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Michigan Outlaws Pig Farming

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posted on Apr, 1 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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As long as you have them in a pen (even a portable pen), then the law doesn't apply, as far as I can see.


I keep hearing this but cannot find anywhere in the law that pens are mentioned much less domestic hogs defined period! Perhaps I missed it and you could post the quote and cite of where it says that?

What is defined is the criteria the government can use to declare any pig on any farm as feral and that is as little as a single trait such as the tips of hair being the wrong color can allow them to declare it a feral strain. Of course they do not even define what colors. They make no distinction of free range pigs vs being penned or fenced etc. The law is vague and open ended except in allowing them to do pretty much what ever they want....

Their is already a law that any pig feral or domestic that gets loose and is causing damage can be shot on sight so there is really no point to this law except to stamp out competition from family farms in favor of factory farms.


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posted on Apr, 2 2012 @ 11:09 PM
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Originally posted by hawkiye

I keep hearing this but cannot find anywhere in the law that pens are mentioned much less domestic hogs defined period! Perhaps I missed it and you could post the quote and cite of where it says that?



I was just going by the headlines etc.; I'm not from Michigan and don't know squat about how it's done there. I prefaced my remarks with "as far as I can see," because I didn't have a huge amount of confidence in my opinion.

Where I live the bias is AGAINST big agribiz; i.e., you aren't regulated as a feedlot unless you have more than 500 animals.

Which means that if you are a big corp, you have to build a sewage treatment plant. So big foreign owned companies pay local families to raise 499 hogs, and sell them the finished hogs.
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posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by HauntWok
You know, they do have wild pigs in Michigan. They are an invasive species. And seriously, if you are that desperate for bacon, you can go pig hunting.

HOG WILD: Wild pig problem growing in Michigan




Wild boars, feral hogs, savage swines — it doesn’t matter what they’re called.

They are pigs gone wild and they’re taking root in Oakland County.

“I have spoken to people during bow hunting season this last fall who have actually happened across some in the Highland rec area,” said state Sen. Mike Kowall, R-White Lake. “They are close to home — that’s basically my backyard.”

The idea that feral pigs are finding their way into the county isn’t far-fetched, surprising or even new — in March 2009, a feral pig wandered through downtown Detroit and made its way into the yard of a family in Warren.


To be honest, the pigs that wandered through Detroit, probably didn't last too long before being mugged repeatedly, shot, tagged with graffiti, and hit by several cars thumping rap music.

We brought em to this continent and they got loose, now there's a problem. I live in Florida, and my boss hit a wild pig on the way to work, the gore from the accident was horrendous. So, there is another side to this.

There's also this: Wild pigs may have dangerous parasites and diseases, and if you think that a wild pig can't infect a domestic pig, you seriously underestimate sexuality among hogs.

So while you are whining about "da gobermint takin control of yer fud" there might actually be a good reason for this.
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You can't be serious. A good reason to go on someone's personal farm where they grow pigs in accordance to the USDA regulations and the regulations of the state, then arrest them as a FELON and kill all their pigs???? How in God's name is this a good thing. I can see going out into the wild and killing feral hogs, maybe. But a personal farm and destroying someone's livelihood? That's never a good thing. our holocaust has started, and we are a witness to it. Michigan Civil Rights Violation Here are "characteristics" that are an invasive species...




1) Bristle-tip coloration: exhibit bristle tips that are lighter in color (e.g., white, cream, or buff) than the rest of the hair shaft.
2) Dark point coloration: exhibits "points" (i.e., distal portions of the snout, ears, legs, and tail) that are dark brown to black in coloration, and lack light-colored tips on the bristles.
3) Coat coloration: exhibit a number of coat coloration patterns: solid black, solid red / brown, black and white spotted, black and red / brown spotted.
4) Underfur: exhibit the presence of underfur that is lighter in color (e.g., smoke gray to brown) than the overlying dark brown to black bristles/guard hairs.
5) Juvenile coat pattern: exhibit striped coat patterns -- a light grayish-tan to brown base coat, with a dark brown to black spinal stripe and three to four brown irregular longitudinal stripes with dark margins along the length of the body.
6) Skeletal appearance: Structures include skull morphology, dorsal profile, and external body measurements including tail length, head-body length, hind foot length, ear length, snout length, and shoulder height.
7) Tail structure: Straight tails.
8) Ear structure: Erect ear structure.
9) "Other characteristics not currently known to the MDNR that are identified by the scientific community."



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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Some new stories on Drudge today

www.naturalnews.com...


(NaturalNews) NaturalNews can now confirm that the Michigan Department of Natural Resources has, in total violation of the Fourth Amendment, conducted two armed raids on pig farmers in that state, one in Kalkaska County at Fife Lake and another in Cheboygan County. Staging raids involving six vehicles and ten armed men, DNA conducted unconstitutional, illegal and arguably criminal armed raids on these two farms with the intent of shooting all the farmers' pigs under a bizarre new "Invasive Species Order" (ISO) that has suddenly declared traditional livestock to be an invasive species.

See our previous report on this subject at:
www.naturalnews.com...

And hear my interview with Mark Baker, who runs one of the farms to be targeted by the Michigan government, at:
tv.naturalnews.com...

The ISO also deems farmers who raise these pigs to be felons, and DNR officials were ready to make arrests on the scene and haul away these farmers to be prosecuted as hardened criminals.

Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...


www.naturalnews.com...


Farmer forced to shoot his own baby piglets in cold blood

"I think this is an unconstitutional order, these actions of the DNR are way out of bounds," attorney Joseph O'Leary told NaturalNews in an interview today. He is representing one of the farmers who was targeted in these raids. "To take what was six months ago an entirely legal activity, and suddenly people are felons over it. They're not growing drugs, running guns or killing anybody, they're raising animals pursuant to USDA regulations and state of Michigan regulations. They haven't done anything wrong here, and the DNR is treating them like they are hardened criminals."

In anticipation of the DNR arriving on the scene, one farmer engaged in what can only be described as a heart-wrenching task of shooting his own pigs, one by one, including baby piglets before the DNR arrived. This was to avoid being arrested as a felon. His livelihood is now completely destroyed, as the state of Michigan has put him out of business. Even after this farmer informed the DNR that he had destroyed his entire herd of pigs, the DNR continued to illegally acquire a search warrant by providing false information to a court Judge, then conducting an armed raid on his ranch to verify that the entire herd of pigs had indeed already been shot to death. That this took place satisfied the DNR, which is now showing itself to be engaged in the mob-style destruction of targeted farming businesses through its mass-murder agenda of Michigan's small-scale farm pigs.

"It was very traumatic for him. These guys are farmers, and I know how much he cared for the animals there, and the DNR treats these like they're some kind of a plant that needs to be exterminated rather than animals that people care about," said O'Leary.

One of the raids targeted Ron McKendrick of Renegade Ranch in Cheboygan County. His ranch was raided on Saturday morning, and DNR agents reportedly conducted an interrogation of his customers and his 75-year-old senior citizen employee. In order to gain access to his property, DNR bureaucrats acquired a temporary restraining order which was used to bully their way onto the property (a violation of the Fourth Amendment).

Another raid was conducted against the farm of Dave Tuxberry. He's the man who was forced to shoot all his own pigs before DNR agents arrived, in order to avoid being arrested as a felon.


Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Isn't Michigan the most corrupt state in the USA?

And the Democrats there are being trampled over with Republicans forcing through laws illegally, without the required votes.

Seriously, if what I have seen is factually correct (and there is evidence to show it) Michigan is a dictatorship already. They are forcing through laws under emergency legislative powers, and they are not even counting the votes.
This is just another example of the Republican dictatorship there crushing the little guys in favor of their corporate buddies.

I'll bet you anything you like there is a large pig farmer making a few million out of destroying all that competition.



posted on Apr, 16 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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I lived there most of my life. Left two years ago.

Gov Granholm was doing horrible things to small biz and the citizens in general. They had a special small biz tax that was killing small biz.

The cops will catch you for some minor thing and shake you down for months. Like CA they need the money to continue the Gov. Uhauls constantly leaving, none coming back. Special charge to pay to return the thing back to the state. Houses all empty, abandoned. Last one out, turn out the lights.

I don't think it will ever be livable again.


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posted on Apr, 17 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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If these pigs were migrant workers and the cops were raiding the farms to round up the Mexicans, you'd all feel the same, right? It would be the farmer's right to hire whom they want, right?

How many blown out or proportion threads of this do we need?

Being silly with an example, what if what the farmers claim to be pigs but are tigers that the farmers put pink snouts on, you'd be all for the farmers and it would swine profiling... right? That there was no warrant, no anything and no need for probable cause.

As a hunter, I know the damage that the breed has done to our resources.


Derek



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