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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by IgnorantSpecies
 


No, but intentional spraying does not form clouds, and does not fall into your definition of “chemtrails”.
So they are real.
We are not talking about contrails or 'intentional spraying'.

Chemtrails does not explain why, but what.
And the what is real.

That is all I am saying.




posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:05 AM
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Its just a normal human response,
a snail does not leave a snail trail
it is just a line in the sand.
Unless you want to cross that line,
in the sand and call it a
snail trail.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:06 AM
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reply to post by IgnorantSpecies
 


From your own definition:

Chemtrails [kem-tray-els]
Noun
1. Fumes, vapours, chemicals, substances or agents which are sprayed or left by an aircraft in the air which do not evaporate immediately or form clouds.


Agricultural spraying, aerial firefighting, cloud seeding, and electronic counter measures DO NOT PRODUCE CLOUDS, and are therefore NOT CHEMTRAILS…

The stuff coming out of planes that lingers and forms clouds, is water vapor, the same as regular clouds.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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I am watching humans draw a line in the sky,
and daring other humans to cross it.
Are you willing to cross that line or back down?



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by IgnorantSpecies
 


From your own definition:

Chemtrails [kem-tray-els]
Noun
1. Fumes, vapours, chemicals, substances or agents which are sprayed or left by an aircraft in the air which do not evaporate immediately or form clouds.


Agricultural spraying, aerial firefighting, cloud seeding, and electronic counter measures DO NOT PRODUCE CLOUDS, and are therefore NOT CHEMTRAILS…

The stuff coming out of planes that lingers and forms clouds, is water vapor, the same as regular clouds.


You left out the 3.24 tons of co2 and is 1.24 tons of water, per ton of jet fuel, and soot and such.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:22 AM
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If a salesman walked up
knocked on my door told me he could turn 1 ton of kerosene
into 1.24 tons of water and I could sell this to public for a profit
with only a 3.24 ton CO2 byproduct
that other humans will line up, and be willing to pay a tax for.
I am going to jump on it,
aren,t you?



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
You left out the 3.24 tons of co2 and is 1.24 tons of water, per ton of jet fuel, and soot and such.

Please show me where you are getting these quantities from...
I can tell you that the water is not IN the kerosene, but is an external byproduct from burning in a humid environment. The water comes from the atmosphere itself, but condensates from the burning process.

You can test this yourself.
Take an empty can, put it in the freezer, then take it back out and heat it with a match or something. Condensation should form inside the can. Now does that mean that water was in the match?


How do you think that a still works, or a solar still?
I guess that according to your logic a solar still gets its water from the sun.
edit on 3/31/2012 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
You left out the 3.24 tons of co2 and is 1.24 tons of water, per ton of jet fuel, and soot and such.

Please show me where you are getting these volumes from...
I can tell you that the water is not IN the kerosene, but is an external byproduct from burning in a humid environment. The water comes from the atmosphere itself, but condensates from the burning process.

You can test this yourself.
Take an empty can, put it in the freezer, then take it back out and heat it with a match or something. Condensation should form inside the can. Now does that mean that water was in the match?


How do you think that a still works, or a solar still?
I guess that according to your logic a solar still gets its water from the sun.
edit on 3/31/2012 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)


This picture has been force fed to us as proof positive that contrails are harmless.
I always respond with how many chemicals do you see in this picture from
The Contrailers Bible
if you look at all chemtrail threads.




posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5

Originally posted by Gmoneycricket
You left out the 3.24 tons of co2 and is 1.24 tons of water, per ton of jet fuel, and soot and such.

Please show me where you are getting these quantities from...
I can tell you that the water is not IN the kerosene, but is an external byproduct from burning in a humid environment. The water comes from the atmosphere itself, but condensates from the burning process.

You can test this yourself.
Take an empty can, put it in the freezer, then take it back out and heat it with a match or something. Condensation should form inside the can. Now does that mean that water was in the match?


How do you think that a still works, or a solar still?
I guess that according to your logic a solar still gets its water from the sun.
edit on 3/31/2012 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)


By-products you say
like chemicals that might drift out the exhaust in a Chemtrail way.




posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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That’s not all from the fuel though.
The water is from the atmosphere itself.
Some of that is from the oil that is burning in the engine.
Some of it is from wear on the engine components themselves.
Much of it is normal emissions from burning ANY fossil fuel in ANY engine.

Oh, and BTW, jet gas IS essentially kerosene, the same as diesel. Diesel and JP are both Kerosene with different amounts of sulfur and other trace byproducts in it, then they add specific additives according to what it’s going to be used for.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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I am still waiting for someone to prove there is no chemicals in a contrail cloud.

And then explain why they can laugh and mock people
that say we should call them contrails when there is
chemtrails in the contrail cloud.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 


That’s not all from the fuel though.
The water is from the atmosphere itself.
Some of that is from the oil that is burning in the engine.
Some of it is from wear on the engine components themselves.
Much of it is normal emissions from burning ANY fossil fuel in ANY engine.

Oh, and BTW, jet gas IS essentially kerosene, the same as diesel. Diesel and JP are both Kerosene with different amounts of sulfur and other trace byproducts in it, then they add specific additives according to what it’s going to be used for.


I am fine with your answer you have admitted there is chemicals in a contrail cloud that some people call chemtrails and are made fun off because they understand there is chemicals in all clouds.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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Yeah, the same chemicals that comes out of the tailpipe of your car…
That’s called pollution, and no one denies that airplanes also generate it.
So why do we have to come up with a NEW name from something that already HAS a name.
Pollution…



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:02 AM
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POLLUTION DOES NOT MAKE THE PERSISTENT CLOUDS THAT CHEMTRAILERS CALL CHEMTRAILS...

Chemtrails [kem-tray-els]
Noun
1. Fumes, vapours, chemicals, substances or agents which are sprayed or left by an aircraft in the air which do not evaporate immediately or form clouds.
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posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:06 AM
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So now all that has to be proved is
there are no chemicals in clouds.

Chemical is the keyword
that is the first phase of chemtrail.

I will believe in chemtrails
unless someone can prove
there is no
such thing as chemicals.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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Water is a chemical, but that does not mean that the “chemtrail” conspiracy is true…
We give things names for reasons, do we really need to be making up new fictional ones for things that we already have defined?

The truth is that you’re trying to oversimplify the “chemtrail” debate here just to win an argument. You darn well know that what “chemtrailers” refer to as “chemtrails” is not water, or pollutants.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by Gmoneycricket
 


POLLUTION DOES NOT MAKE THE PERSISTENT CLOUDS THAT CHEMTRAILERS CALL CHEMTRAILS...

Chemtrails [kem-tray-els]
Noun
1. Fumes, vapours, chemicals, substances or agents which are sprayed or left by an aircraft in the air which do not evaporate immediately or form clouds.
edit on 3/31/2012 by defcon5 because: (no reason given)


That's fine you convinced yourself
I am fine with that.
I am allowed my believe, you yours.
I was forced to get a license ( to keep a stupid job) for emissions and what is called pollution,
do you have one?
I can give you the numbers and not break the TC of the site.
1132 Colorado
1482 Arizona



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:25 AM
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So I enjoy the abuse,
what would I know
3 computers, 5 hand held diag.
T1 and satellite link to Detroit.
I had more tools for emissions then most.



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:30 AM
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I have no idea what you’re talking about, but I will happily tell you what certifications I have.

I have been certified by a commercial airlines in all ramp operations and procedures, in fueling, in airline hazmat, and even firefighting.

Now riddle me this…

All the diesel ground service equipment that is on the ramp is fueled from the same pits that the aircraft are fueled from. All the tugs, paymovers, loaders, ground power units, and A/C units.

Why don’t they leave little “chemtrails” behind them while they are running around on the ramp out there?



posted on Mar, 31 2012 @ 02:32 AM
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With this thinking people will be trying to convince me
That ECM/PCM/BCM programing for law enforcement
can be programed at pepboy's by mani moe and jack.





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