a case that they began to treat him for aberrations, and finally with electric shock treaments so as to derange his memory so that he could no longer recall what he had seen. Here was the owner and operator of a successful electronics manufacturing company that had been reduced to a vegetable, and his son had to take over the company and run it.
Greyer, you're making the same mistake that you made earlier: Accepting at face value claims that either came directly from the disinformationalists themselves, or the same information as filtered through the more recent crop of Dulce/Bennewitz/Doty researchers.
As Chris Lambright authoritatively noted, your time-line of the Bennewitz/Edwards/Doty connection was flawed, given that it was based on what Bishop et al wrote in the mid-2000s, not on the contents of the original OSI files themselves. Unless I missed it, you have thus far failed to acknowledge your error and, I'm guessing, have not yet read the files Lambright references in his book.
Jeez, for ten bucks you can have the whole, well-researched story, as compiled and documented in X Descending. Do yourself a favor....
Originally posted by greyer
Hello Robert, sorry for not seeing your question earlier, I wanted to look up some of the interviews to check on my sources. The original source of the reptilian bird alien came when Greg Bishop said to Bill Moore that Gabe Valdez had claimed to have seen. I was surprised to see a picture of the alien from Gabe Valdez in the video High Strange New Mexico.
Originally posted by Imtor
reply to post by greyer
Anyway you mention that you saw the photos of these alleged aliens within the video. Mind pointing out where you saw that? The second half of the video starts with DRAWINGS (not photo) of a reptile and in some other talk about Arcturians, they show a blurry picture, again nothing of interest. So please show that picture, even if fake, I want to feel it.
the second half started becoming a little more interesting, though I think the Underground Reality and the death of Phil Schneider was actually a very good one unlike this one, the current one being about a bunch of gullible believers and wild claims of abduction by completely random ones.
The United States was testing their first atomic powered spaceship in 1979 at "Network" headquarters, Dulce New Mexico, when they were given the first shipment of beam weapons from the aliens. They found out that the bargained for beam weapons could only be operated by the aliens themselves. They also found out in 1979 that the advanced beam weapon technology could not be used against the aliens in case of need. The government objected to the handicaps put on the weapons, arguing that this was not part of the deal. The aliens replied that if the U.S. were ever under attack by anyone that they would man the beam weapons and help out in the fight. Later, as the atomic powered spaceship was in flight it crashed at Archuleta Mesa, and the aliens suspected sabotage because of the beam weapon problem. The incidents almost led to a total war between the U.S. and the aliens. An Alpha team was sent in to try to free the scientists but after sustaining a heavy losses were able to free only 44 while 66 scientists perished in the battle, and the base remained under the control of the Grays.Dulce was closed for a period of time after that, maybe about two years. - Alien Digest