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What does in God’s image mean? He created Adam & Eve without a moral sense.

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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Redevilfan09
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Im not saying I dont believe in god, but the god in the bible sounds like a dictator.


Jesus the God of the bible... he left us and took off.

what does that tell you?

Dictators hang around, we have a few real-life ones hanging around now... most reside in the Middle East presently.




posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Redevilfan09
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The biblical god, yes. The Sumerian side seems a lot closer to the truth and with what they knew about the galaxy, they have a pretty good case also.


You're spamming, once is enough.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Redevilfan09
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Yeah maybe, but there are older texts than the bible as well and some say that the bible is just a modernised version of the older ones which point to ETs. Even those texts could be BS. The truth is we are here and we may never know the real truth.


that's cool... when you look into it you may discover it is all one long song of language, we've just improved upon it and made it more efficient along the way.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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You asked for it.
BIBLE MORALITY (King James Version)
Compiled by Barbara G. Walker, author of Man Made God, et al.

1. KILLING. (As in "Thou shalt not"...???)
The biblical god personally kills a total of 371,186 people, not counting his slaughter of every living thing in Genesis 7.

The biblical god also orders the killing of a total of 1,862,265.

Gen 22:2 - God accepts human sacrifices (including that of Jesus, later).
Ex 12:29 - God kills all the firstborn in the land of Egypt.
Ex 15:3 - God is a god of war.
Ex 21:15, 17 - Anyone who strikes or curses a parent must be killed.
Ex 22:18 - Every witch must be killed.
Ex 22:19, 20 - You must kill anyone who "lieth with a beast," or who worships any god other than Yahweh.
Ex 31:15 - Anyone who works on the Sabbath must be killed.
Lev 20:10, 13, 27 - You must kill adulterers, homosexuals, wizards and spirit mediums.
Lev 21:9 - Any priest's daughter who fornicates must be burned alive.
Lev 24:16 - Blasphemers must be killed.
Num 16:27-33 - God caused the whole tribe of Korah -- men, women, and children -- to be buried alive.
Num 21:3 - God caused the destruction of all the Canaanites.
Num 31:7-35 - God orders Moses to kill the Midianites, making sure to slaughter not only the men but also the boys and

females, except for the 32,000 virgin girls.
Deut 3:4 - God is pleased that his warriors destroyed 60 cities.
Deut 7:16 - You must kill all the people God delivers into your hands, and "thine eye shall have no pity upon them."
Deut 13:5 - Any prophet or "dreamer of dreams," who serves another god, must be killed.
Deut 13:6-9 - If your brother, son, daughter, wife, or friend tempts you to worship other gods, "thou shalt surely kill him."
Deut 13:13-15 - If the people of any city worship other gods, you must slaughter them all, including their cattle.
Deut 17:5 - Any man or woman who worships other deities of sun, moon or stars must be stoned to death.
Deut 18:20 - False prophets must be killed.
Deut 20:16-17 - God commands complete destruction of all Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites,

and "thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth."
Deut 22:21 - A bride found not to be a virgin must be stoned to death.
Deut 22:22 - Adulterers must be killed.
Deut 22:23-24 - A girl who is raped within city limits, and fails to cry out, must be killed.
Deut 28:22-28 - If you don't obey God's commandments, he will punish you with consumption, fever, extreme burning, blasting,

mildew, hemorrhoids, the scab, the itch, the botch of Egypt, etc., as well as "madness, and blindness, and astonishment of

heart."
Josh 6:21 - God's warriors destroyed Jericho and killed every man, woman, child, and domestic animal.
Josh 8:25 - God's warriors killed 12,000 people in the city of Ai.
Josh 19:47 - The children of Dan wanted more room, so they destroyed the whole population of Leshen and took their territory.
Judges 1:17-18 - Judah and Simeon utterly destroyed the populations of Zephath, Gaza, Askelon and Ekron.
Judges 11:39 - In accord with God's law, Jephthah was forced to burn his virgin daughter to death as a sacrifice.
Judges 15:15 - God enables Samson to kill 1,000 men with the jawbone of an ass.
Judges 20:46 - At Gibeah, Benjamin's men killed 25,000 people and burned every town.
1 Sam 6:19 - God kills 50,070 people for trying to peek into the Ark.
1 Sam 15:3 - God commands the destruction of Amalek: "Slay both men and women, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and

ass."
2 Sam 6:7 - God kills Uzzah for touching the Ark, even though he was trying to save it from falling off its oxcart.
1 Kings 18:40 - God commands the slaughter of "prophets of Baal".
1 Kings 20:36 - Because a man didn't "obey the voice of the Lord," a lion was sent to kill him.
2 Kings 2:24 - God sent bears to tear apart 42 children for making fun of Elisha's bald head.
2 Kings 10:25 - God commands the killing of a multitude in the temple of Baal.
2 Kings 19:35 - God's angel killed 185,000 Assyrians in a single night.
1 Chron 21:14 - God kills 70,000 Israelites with a pestilence.
2 Chron 15:13 - Any man or woman who refuses to "seek the Lord God of Israel" must be killed.
Job 1:15-19 - God arranges the killing of Job's children, servants and animals.
Isa 13:16 - God promises that all the Babylonians' children will be "dashed to pieces before their eyes;" their wives will be

raped.
Isa 45:7 - God says "I create evil."
Jer 48:10 - Killing for God is mandatory; God curses anyone who "keepeth back his sword from blood."
Jer 50:21 - God commands that the people of Merathaim and Pekod be "utterly destroyed."
Ezek 9:5-7 - God calls for purging in Jerusalem: "let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: slay utterly old and young,

both maids and little children, and women... fill the courts with the slain."
Ezek 35:8 - God promises to fill the mountains, hills, valleys and rivers with slain men.
Hosea 13:16 - God promises to have Samaritan infants dashed to pieces, and pregnant women will have their bellies slashed

open.
Nahum 1:2 - God is jealous, full of vengeance and wrath.
Zeph 1:3 - God threatens to destroy everything, man and beast, birds and fishes.
Zeph 1:18 - "The whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy."
Zeph 3:6 - God brags that he has destroyed many nations.
Zech 13:3 - A false prophet must be killed by his father and mother.

2. RAPE
Ex 21:7-8 - A father may sell his daughter to be a "maidservant" (or sex slave) who must "please her master."
Num 31:7, 18 - God orders his warriors to kill every living thing in a captured city, except the virgin girls, who are to be

raped and turned into sex slaves.
Deut 21:11-12 - If a warrior likes the look of a female war captive, he can take her to be one of his "wives."
Deut 22:28-29 - A man who rapes a virgin may take her for a wife if he pays her father 50 shekels of silver. (Yet, a bride

found not to be a virgin must be stoned to death - Deut 22:20-21).
Judges 5:30 - The spoils of war include "a damsel or two" for every man.
Judges 21:12-23 - God's warriors killed all the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead except for 400 virgin girls, who were taken as

slaves. If there are not enough girls to go around, God's warriors may raid neighboring towns for more to rape.

3. SLAVERY
Gen 9:25 - God cursed Ham, son of Noah, with perpetual slavery for the crime of seeing his father naked. (Ham was formerly

considered the ancestor of all "blacks.")
Ex 21:4 - A male slave may marry and have children, and may go free after six years; but his family remains the property (or

hostages?) of his master.
Ex 21:7 - A man may sell his daughter as a sex slave.
Ex 21:20-21 - A man may be punished for beating a male or female slave
to death, but if the victim survives the beating for a few days, then
there is no penalty.
Lev 19:20 - When a man has sex with a female slave (or "bondmaid"), SHE must be scourged.
Eph 6:5 - Paul says slaves must obey their masters "with fear and trembling."
Titus 2:9 - Paul says slaves must obey and please their masters.
1 Tim 6:1 - Paul says slaves must "count their masters worthy of all honor."

4. WAS JESUS ETHICAL?
Matt 5:28-32 - Jesus says marriage to a divorcee is adultery; and a man who ogles a woman has already committed adultery; and

that you must cut off your hand or pluck out your eye if it offends.
Matt 6:19-34 - Jesus says don't save any money and don't plan ahead.
Matt 8:32 - Having no regard for private property, Jesus destroys a herd of someone else's pigs.
Matt 10:34 - Jesus says he brings not peace on earth but "a sword."
Matt 19:12 - Jesus says the best way for a man to be sure of getting into heaven is to have himself castrated.
Mark 11:13 - Jesus destroys a fig tree for not bearing figs out of season.
Mark 14:4-7 - Jesus says it is more important to anoint him with precious ointment than to give to the poor, who will always

be here. (Why not just get rid of poverty?)
Mark 16:18 - Jesus says anyone who believes in him can play with venomous snakes or drink poison without harm. (This act has

been often tried, with rather unsatisfactory results.)
Luke 12:47-48 - Jesus says it is permissible to whip slaves.
Luke 14:26 - Jesus says no man can be his disciple unless he hates his parents, siblings, wife, children, and himself as

well.
Luke 19:27 - In telling a parable, Jesus insinuates that anyone who denies his rulership must be killed.
John 15:6 - Jesus says anyone who doesn't believe in him must be burned.
Acts 5:5-10 - Ananias and his wife Sapphira were killed for withholding money from the church.
2 John 1:10-11 - A Christian is forbidden to offer hospitality to a non-Christian, not even to wish him "Godspeed" on

parting.

5. WOMEN IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
1 Cor 11:3-10 - Women are inferior "because man was not created for woman, but woman was created for man." Every woman

"while praying or prophesying" must have her head covered "because of the angels," meaning the spirits (it used to be

believed that women's hair attracts spirits).
1 Cor 14:34-35 - Women must not speak in church, which is a shame for them to do. If they want to ask questions, they must

learn from their husbands at home.
Eph 5:22 - Wives must submit to their husbands as they would to God.
1 Tim 2:11-15 - A woman must not teach, or hold authority over a man, but must "learn in silence with all subjection,"

because "Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (So, being gullible is the original

sin.)
1 Tim 5:9 - Paul says the only women acceptable by the council of elders are devout, monogamous women over the age of sixty.

6. SILLINESS
Gen 1:11-19 - God made all green plants on the third day of creation, but neglected to supply the sun (on which both plants

and "days" depend) until the fourth day.
Gen 6:6-7 - Because a few people displeased him, God "repented" having made the world, and decided to destroy all life on

earth.
Lev 11:5-6 - God thinks rabbits are cud-chewing animals.
Deut 22:5 - All cross-dressers, or women who wear pants, are "abominations."
Deut 25:11-12 - A woman who seizes a man's genitals, even to defend her husband from an attacker, must have her hand cut off.
Deut 33:17 - God believes in unicorns.
Matt 5:22 - Jesus says anyone who calls another "fool" will go to hell, but then he does it himself (Matt 23:17).
1 Tim 2:9 - Christian women are forbidden to braid their hair or wear jewelry.
James 5:14-15 - Prayer by the elders of the church is the only sure cure for sickness.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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ET's do not exist. They are EDs. "Extra-dimensional" entities. The two greatest researchers and authorities the world has ever known on the subject, DRs J. Alan Hynak and Jacques Valle both assert these entities and phenomenon are extra-dimensional and "demonic". Their words, not mine. And neither of these men are Christians nor do they believe in the God of the Bible.

Christian bias cannot be claimed as a rebuttal.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 07:57 PM
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Fail from the start. The commandment says " Thou shalt not MURDER". It doesn't say kill. And besides that, those numbers are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too small. God commands the soul of every person who has ever died except two, Enoch and Elijah.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
ET's do not exist. They are EDs. "Extra-dimensional" entities. The two greatest researchers and authorities the world has ever known on the subject, DRs J. Alan Hynak and Jacques Valle both assert these entities and phenomenon are extra-dimensional and "demonic". Their words, not mine. And neither of these men are Christians nor do they believe in the God of the Bible.

Christian bias cannot be claimed as a rebuttal.


there is a extremely large possibility that life in the universe does exist... actually we can know it does now, we're looking at planets going around other stars at this point.

are they here and terrestrial coming here to slaughter cows and perform experiments on humans? Highly unlikely because if some aliens could get here ww would most likely be annihilated, or enslaved.
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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
He created man with sovereignty over the Earth.


Some job they're doing too. If man was created from god's image then god must be a really #ty guy/entity/thing.

I really feel sorry for you guy. Every one of your posts is packed with stuff that I suppose you got from "speaking to god" or something. Personally, I think you are mentally insane in a really bad way.

I say crazy stuff too sometimes, but I don't present it like I am in possession of some divine knowledge. Cut the crap, everybody knows you're just a guy.
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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by RSF77

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
He created man with sovereignty over the Earth.


Some job they're doing too.


exactly... we have not been allowed to join the Federation of Planets yet!

en.wikipedia.org...

conservatives and liberals united in their diversity...

post-capitalist liberal democracy and constitutional republic


Liberals must understand that it is the Conservatives nature which provides stability for their liberal freaky deek to come out!



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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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I guess then your question is: Was the Israelite genocide of the Caananites murder? Would you consider war and genocide murder now? Are Islamic extremists, or the crusading (Bush's words not mine) US army justified when they commit genocide today?



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
ET's do not exist. They are EDs. "Extra-dimensional" entities. The two greatest researchers and authorities the world has ever known on the subject, DRs J. Alan Hynak and Jacques Valle both assert these entities and phenomenon are extra-dimensional and "demonic". Their words, not mine. And neither of these men are Christians nor do they believe in the God of the Bible.

Christian bias cannot be claimed as a rebuttal.


there is a extremely large possibility that life in the universe does exist... actually we can know it does now, we're looking at planets going around other stars at this point.

are they here and terrestrial coming here to slaughter cows and perform experiments on humans? Highly unlikely because if some aliens could get here ww would most likely be annihilated, or enslaved.


You might be misunderstanding me. I'm not denying the phenomena. I'm rejecting the current rationalization for that phenomena. And I'm appealing to the two greatest authorities on the subject the world has ever known. Drs. Jacques Valle and J. Alan Hynek. I'm also pre-invalidating the debunker's claims of 'Christian bias'.

These two men aren't Christians and aren't believers in the God of the Bible.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Buddha1098
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I guess then your question is: Was the Israelite genocide of the Caananites murder?



That depends if those folks were human or not. (Genesis 6)


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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by RSF77

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
He created man with sovereignty over the Earth.


Some job they're doing too. If man was created from god's image then god must be a really #ty guy/entity/thing.


Read 'sovereignty of man' as "free will". Your attempt at a rebuttal actually confirmed what I said. We're created with the free will to choose good or evil. We were not created robots.



I really feel sorry for you guy.


Don't, I'm not running for office, I don't need votes.


Every one of your posts is packed with stuff that I suppose you got from "speaking to god" or something.


For one, I highly doubt you've read "every one" of my almost 10K posts, that's a lie, and second, I've never said I received any information from 'speaking to God', straw man fallacy.


Personally, I think you are mentally insane in a really bad way.


Where did you get your degree in Psychology?


I say crazy stuff too sometimes, but I don't present it like I am in possession of some divine knowledge. Cut the crap, everybody knows you're just a guy.


I am a guy,.. brilliant deduction.

Take care now.


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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide

Originally posted by Redevilfan09
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Im not saying I dont believe in god, but the god in the bible sounds like a dictator.


Jesus the God of the bible... he left us and took off.

what does that tell you?

Dictators hang around, we have a few real-life ones hanging around now... most reside in the Middle East presently.


Well Jesus promised that he would return. And God has never left or forsaken us. Followers of Christ are filled with the Holy Spirit.

I think its unfair to say Jesus' just "took off", that is not quite an accurate picture.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Read 'sovereignty of man' as "free will". Your attempt at a rebuttal actually confirmed what I said. We're created with the free will to choose good or evil. We were not created robots.


So god does not have free will or is that exclusive to us? Or do you even know where we are going with this? Remember this whole thread is about us being created in gods image, whatever that means.

I suppose that means god has the ability to choose between good and evil too huh? How do you know your god isn't actually evil and deceiving you? If he is so omnipotent obviously hes a lot smarter than you and already knows what you're thinking.

What is your answer to that? What if your god (assuming he exists) is fooling you with all his omnipotence?

You refuse to question that. You are naive.


Originally posted by NOTurTypical
For one, I highly doubt you've read "every one" of my almost 10K posts, that's a lie, and second, I've never said I received any information from 'speaking to God', straw man fallacy.


Who cares how many posts you have, I don't. I've read enough of them.


You speak as if you imply that, doesn't take a genius to see that. There is no straw man fallacy, if you even know what that means, use some common sense. You just said something about extradimensional beings:


Originally posted by NOTurTypical
ET's do not exist. They are EDs. "Extra-dimensional" entities. The two greatest researchers and authorities the world has ever known on the subject, DRs J. Alan Hynak and Jacques Valle both assert these entities and phenomenon are extra-dimensional and "demonic". Their words, not mine. And neither of these men are Christians nor do they believe in the God of the Bible.


And now you're trying to tell me I'm committing a fallacy. So if you aren't "speaking to god", just where are you getting all this great inside info from? Don't tell me... the bible?

My point is you're basically making up whatever you want to support your religious view. I know you know this.


Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Where did you get your degree in Psychology?


Not going to tell you.


Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I am a guy,.. brilliant deduction.

Take care now.


Really? I could of sworn you were the second reincarnation of jesus christ by the way you talk?

My whole point in this is:

Stop acting like you know what you are talking about, because you don't. You are just another human, there is nothing special about you. Your belief in fairy tales doesn't make you better than anyone else.
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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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So god does not have free will or is that exclusive to us? Or do you even know where we are going with this? Remember this whole thread is about us being created in gods image, whatever that means.


I remember, you only quoted half of my reply. What else did I say in response to op?



You refuse to question that. You are naive.


I didn't come out of the womb with a Bible in my hand. I've only been a believer for about a decade now. Questioning my upbringing, public education, worldview and presuppositions is how I've arrived at the beliefs I have today.


Who cares how many posts you have, I don't. I've read enough of them.


Irrelevant. You said "every one" of my posts, I'm calling you out, that statement was a lie. You've not read "every one" of my posts.


You speak as if you imply that, doesn't take a genius to see that. There is no straw man fallacy, if you even know what that means, use some common sense. You just said something about extradimensional beings:


Implication isn't a direct quote. You need to learn what a straw man is. You simply cannot invent something someone said then attack the quote you yourself made up.




Originally posted by NOTurTypical
ET's do not exist. They are EDs. "Extra-dimensional" entities. The two greatest researchers and authorities the world has ever known on the subject, DRs J. Alan Hynak and Jacques Valle both assert these entities and phenomenon are extra-dimensional and "demonic". Their words, not mine. And neither of these men are Christians nor do they believe in the God of the Bible.



And now you're trying to tell me I'm committing a fallacy. So if you aren't "speaking to god", just where are you getting all this great inside info from? Don't tell me... the bible?


I said where it came from, can't you read? "Drs. Jacques Valle, and J. Alan Hynak." The world's leading experts in the field of UFOlogy. And these men are not Christians nor believers in the God of the Bible.

So why would you ask where this info came from or ask if it came from the "Bible".



My point is you're basically making up whatever you want to support your religious view. I know you know this.


No, you can't read, it's pretty obvious. You've misquoted me, straw manned me, told a lie, and asked questions that have already been answered.


Not going to tell you.


I already know, it was hyperbole.


Really? I could of sworn you were the second reincarnation of jesus christ by the way you talk?


Quote?


My whole point in this is:


Finally!


Stop acting like you know what you are talking about, because you don't.


Again, I punted to the world's foremost experts in the field, and ones who aren't Christians or believers in God.

You cannot claim "Christian bias".


You are just another human, there is nothing special about you.


Yep, I even agreed with that above. Never claimed to be anything other than "a guy". I'm human, I could be wrong though you're the 'professional' here remember?


Your belief in fairy tales doesn't make you better than anyone else.


Straw manning again, never claimed to be better than anyone else.

/facepalm



If you have a problem with what Valle or Hynak said take it up with them. You'll need a medium to talk to Hynak though, good luck.


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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 10:45 PM
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hey NT... I know I was just backtracking and giving my information on ET's

Life in the universe I think we are told something about that in the good Book and science is surely proven just that.

when I was watching Carl Sagan it was an amazing thing for him to say that since we are one successful path to how life arises in the universe. He never added that to how we do the math for how many inhabitable planets are out there (literally billions) so I say you apply that math to the method in which life arises as we know of one (our own) then if we find life out there (in our time) it may be strikingly similar to our very own...


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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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Check your inbox in 5.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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understandable... I read that Jesus said he will be with us unto the end of the world...

I was using the analogy to express my discontent with dictators (which Jesus is not)

we 'live' here, we can not let down all defenses...


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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 10:55 PM
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Wow, you are just incapable of answering my questions huh?

Your entire post is an exercise in inflating your ego. The only possible way of defending your belief is twisted semantics and complication.

I guess you would rather have a debate that goes along the lines of "define: know".
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