Since greyer has not yet responded to my last post, I will go ahead and post a response to his comments on this thread by Chris Lambright, author of
the new, well-researched book, X Descending:
"Paul [Bennewitz] setup a special monitoring station in the area and learned that UFOs were all over. Eventually Paul learned how to pick up signals
and transfer them into transmissions on a video screen which communicated with the alien video screens. Gabe Valdez witnessed an alien on the screen
and said it looked like a reptilian. Paul's descriptions of aliens do in fact reflect tall reptilian/insectiods along with short and tall greys as the
Thomas Castello myth. The reason why then head of security at Manzano Lt. Colonel Earnest Edwards got upset when the White House lied to him about
following up on the report is because he had some kind of close encounter experience with Paul and most likely saw the video screen. Very interesting
that Christian Lambright said Paul was upset after meeting with John Lear, maybe those Dulce paper drawings are really from Myrna Hansen."
RH wrote in response:
Sorry, greyer, this is all nonsense--part of the myth. I am one of the few persons who investigated the facts in the 1980s, interviewing Bennewitz,
Valdez, Howe, and others in the process. The real story of Bennewitz and Dulce is found in Lambright's book, X Descending. He and I independently
uncovered the truth years ago.
Pilkington, Bishop and Redfern are only the latest investigators to be duped by OSI agent Richard Doty's disinformation, which I first exposed in
March 1989. As the old saying goes, "Those unfamiliar with the past are condemned to repeat it."
Greyer then responded:
Hello Robert, thank you I appreciate the research, very interesting that you have interviewed Bennewitz. I don't know why Valdez would be lying and I
believe him, it is also reported that Bennewitz did not want the details of his research disclosed especially in the early days. It is said in your
“After Bennewitz approached USAF commanders at Kirtland with his films, and subsequently began giving interviews about his sightings at Manzano to
ufologists and the press, OSI agent Richard Doty was secretly ordered to neutralize his testimony and evidence through the use of dirty tricks,
including providing Bennewitz with forged documents and other bogus information about U.S. government-sanctioned alien operations near Kirtland, and
other bizarre subjects—which he was encouraged to publicize—in an effort to undercut his credibility with the media and the public. Bennewitz was
also told that aliens were monitoring his own activities and, as a result, he began wearing a sidearm at home.”
In Greg Bishop's Project Beta it is reported that on June 3rd, 1980 Bennewitz was wearing a sidearm at home because he believed aliens were monitoring
his activities. Paul Bennewitz contacted Kirtland about the Manzano UFOs on October 24th 1980 and Richard Doty first went to his house two days after,
which is when the 'disinformation agents' became involved, before Bennewitz approached USAF commanders at Kirtland. I [have] often seen that the dates
get overlooked on many aspects of this case, making it easier for people to believe the product of counter intelligence in my opinion - a
disinformation campaign on us not Bennewitz.
After being contacted by RH last night, Chris Lambright responded to Greyer’s comments above:
Greyer, understandably but unfortunately, is laying down conclusions drawn from what he's read over the years, but without double-checking the fine
points on which those conclusions hinge.
As an example, he cites Bishop's book as his way to cite what is in the 1980 AFOSI documents, rather than reading the documents for what is actually
there. If he had read the documents carefully, he would see that there is nothing in them stating that the first time anyone spoke to Paul was in the
October of 1980. The AFOSI document(s) mention Paul, but never actually say when Paul first called the base.
The documents introduce a lot of things supposedly happening in the Aug-Nov period, and everyone has simply assumed that Doty and Miller went to visit
Paul as a result of Paul's first contact. But that's not what that document is about. I suppose it wasn't AFOSI's job to correct an assumption that
worked to their advantage.
Since Edwards clearly told Stone and Ortega (see Edward's 'Briefing transcript log entry') that his first contact with Paul was January of 1980, that
answers all claims of when Paul must have contacted the Air Force--and it supports the idea that Paul likely got his films in the mid-December '79
time-frame. Edwards has said that he referred Paul to Doty (or vice-versa) and so I think it's a safe bet that almost immediately after Paul called
and spoke with Edwards, Doty was on it.
There are also statements attributed to Doty (I think it's mentioned by Bishop as well) that he visited Paul the first time at his lab, though I don't
have a date on that. What I could never figure out, but that I now think is significant, is why there isn't a single document attesting to any
meetings or discussion with Paul between January and October/November. There isn't a single document stating exactly when Paul called and spoke with
Edwards the first time (except for the 'log entry'). If Edwards was so thorough about documenting his meeting with Stone and Ortega, why is there no
log showing his conversation(s) with Paul, or any document reporting when Doty first talked to Paul. Significant by their absence I think, and
definitely worked to let people think it happened later in the year.
As for reptilian aliens on computer screens, I'm fairly sure, based on what I've been told, that Paul was getting some bizarre things on his computer.
My friend Tom Blann apparently saw some pictures that Paul had given to Gabe Valdez of images he got off the computer screen. I personally never saw,
and certainly was never sent, any pictures like that by Paul or anyone else, and I don't recall ever discussing them with Paul. Then again, wasn't
that the computer supposedly 'given' to Paul by the Air Force (thru Hynek) with software to 'facilitate communication with aliens'? I suspect it
facilitated it a lot!
Greyer says "...it is also reported that Bennewitz did not want the details of his research disclosed especially in the early days." I wish Greyer had
said where it was 'reported', because I never heard that. Paul seemed willing to talk to anyone in my experience. However, there are indications, in
Bishop's book and elsewhere, that Paul himself became suspicious of some of what was going on, to the point of distrusting AFOSI and perhaps Doty et
al. Maybe Paul preferred not to have this 'research' disclosed because he began to suspect the computer generated images were not so 'alien' after
all...but that's just [speculation on my part].
It seems to me that we do have evidence that AFOSI counterintelligence was coming up with material they hoped they could feed to Paul and have him
spread it around (e.g. the NSA telex), so maybe they were also hoping he would spread around images he was getting off his computer screen, further
diminishing his credibility. All I can say is that he never sent me any such bizarre images, and they never factored into our conversations, at least
not in any way to be memorable.
At least Greyer is civil in his comments and seems willing to entertain new information. It's things like 'Mirage Men' that aggravate me the most--an
alleged 'documentary' by two guys who I would have thought would know better. One of them replied to me they don't necessarily accept everything Doty
says, and yet they're sure putting him out front as if he lends support to their premise. I wonder if they ever heard the saying, "When you dance with
the devil, the devil doesn't change...the devil changes you."
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